Chris Judd v Luke Hodge

[Fastback]

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=270703

Look at the link on my second post.
Delusional.

As for this thread, both Hawthorn and St'Kilda fans should be spewing. Hodge and Ball 'aint half the player that Judd has developed into.
Al Clarkson and Ross Lyon would pull a hamstring running to the airport if WC were stupid enough to suggest a straight swap for either Ball or Hodge. Especially Hodge.

Pavlich would have looked good in black & white.

 

[9th Placed Finish]

And this is what i take issue with, there is absolutely no justification for this opinion other than total bias.

Not one supporter for any other club other than Hawthorn would want Hodge over Judd. Yet you persist with this ridiculous lie.

When you say you'd prefer Hodge over Judd, you are lying, you may very well have convinced yourself of this lie, but it is still a lie.

rJ do you regret taking Travis Johnstone ahead of Luke Power?

 

[Fastback]

No that's quite alright, I've already been cured, I know he's not a gun. Perhaps you should take your own advice though?

Those premierships and September action weren't within the last 14 years, were they? Oh, i guess not.

Over that time, Melbourne have done much more than Hawthorn, so I'm much happier barracking for the demons than I would be the Hawks.


Congratulations, you'll die before me - go team old fart!

I'll live past 50 fairweather - you'll be on the shortbreads and tomato soup by then, watching Sandy.

 

[rick James]

rJ do you regret taking Travis Johnstone ahead of Luke Power?

No but that's because Travis Johnstone is a better player than Luke Power.

 

[rick James]

I'll live past 50 fairweather - you'll be on the shortbreads and tomato soup by then, watching Sandy.

Fairweather? How so? I stopped following Collingwood the very year after they won a flag.

You're a real brain surgeon aren't you mate?

First you'd prefer Hodge to Judd, then you get confused over which team has done more in the last 14 years, and now you can't even understand insults that you're attempting to use against me?

Go back to school grampa.

 

[G.O.B]

Pavlich would have looked good in black & white.

Yeah, but I'll gladly admit that I would prefer Pavlich over Mckee and Danny Roach.
Hell, I'd prefer him over Josh and he's developing into quite a handy player in his own right.
He 'aint no Pav though just as Hodge 'aint no Judd.

 

[Fastback]

Fairweather? How so? I stopped following Collingwood the very year after they won a flag.

You're a real brain surgeon aren't you mate?

First you'd prefer Hodge to Judd, then you get confused over which team has done more in the last 14 years, and now you can't even understand insults that you're attempting to use against me?

Go back to school grampa.

"During my life time, and the period in which I've followed football (from about the age of 9 "

You were 9 in 1993 were you not?

Collingwood won in 1990.

Care to adjust some facts to suit your rantings again fairweather?

 

[9th Placed Finish]

No but that's because Travis Johnstone is a better player than Luke Power.

ROFLMFAO

How about 2 time Brownlow medallist Adam Goodes? He was taken after Johnstone as well, in fact 39 places after Travis. Bet Travis is better than him too?

If you still say Travis is better then you just confirm yourself as the biggest fool on here.

 

[Fastback]

Yeah, but I'll gladly admit that I would prefer Pavlich over Mckee and Danny Roach.
Hell, I'd prefer him over Josh and he's developing into quite a handy player in his own right.
He 'aint no Pav though just as Hodge 'aint no Judd.

agree entirely, but would you call it a recruiting blunder? I remember Fraser on the footy show before he started playing, Eddie was drooling - your club was very happy.

Hodge was AA half back in '05, he'll be an AA again - if he were polak then yep you'd have called it a recruiting blunder, but there are attributes Hodge has that Judd hasn't. Would love to see Judd in a bottom 4 side without the protection & midfield support he gets at WC.

 

[rick James]

"During my life time, and the period in which I've followed football (from about the age of 9 "

You were 9 in 1993 were you not?

Collingwood won in 1990.

Care to adjust some facts to suit your rantings again fairweather?

Mate, I said 'about the age of 9'. Notice the word about. For the record I was not 9 in 93.

I was 9 in 92. I started barracking for the demons in 91, when i was 8. About 9 years old, one less in fact.

Care to get an education or pay attention to detail yet?

 

[rick James]

ROFLMFAO

How about 2 time Brownlow medallist Adam Goodes? He was taken after Johnstone as well, in fact 39 places after Travis. Bet Travis is better than him too?

If you still say Travis is better then you just confirm yourself as the biggest fool on here.

Of course I'd rather Goodes than Johnstone, but it isn't in the same league - every team had two chances at Goodes.

And yet, I can still admit I wish Melbourne had of taken Goodes ahead of Johnstone, even though it isn't nearly the blunder of taking Hodge over Judd.

The only fools are those who let bias cloud their honest appraisal of their clubs mistakes. It's also the reason the Hawthorn Football Club can get away with running a once successful club into the ground - because they never get made accountable by the members.

BTW - Johnstone is a better player than Power.

 

[Fastback]

Mate, I said 'about the age of 9'. Notice the word about. For the record I was not 9 in 93.

I was 9 in 92. I started barracking for the demons in 91, when i was 8. About 9 years old, one less in fact.

Care to get an education or pay attention to detail yet?

If yr 23 on Feb 4 2007 then you were 6 on Feb 4 1990, when I assume, you started following footy (as this was the year Coll won their last flag)

basic maths my friend - It's ok I believe you, just looked like BS when you mentioned Collingwood (1990).

 

[Fastback]

Of course I'd rather Goodes than Johnstone, but it isn't in the same league - every team had two chances at Goodes.

And yet, I can still admit I wish Melbourne had of taken Goodes ahead of Johnstone, even though it isn't nearly the blunder of taking Hodge over Judd.

The only fools are those who let bias cloud their honest appraisal of their clubs mistakes. It's also the reason the Hawthorn Football Club can get away with running a once successful club into the ground - because they never get made accountable by the members.

BTW - Johnstone is a better player than Power.

Even in hindsight it wasn't a blunder, had we selected Polak then yep - but Hodge is good enough to warrant this a non issue.

Is Judd a better player than Hodge - at the moment you'd say yes.

Is Hodge better suited for Hawthorn given our need for stability across half back - Yes.

Do I care that we didn't get Judd - no.

Am I over this thread - Yes.

 

[Fastback]

Of course I'd rather Goodes than Johnstone, but it isn't in the same league - every team had two chances at Goodes.

And yet, I can still admit I wish Melbourne had of taken Goodes ahead of Johnstone, even though it isn't nearly the blunder of taking Hodge over Judd.

The only fools are those who let bias cloud their honest appraisal of their clubs mistakes. It's also the reason the Hawthorn Football Club can get away with running a once successful club into the ground - because they never get made accountable by the members.

BTW - Johnstone is a better player than Power.

Running the club where, into the ground? - explain this one.

How's the rugby/soccer pitch training facility negotiations going with the Victory and Storm? Looks like the junction oval for a few years yet...

 

[Mr Lizard]

hahahaha I thought he had given up.


How can you be happy to have been following Melbourne rick? How do you class what they have been doing as 'successful'? How does it feel to be the only team to lose to Freo in the finals? How much longer do you give Neale Daniher?

Luke Hodge is an all-Australian, rick, not a blunder. How many all-Australian teams has Travis Johnstone been picked for?

 

[9th Placed Finish]

Of course I'd rather Goodes than Johnstone, but it isn't in the same league - every team had two chances at Goodes.

And yet, I can still admit I wish Melbourne had of taken Goodes ahead of Johnstone, even though it isn't nearly the blunder of taking Hodge over Judd.

The only fools are those who let bias cloud their honest appraisal of their clubs mistakes. It's also the reason the Hawthorn Football Club can get away with running a once successful club into the ground - because they never get made accountable by the members.

BTW - Johnstone is a better player than Power.

Much like a Demons fan honestly thinking that Johnstone is a better player than Luke Power.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

And this is what i take issue with, there is absolutely no justification for this opinion other than total bias.

Not one supporter for any other club other than Hawthorn would want Hodge over Judd. Yet you persist with this ridiculous lie.

When you say you'd prefer Hodge over Judd, you are lying, you may very well have convinced yourself of this lie, but it is still a lie.

You really don't get it , do you.

Why can't you get it through your head that we don't want Judd. The draft is done, finished, history.
Hodge may have only been able to show his wares in 2005 but it was enough for most people to realise he is a gun and wasn't that far behind Judd. His injury riddled 2006 changed all that,....well, at least here on BF.

He was taken with pick 1 because he represented a lesser risk. He has shown time and again that he was a great pick up, and it matters not what Judd has achieved, for it is history. We could swap them tomorrow, but Judd still has the dodgy shoulders, and they could come to the fore in two months time, who knows, who cares...we have Hodge and are happy.

Hodge is now entrenched in our club, he is one of us, maybe you don't get it, but Hodge is Hawthorn. Wouldn't swap him for the world.
The sooner you come to grips with it the better.

 

[Raffa04]

Chris Judd was drafted into a bottom 4 side. From the moment he played his first game we've been on the rise. As it stands Judd is in the elite bracket of the AFL. Luke Hodge isn't even in the top 20 players in the league.

 

[mick ryan]

Hodge-good/very good player who will get better.
Judd-one of those rare specially gifted players that dont come along very often.
1 on 1 - no comparison, like champagne and vinegar wine.

 

[kane249]

agree entirely, but would you call it a recruiting blunder? I remember Fraser on the footy show before he started playing, Eddie was drooling - your club was very happy.

Hodge was AA half back in '05, he'll be an AA again - if he were polak then yep you'd have called it a recruiting blunder, but there are attributes Hodge has that Judd hasn't. Would love to see Judd in a bottom 4 side without the protection & midfield support he gets at WC.

At the time of drafting, Hawthorn were a top 4 team, the Eagles were a bottom 4 team (Hence the priority draft pick)

Since the draft Hawthorn became a bottom 4 team with Hodge, Eagles became a top 4 team with Judd

Go figure

Hehe but anyway the Eagles were a shambles and were rebuilding before Worsfold/Judd stepped in and reignited the place

 

[F-U]

I think the problem with Luke Hodge atm is his clear hate of the Hawthorn football club. Hes done everything under his control to avoid being captain besides killing himself and he really is only there to pick up his pay cheque.

Would Hodge be a better player if he played for a team he cared about? Maybe but when you have a severe lack of ambition like Hodge we all know the answer to this question will never be found out

 

[rick James]

Hes done everything under his control to avoid being captain besides killing himself

With Hawthorn's history of giving players such as Jon Hay and Nathan Thompson mental illnesses, this could become a very real possibility.

At least Jeff is there though, he should be able to point Hodgey in the right direction.

 

[F-U]

With Hawthorn's history of giving players such as Jon Hay and Nathan Thompson mental illnesses, this could become a very real possibility.

At least Jeff is there though, he should be able to point Hodgey in the right direction.

Tasmania?

 

[JohnD]

Thank god for Jeff.

 

[Fastback]

I think the problem with Luke Hodge atm is his clear hate of the Hawthorn football club. Hes done everything under his control to avoid being captain besides killing himself and he really is only there to pick up his pay cheque.

Would Hodge be a better player if he played for a team he cared about? Maybe but when you have a severe lack of ambition like Hodge we all know the answer to this question will never be found out

like Cousins?...err no.