Chris Tarrant Vs Aaron Hamill

[Zeke]

Tarrant is much maligned amongst the AFL community, for many and varied reasons - some justified, others not.

Some comments by a deluded peanut in another thread prompted me to have a look at the comparitive careers of Tarrant and the widely regarded Aaron Hamill. The results were interesting, to say the least.

Over the course of their respective careers, Chris has taken more marks, kicked more goals, given away less free kicks and been a more productive forward in general terms. Hamill has him covered in handballs and tackles, which says that Sammy spends more time chasing his opponent than beating his opponent. The marks and goals stats back that up, too.

I went through the records and discovered that Tarrant has been more productive than Hamill in every single season bar one, his debut season. Hamill earns more, is injured more but contributes less.

There are two possible conclusions.

1. Chris Tarrant is an unfairly underrated footballer.

2. Aaron Hamill is a hugely overrated footballer.

 

[skipper kelly]

turn it up

 

[garth p]

Tarrant is much maligned amongst the AFL community, for many and varied reasons - some justified, others not.

Some comments by a deluded peanut in another thread prompted me to have a look at the comparitive careers of Tarrant and the widely regarded Aaron Hamill. The results were interesting, to say the least.

Over the course of their respective careers, Chris has taken more marks, kicked more goals, given away less free kicks and been a more productive forward in general terms. Hamill has him covered in handballs and tackles, which says that Sammy spends more time chasing his opponent than beating his opponent. The marks and goals stats back that up, too.

I went through the records and discovered that Tarrant has been more productive than Hamill in every single season bar one, his debut season. Hamill earns more, is injured more but contributes less.

There are two possible conclusions.

1. Chris Tarrant is an unfairly underrated footballer.

2. Aaron Hamill is a hugely overrated footballer.

no this is a case of the perception we all have of both of them is more accurate tha the statistics. Sammy is a class act. Tarrant is a tosser.


Having said that , this lastest garbage is just that . Garbage.

Two guys out on the ****s get into a fight. big deal.

 

[Zeke]

Sammy is a class act. Tarrant is a tosser.

That may or may not be the case, either way Tarrant is the better performed footballer over the course of his career.

 

[lcmfc]

no this is a case of the perception we all have of both of them is more accurate tha the statistics. Sammy is a class act. Tarrant is a tosser.


Having said that , this lastest garbage is just that . Garbage.

Two guys out on the ****s get into a fight. big deal.

hamil is not a class act. it was 1920 when he played his last game. he is just there to add a bit of toughness into a pretty soft side. while i think he is good and there is no doubt he is hand for the saints to have, lets not call him a 'class act'

 

[Boris_Bewick]

Another thread where everyone disagrees against Collingwood supporters.

Not based on statistics, which is your specialty Zeke, but I would rather a fully fit Hamill than a fully fit Tarrant anyday.

 

[LongBomb]

Both are incredibly overrated. Tarrant more so.

 

[Zeke]

I would rather a fully fit Hamill than a fully fit Tarrant anyday.

Well that's just silly.

You'd prefer the less productive player? Would be a good option for you 2nd consecutive season of tanking, I suppose.

 

[itsintheblood]

Gimme a fit Hamill over a pea heart tarrant any day of the week thanks.

 

[Cynic]

Apples & Oranges.

Most of Hamill's importance on the footy field comes from his presence and leadership that is required at a club such as St.Kilda.

 

[lcmfc]

It's fantastic that you have an opinon but you failed to address the statistic.

Richo's best in a season 91, the year after coming of a serious knee reco.

Tarrant and Rocca's career best season's are??

if we are going to dwell on the past, tarrant battled a knee injury last year and being the only key forward playing was double and triple teamed every week. tarrant is an all australian only a couple of years ago.
rocca and tarrant share it around, so richo probably has a better score in one year. he is the only one up there. so he should kick more

 

[Polo_14]

if we are going to dwell on the past, tarrant battled a knee injury last year and being the only key forward playing was double and triple teamed every week. tarrant is an all australian only a couple of years ago.
rocca and tarrant share it around, so richo probably has a better score in one year. he is the only one up there. so he should kick more

Fair enough point.

 

[Boris_Bewick]

Where's your off the ball pressure stats?
His tackling stats are better, not because of your pathetic excuse that he chases his opponent. It's because he has a better work ethic. Apart from being very different players, Tarrant is purely a leading player, Hamill isn't used that way much at all, he is a more in close hard at it player while the leading is left to Riewoldt or even G-Train.

I don't think it's silly at all. How can you honestly say that because of career stats accumulated on a piece of paper (which by the way aren't that different anyway) that Tarrant is more productive.
Hamill anyday

 

[Freeeoo]

One's a quitter, head-dropper, selfish, soft prima-dona who needs his captain to pat him on the bum all the way through the game so he does'nt cry and spit the dummy.

The other consistently does the team thing, gets the hard ball, clears a path for his team mates, chases hard to lock the ball in the forward line and has courage in abundance.

I'll let you work out which is which.

 

[lcmfc]

Where's your off the ball pressure stats?
His tackling stats are better, not because of your pathetic excuse that he chases his opponent. It's because he has a better work ethic. Apart from being very different players, Tarrant is purely a leading player, Hamill isn't used that way much at all, he is a more in close hard at it player while the leading is left to Riewoldt or even G-Train.

I don't think it's silly at all. How can you honestly say that because of career stats accumulated on a piece of paper (which by the way aren't that different anyway) that Tarrant is more productive.
Hamill anyday

i dont think the 2 can be compared fairly to be honest. totally different footballers.

 

[RogerRabbit69]

If you're selective enough, you can use stats to say pretty much whatever you want them to.

 

[The Fireman]

Gimme a fit Hamill over a pea heart tarrant any day of the week thanks.

Have a cigar.

 

[lcmfc]

If you're selective enough, you can use stats to say pretty much whatever you want them to.

stats dont mean stuff all now though. its hard to compare. all i want is adelaide to win the flag if collingwood cant cos a put heaps of money on them before the season started!! paying pretty well around then too!

 

[MarkT]

If you're selective enough, you can use stats to say pretty much whatever you want them to.

To a point that is true. Throwing the Stats out the window, Hamil doesn’t play enough and doesn’t do enough when he does play to be anywhere near an elite player. Tarrant plays enough but doesn’t do enough often enough. Hamil does more of the 1%’rs as they are called but Tarrant does more of the spectacular. Neither have earned their money this year. Tarrant was injured all of last year and started off this season well but has fallen away. Hamil has just not been able top play enough consecutive footy to get anywhere for a long time. You need to do more than 1%’rs to be a good player.

Most of Hamill's importance on the footy field comes from his presence and leadership that is required at a club such as St.Kilda.

Not any more. If that is still the case they have problems given it has been a major focus for the entirety of the coach’s time at the club. Personally I think Hamil has passed his use by at St. Kilda. They wouldn’t trade him but they could do a lot worse than try and get a good draft pick from someone like The Dog’s and free up some cap space.

 

[lcmfc]

One's a quitter, head-dropper, selfish, soft prima-dona who needs his captain to pat him on the bum all the way through the game so he does'nt cry and spit the dummy.

The other consistently does the team thing, gets the hard ball, clears a path for his team mates, chases hard to lock the ball in the forward line and has courage in abundance.

I'll let you work out which is which.

Lets not make this about a j farmer and p medhurst. they bring new meaning to the word selfish. see how much better freo play without medhurst. just need to get rid of farmer and they will be right

 

[Ari]

Zeke doing what he does best.

Stats are a poor mans arguement.

 

[Bollox]

Yeah sorry...in many cases stats are selctive and lie....this is another one.

A fit Hammil will deliver much more to a team than a fit Tarrant.

Neither are part of the elite...but nothing wrong with that...both are QUALITY afl standard forwards simply not part of the elite.

Both cop a lot of shyt....but Hammil gives added value...brute force, locks the ball in the fwd line....can play a variety of positions IF NEEDED...plus a biggy...LEADERSHIP on the field.

Been a lot of bagging of injured players lately....ppl have short memories too....Hammil is a quality AFL player when fit...neither can be considered elite but u dont get many of those....CONTRIBUTION and 100% EFFORT...HAMMIL.

 

[Zeke]

A fit Hammil will deliver much more to a team than a fit Tarrant.

Based on what?

 

[The Fireman]

Based on what?

On ticker alone.

PS I hope you could read that

 

[Grimreepah]

Tarrant is a team-oriented player that does the one percenters, can lift the team when they are down, leads by example and plays well under pressure. He is also very consistent.

Did anyone buy that?