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Christopher Pyne!!!

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I was one of the first to brand Pyne an arseclown and rightly so, but this last few days it has become obvious he has pressing mental issue which will make it impossible for even Abbott to continue to employ him in any ministerial capacity. I am second guessing, I would hate to cast aspersions over the mentally ill.
Who will be given the onerous task of replacing him?
He was obviously in the cabinet to draw attention from the less competent ministers, but I cannot pin point anyone capable of the "overt" idiocy or "over the top camp" to play "court jester" to Abbott's "mad monk".

Who's in the frame?
 
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We had a past Labor PM who had a mental illness, so it's acceptable it seems.
 
I must be missing something,

HECS will remain but kiddies might have to pay back more? What is the big deal, might make them select which course to study more carefully...maybe one where they might be employed sometime into the future.
 
SEN_Fan said:
I must be missing something,

HECS will remain but kiddies might have to pay back more? What is the big deal, might make them select which course to study more carefully...maybe one where they might be employed sometime into the future.
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I didnt know you needed a degree to go & dig coal?
 
SEN_Fan said:
I must be missing something,

HECS will remain but kiddies might have to pay back more? What is the big deal, might make them select which course to study more carefully...maybe one where they might be employed sometime into the future.
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Might make it impossible for a large number of kids to pursue the area of study (leading onto the career) that they want due to financial constraints.

We could end up with a US type model where there are now students lumped with massive debt in the hope of getting into that career they want or students who simply will never get the chance to study what they want because it isn't viable.

Good education should be something anyone from any walk of life should have the access to if they are willing to learn (like doing well in high school), not something that should depend upon mummy and daddy being loaded with coin or a student taking on a large debt in the hope they'll get a job in a desired field (which would be ludicrous) given the current struggles of students getting jobs out of uni....
 

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nbaman1 said:
Might make it impossible for a large number of kids to pursue the area of study (leading onto the career) that they want due to financial constraints.

We could end up with a US type model where there are now students lumped with massive debt in the hope of getting into that career they want or students who simply will never get the chance to study what they want because it isn't viable.

Good education should be something anyone from any walk of life should have the access to if they are willing to learn (like doing well in high school), not something that should depend upon mummy and daddy being loaded with coin or a student taking on a large debt in the hope they'll get a job in a desired field (which would be ludicrous) given the current struggles of students getting jobs out of uni....
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HECS still remains, you still pay zero upfront? Struggling to see how parents mean anything. Those with less wealthy parents still get support from Centrelink? more so than the 'rick kids'.

If too many people want to study something with limited career potential then either price or grades need to move people onto different fields of study. The problem with so many unemployed graduates is they are studying junk degrees with no employment prospects. Something needs to be done. Places need to be linked directly to industry, either way will result in less people going to uni. Uni is not the be all and end all in life like some have you believe.
I wonder how many HECs debts are never paid back.

By making the cost of uni something kiddies actually think about we might get better quality graduates that will get jobs.
 
SEN_Fan said:
HECS still remains, you still pay zero upfront? Struggling to see how parents mean anything. Those with less wealthy parents still get support from Centrelink? more so than the 'rick kids'.

If too many people want to study something with limited career potential then either price or grades need to move people onto different fields of study. The problem with so many unemployed graduates is they are studying junk degrees with no employment prospects. Something needs to be done. Places need to be linked directly to industry, either way will result in less people going to uni. Uni is not the be all and end all in life like some have you believe.
I wonder how many HECs debts are never paid back.

By making the cost of uni something kiddies actually think about we might get better quality graduates that will get jobs.
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In the US student loan debt is a problem, they aren't paying it back.
There was one senator (thing it was Wang) who mentioned it when he voted down the bill - that he had concerns fee deregulation would result in a budget blow out. This has been the case in the US. I agree we need to do something, but the US system is a debacle. Our current system is also a debacle.
 
nbaman1 said:
Might make it impossible for a large number of kids to pursue the area of study (leading onto the career) that they want due to financial constraints.

We could end up with a US type model where there are now students lumped with massive debt in the hope of getting into that career they want or students who simply will never get the chance to study what they want because it isn't viable.

Good education should be something anyone from any walk of life should have the access to if they are willing to learn (like doing well in high school), not something that should depend upon mummy and daddy being loaded with coin or a student taking on a large debt in the hope they'll get a job in a desired field (which would be ludicrous) given the current struggles of students getting jobs out of uni....
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The best universities in the world charge market rates what Pyne is trying to do is lift ANU, Uni and Syd/Melbourne etc in to elite universities. If you want to pay less you go to the other unis.
 
Qsaint said:
The best universities in the world charge market rates what Pyne is trying to do is lift ANU, Uni and Syd/Melbourne etc in to elite universities. If you want to pay less you go to the other unis.
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The problem with that is that not all Universities offer all the same degrees.

I use the example of librarianship.

Had I been successful in getting that when I attempted to do it from 2001, I would have needed a Bachelor Of information Management and Systems (only 4 Universities in Australia offer it - RMIT, Monash Caulfield, Charles Sturt and Edith Cowan) and then completed a Master Of Information Management and Systems (also only offered at the 4 unis listed above).

I was also paying full fee out of my own pocket. It sent me broke.
 
Qsaint said:
The best universities in the world charge market rates what Pyne is trying to do is lift ANU, Uni and Syd/Melbourne etc in to elite universities. If you want to pay less you go to the other unis.
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Yes, making them unaffordable for most will improve the outcomes...
 

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Qsaint said:
The best universities in the world charge market rates what Pyne is trying to do is lift ANU, Uni and Syd/Melbourne etc in to elite universities. If you want to pay less you go to the other unis.
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They also receive fantastical levels of government funding.

Not to mention offer a wide range of scholarships, though only a few charge "market rate". Australian universities are already some of the more expensive internationally. For example if you are a Californian and go to Berkley, your debt would be significantly less than a current Australian student in the sciences.

Deregulation also does not equal better education. Standards would decline for the majority and probably be par for group of eight unis as revenue increases will be eaten up by research budgets.
 
Lunchlady Doris said:
Yes, making them unaffordable for most will improve the outcomes...
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How is it unaffordable, as repeatedly stated HECs will still pay for it?

University graduates should not be subsidised by other tax pages 75% of their degree.

The group of 8 wants this
 
Play by Numbers said:
They also receive fantastical levels of government funding.

Not to mention offer a wide range of scholarships, though only a few charge "market rate". Australian universities are already some of the more expensive internationally. For example if you are a Californian and go to Berkley, your debt would be significantly less than a current Australian student in the sciences.

Deregulation also does not equal better education. Standards would decline for the majority and probably be par for group of eight unis as revenue increases will be eaten up by research budgets.
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Berkeley is 13k a year for more or less an arts degree and is an exception to the rule
 
Qsaint said:
How is it unaffordable, as repeatedly stated HECs will still pay for it?

University graduates should not be subsidised by other tax pages 75% of their degree.

The group of 8 wants this
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Why should only the opinions of the vice-chancellors be allowed to carry the day?

Maybe it's high time student union bodies be consulted on such issues..after all it their memberships that have to wear any changes.
 

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