Strategy Clanger Statistics

[V for Valazer]

Looking at the team averages for clangers since 2010 we have been:-
2010 6th
2011 4th
2012 2nd
2013 4th
2014 4th
2015 1st
2016 1st
2017 3rd
2018 4th
How is this addressed?

 

[Chrizzt]

If you look at clanger differentials in the Stinkley era:
2018 11th
2017 5th
2016 1st
2015 4th
2014 8th
2013 5th

Clearly early on our woeful kicking was costly. This year we tried to correct that with safe kicking behind play (multiple switches etc) and high pressure on the ball forcing oppo clangers, which reduced the clanger differential. Looks like the coaches knew they couldn't improve the skill of players to negate our clangers, so we just tried to force the oppo to have more clangers than us. From that respect it worked, with the slight negative side effect of completely negating our ability to move the ball forward and kick goals.

But #marginalgains hey?

 

[Amarula]

IIRC we were either worst or second worst for opposition scoring from our turnovers too.
So not only did we do a lot of clangers, the clangers we did were very costly too.
If it's right, did this influence Ken et al to opt for low risk ball movement to try to limit the damage?

 

[Waspy79]

Stevic, Nicholls McInerny and Co certainly don't help our clanger counts.

 

[Doctor Feel]

The sound of us playing football:

CLANG

 

[V for Valazer]

The sound of us playing football:

CLANG

 

[Doctor Feel]

The sound of us playing football:

CLANG

lmao this was my 50,000 post.

 

[Macca19]

We just got rid of 2 blokes who were shocking at turnovers leading to goals/scoring shots so that might help

 

[V for Valazer]

We just got rid of 2 blokes who were shocking at turnovers leading to goals/scoring shots so that might help

Looking at career averages, Wines and Boak average more turnovers and clangers than Polec and Pittard. A large part of that is them being more inside and under more pressure. But I think the rot starts on the inside. Hoping we draft some good on ball users!

 

[Port85]

We've been terrible at kicking for a very, very, very long time, and it's never really been addressed.

Also, we are up there with the most stoppages in the AFL (by choice) due to both the narrowness of Adelaide Oval and wanting to take advantage of a dominant ruck and lost of stoppages result in our mids hoofing the ball forward.

Thirdly, our tactics of playing it "safe" essentially focus in our default fall back option being a long kick to a contest up the line. If old mates Rance, McGovern etc float across the contest and take a mark, I assume that counts as a clanger. So that will also have to change to reduce the clanger count.

 

[Power Raid]

Looking at the team averages for clangers since 2010 we have been:-
2010 6th
2011 4th
2012 2nd
2013 4th
2014 4th
2015 1st
2016 1st
2017 3rd
2018 4th
How is this addressed?

losing pittard will help
parking up boak would also help

 

[El_Scorcho]

Everyone looks like a bad kick when they don't know have an intuitive and effective system to move the ball.

Look at prime Hawthorn. They could have moved the ball from fullback to within scoring range blindfolded, such was the reliability of their system of ball movement. Every player knew where the options would be when he got the ball. The entire team was coached to move the defence around and create space. Other teams have employed overlap run and handball to break lines.

We do none of these things.

Fix the system and our worst kicks will look like superstars.

 

[Dav]

Clangers aren't necessarily glaringly obvious bad kicks, most clangers are hurried kicks out of the pack. Any kick that directly ends up in the possession of the opposition, as long as the kicker wasn't being tackled, is a clanger (I did calling for Champion Data as reference). So I think our main reason behind so many clangers is just having such a stoppage-heavy game.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

So we've been top 4 every year since 2011? Nice

 

[Doctor Feel]

So we've been top 4 every year since 2011? Nice

And yet we don't employ a kicking coach (though we do employ some dude who looks at the biomechanics of kicking I guess), and have only just started to move on a few offenders.

 

[TeeKray]

Everyone looks like a bad kick when they don't know have an intuitive and effective system to move the ball.

Look at prime Hawthorn. They could have moved the ball from fullback to within scoring range blindfolded, such was the reliability of their system of ball movement. Every player knew where the options would be when he got the ball. The entire team was coached to move the defence around and create space. Other teams have employed overlap run and handball to break lines.

We do none of these things.

Fix the system and our worst kicks will look like superstars.

Case in point, Pittard. His natural game was completely stifled by our system to the point where in two years he went from All Australian squad member to potato that we offloaded for free and are paying to play against us next year. He'll probably be a good player at North because when he takes the game on and opens up space he'll probably see a couple of options up field to kick the football to for a change.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Case in point, Pittard. His natural game was completely stifled by our system to the point where in two years he went from All Australian squad member to potato that we offloaded for free and are paying to play against us next year. He'll probably be a good player at North because when he takes the game on and opens up space he'll probably see a couple of options up field to kick the football to for a change.

I've explained to my North supporting mates that Pittard could potentially be the bigger pickup than Polec for this exact reason. Imagine a system where he's encouraged and supported in breaking lines and kicking long to a big leading forward who the gameplan is designed to make space for.

 

[Willsy10]

Back to back clanger premiers in 2015 & 2016, why didn't we print t shirts.

 

[V for Valazer]

Case in point, Pittard. His natural game was completely stifled by our system to the point where in two years he went from All Australian squad member to potato that we offloaded for free and are paying to play against us next year. He'll probably be a good player at North because when he takes the game on and opens up space he'll probably see a couple of options up field to kick the football to for a change.

I find this debate happens in soccer more than footy; does the head coach/manager adapt the players to their system or do you adapt the system to the players? The high turnover of players/managers in soccer per season usually means the former.
On the back of Polec's recent comments, it seems we are trying to implement a system to a group that it doesn't suit and this strategy ain’t working.