Clanger stats

[strobe00]

--- Folks who hate stats... avert your eyes ---

For those interested in statistical stuff... a table I put together to look at clangers, and how many of a given player's kicks end up in the clanger basket. The kick and clanger numbers are per-game, so the percentages can be a bit uglier (or better) for players that have done poorly (or well) over only a couple of games.

Can see why our rucks tend not to kick it much. And also checked the stats of a couple of blokes I was particularly interested in, versus the average for other guys that usually play at the same end.

 

[clogged]

Funny cause Clancee's nickname is Clanger.

 

[sij1981]

As a forward thats fine in the forward line shows we are getting the ball of concern is defenders clangers and midfield ones

 

[TheMcManusNose]

What's the sample? Career at Freo or this year?

Edit: Oh right this year, never mind.

 

[UFO Tatsu]

are the clanger stats purely from kicks? i think on a whole, we have been defending poorer than last year

 

[Bender571]

I think you're confusing clanger kicks with clangers. Your clanger kicks stat seems to correlate with footywires clanger stats. Clangers are more than just bad kicks.

 

[UFO Tatsu]

I think you're confusing clanger kicks with clangers. Your clanger kicks stat seems to correlate with footywires clanger stats. Clangers are more than just bad kicks.

so if he adds all disposals that would fix the spreadsheet? and it would explain why zac is so high, since he handballs most of the time

 

[yakamoto]

How exactly is a clanger defined?

 

[Bender571]

so if he adds all disposals that would fix the spreadsheet? and it would explain why zac is so high, since he handballs most of the time

I think it's more than just handballs as well. Stuff like dropped mark, frees against, etc can also count as clanger.

Just to show my earlier point Brodie Grundy averages 5 clangers a game but only kicks it 3.5 times a game, he also concedes 3.3 free against

 

[Righteo]

That's our Zac. Actually find it surprising, I thought most of his kicks are just bombs to contests, he's smart enough not to try pin point any inside defence at least.

 

[UFO Tatsu]

I think it's more than just handballs as well. Stuff like dropped mark, frees against, etc can also count as clanger.

Just to show my earlier point Brodie Grundy averages 5 clangers a game but only kicks it 3.5 times a game, he also concedes 3.3 free against

if you added all disposals, you could technically calculate a player's "inefficiency" rating. Anything more than 100% means that he clangers (if there is such a word) more than he disposes.

But like with any stats, it only shows part of the picture and never the whole thing.

 

[Seppo]

How exactly is a clanger defined?

Something like this:
- Kicks which result in an uncontested possession to the opposition
- Handballs which result in an uncontested possession to the opposition, when the handballer is not under direct pressure
- Free kicks given away when in possession
- 50m penalties
- Dropped uncontested marks which result in loss of possession

 

[yakamoto]

What about concussing a team mate?

 

[Scatter]

How exactly is a clanger defined?

This is what I would like to know also. Is it a kick that goes direct to the opposition or out on the full?
What if it is a kick to a leading forward and it bounces in front of them, so it technically advantages them, but really it should have hit them on the chest. We would moan that it wasn't a good kick, but is it not a clangar because it is still to the teammates advantage?

 

[twarby]

are the clanger stats purely from kicks? i think on a whole, we have been defending poorer than last year

right you are, "clanger kicks" are basically turnovers by foot, the worst teams average high teens, the best ~14.

OP is using clangers which = many different things highlighted a few posts above mine.

you aren't getting access to players individual clanger kicks unless you know someone at champion data.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Something like this:
- Kicks which result in an uncontested possession to the opposition
- Handballs which result in an uncontested possession to the opposition, when the handballer is not under direct pressure
- Free kicks given away when in possession
- 50m penalties
- Dropped uncontested marks which result in loss of possession

I am pretty sure a long kick (40m +) to a 50/50 contest is not a clanger, but one under 40m not to a team mate is.

Inside mid's would get a lot more clanger than outside mid's.

Also clanger's include free kicks against, so the percentage of clanger's to free kick does not really work especially for Dawson who probably gives away 2 free kicks a game. If you did on possessions including handballs then it would be reasonable.

 

[Seppo]

Champion_Data can you clarify the "Clanger Stat" once again? (I know you have in the past but I can't find the post)

 

[strobe00]

I think you're confusing clanger kicks with clangers. Your clanger kicks stat seems to correlate with footywires clanger stats. Clangers are more than just bad kicks.

That's news to me. I thought clangers were kicks by definition? And yep... footywire clangers is where it came from.

Are they not? Would make sense, because the rucks and Dawson (high handballers) come out looking pretty ugly.

Will rework the table with disposals as the divisor if you (or someone else) is able to confirm?

 

[strobe00]

right you are, "clanger kicks" are basically turnovers by foot, the worst teams average high teens, the best ~14.

OP is using clangers which = many different things highlighted a few posts above mine.

you aren't getting access to players individual clanger kicks unless you know someone at champion data.

Righto. I don't, so I've misunderstood. Will rejig the table. Cheers for the feedback.

 

[Champion_Data]

Champion_Data can you clarify the "Clanger Stat" once again? (I know you have in the past but I can't find the post)

50m Penalties
Frees Against
Disposal and Kick-in Clangers (Direct Turnovers)
Kick-in Error (Step over line)
Dropped Mark (Uncontested only)
No Pressure Error (eg. Fumbling a ball when in the open, losing possession after trying to have a bounce, ...)

For the record we rarely look at Clangers as a meaningful stat. The current top-5 should tell you why.
30 - Brodie Grundy
28 - Dion Prestia
27 - Steve Johnson
26 - Josh Kennedy (Syd)
26 - Gary Ablett

 

[im_a_lazy_sod]

50m Penalties
Frees Against
Disposal and Kick-in Clangers (Direct Turnovers)
Kick-in Error (Step over line)
Dropped Mark (Uncontested only)
No Pressure Error (eg. Fumbling a ball when in the open, losing possession after trying to have a bounce, ...)

For the record we rarely look at Clangers as a meaningful stat. The current top-5 should tell you why.
30 - Brodie Grundy
28 - Dion Prestia
27 - Steve Johnson
26 - Josh Kennedy (Syd)
26 - Gary Ablett

Excellent. Zac Dawson is better than Ablett. I've always though this. Guy is a champ!

 

[clogged]

For the record we rarely look at Clangers as a meaningful stat. The current top-5 should tell you why.
30 - Brodie Grundy
28 - Dion Prestia
27 - Steve Johnson
26 - Josh Kennedy (Syd)
26 - Gary Ablett

Thanks for this. The anti-Fyfe brigade need to take note.

 

[UFO Tatsu]

Thanks for this. The anti-Fyfe brigade need to take note.

so does that mean clangerfield is also off the table as well?

 

[clogged]

so does that mean clangerfield is also off the table as well?

No. Dangerfield is a one way footballer.

 

[strobe00]

Following the feedback above (and thanks for that)... having butchered my earlier attempt at providing something statistical to discuss, here is the rejigged attempt.

Considering that the following items count as Clangers (cheers Seppo and Champion_Data ), providing them as a percentage of disposals doesn't make a heap of sense (as you don't get them all via disposals). So I converted the stat to a ratio of disposals to clangers. Even if the stat doesn't turn out to be particularly useful, at least it's less misleading than using a percentage.
- 50m Penalties
- Frees Against
- Disposal and Kick-in Clangers (Direct Turnovers)
- Kick-in Error (Step over line)
- Dropped Mark (Uncontested only)
- No Pressure Error (eg. Fumbling a ball when in the open, losing possession after trying to have a bounce, ...)