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We are playing terrible football but it starts with these 2 fellows, would there be any worse ruckmen playing at the minute then what's these 2 guys are putting out? Clarke has been appalling for a number of years now and think his knees have largely contributed to his growth and confidence as a footballer because a number of years back he looked real promising and Griffin since his knee recon has never been the same. So we have Sandy but he is really getting long in the tooth but may still be good for 1/2 years.

As important as it is to get a forward, it is also vital to draft a young tall ruckman type to develop, if we don't we are going to have serious issues in a few years. We need to get talls and quite a few of them, forget about this "best available highest ranked player” if he isn't a tall, we have enough midfielders.

Our first target is a CHF, targeting Hogan is a priority but I would only give our first draft pick and nothing more (it’s likely to be very high), we can’t afford to give away our picks especially if we get low picks, we need them for drafting, I would only part with our third pick for McCarthy which is still likely to be a low pick.

We then also need to get a key tall back man in the draft. So our priority in the draft should be 1. CHF (Hogan or draft a young tall) 2. Ruckman (draft) 3. FFW (McCarthy or draft a young tall) 4. A key FB to be drafted.

Our first 4 picks should be for the best talls in the draft discounted only by 2 if we land Hogan & McCarthy. It wouldn’t hurt to get an extra 1 or 2 more though, especially if they have speed and get to join Fyfe as a tall midfield option.

McCarthy (only 192cm) is really only a Gunston/Stringer type full forward but we still need a bigger stronger option at CHF like Hogan.

Once all our injured players return ,we can built a strong team once again, hopefully in a very short period of time….starting next year :-)

The main subject in this thread is that we need to develop a new ruckman just as important as it to get Hogan or similar.
 
The last couple of years there have been quite a few ruckman floating around that would have been a better option than Clarke - Grundy, Jamar, Daw, Giles, Bellchambers (2017), Currie, etc..a lot of people will say they dont rate them but have a look at what Clarke has contributed for us....instead we put 3 or 4 years into the Sydney project only to delist him and then Hannath was recruited to play for Peel....but its all ok as the same guys that made these decisions are now doing a list review.......One final point to ponder, our two ruckmen were beaten by Shaun Hampson on the weekend!!!
 
A big part of it is just that the ruck paradigm has changed since these guys started their careers. It's either all or nothing now. You either dominate taps like Sandi or Sauce Jacobs, or your ruckman basically plays as an additional midfielder who will be spare most of the time as a link up option, like Todd Goldstein or Blicavs.

For a while I thought Clarke could be the 2nd type, but for whatever reason we haven't tried him in that role.
 

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Yeah, sadly our ruck stock look pretty bad after it looked nearly the best not long ago. Clarke and Moller to take over from Sandi and Griffin all with Hannath as back up. But Moller is gone, Hannath doesn't look very promising, Clarke and Griffin have stuggled since injuring their knees and Sandi is still very good but pretty old and injured atm.

But somehow developing a ruck is pretty much a gamble. Jamar has been averaging 5 disposals and 10 hitouts for quite a few years until he became good. Martin looked a spud until pretty recently at Brisbane. Gawn has been on Melbourne's list quite some time as well. Who was the last high draft pick ruck apart from Nicnat. Probably Fraser. trading lookes a reaonably safe option since a lot of servicable rucks alway seem to not get gametime. But we seems to need all kind of talls atm which will be very hard to achieve.
 
For a while I thought Clarke could be the 2nd type, but for whatever reason we haven't tried him in that role.
Probably because our midfield is big already and we needed another forward target more. And we hardly ever all those rucks available anyway(and we did well as well, so not much need to try things).
 
The main subject in this thread is that we need to develop a new ruckman just as important as it to get Hogan or similar.

Could have just said that.

Yeah we need a ruck (or two!) though. Thankfully there's a few in this draft around the 2nd/3rd round. The development time just highlights that we need to trade for picks now. Not next year, not over the next few years, we need to grab a couple of lower picks right ****ing now because these guys take a couple of years. Ditto the KPF, but that's another story.
 
But somehow developing a ruck is pretty much a gamble. Jamar has been averaging 5 disposals and 10 hitouts for quite a few years until he became good. Martin looked a spud until pretty recently at Brisbane. Gawn has been on Melbourne's list quite some time as well. Who was the last high draft pick ruck apart from Nicnat. Probably Fraser. trading lookes a reaonably safe option since a lot of servicable rucks alway seem to not get gametime.

Brodie Grundy went in the first round. Kreuzer was #1 pick I think, he has been injured for all of his career though.
 
Brodie Grundy went in the first round. Kreuzer was #1 pick I think, he has been injured for all of his career though.

Not a stretch to say that Kreuzer would have been a gun but for injury. Which is another issue, they pick up a serious injury or so, and they can be slower on the recovery and generally more impacted in the longer term (very generally speaking).

EDIT: See Clarke running around trying to complete yet another season with dodgy knees for example.
 
Brodie Grundy fell a long way from being talked about as potentially the No# 1 pick to 17/18. It is a shame that skilled ruckman aren't valued as much and half the teams seem to want to experiment with imports from other countries.

There are two pure ruck prospects from WA this year; Tim English and Jeremy Goddard. They are projected to be taken between late first round and late second round, but the trend is for these types to slide. English seems quite good around the ground as well as at the contest. There is also Luke Strnadica who is equal parts Ruck and leading (rather than contested mark) forward with an accurate kick; he reminds me vaguely of Justin Longmuir, with a little bit more burst speed. He might slide a bit because he probably will always be too thin to be a pure forward, but too short to be a pure ruck, but then a few teams will also like the versatility (For example I think we are one of those teams that like the dual role) so he could also rise.

What this all again points to is that we need to trade to get picks for the second round.
 
A big part of it is just that the ruck paradigm has changed since these guys started their careers. It's either all or nothing now. You either dominate taps like Sandi or Sauce Jacobs, or your ruckman basically plays as an additional midfielder who will be spare most of the time as a link up option, like Todd Goldstein or Blicavs.

For a while I thought Clarke could be the 2nd type, but for whatever reason we haven't tried him in that role.


Ross likes your the huge ruckman style, IMO Appness when fit will be the ruckman/forward. I can't understand what's happening to Clarke, in 2013 he looked fantastic, I know everyone says the knee issue but it's been going on for two seasons so why would that not be fixed by now.

Brodie Grundy was very average till this season and I read that he is just starting to learn the craft of ruck play and was a first round pick, Billy longer is in vfl and struggling and was pick eight I beleive the year before Grundy.
Moller was a rookie in Grundy draft and showed good signs but again IMO was let go because he was more the leaping quicker midfieid type ruckman.

So to sum I believe that Appness and Hannath will be the future rucks. I think Clarke will probably test his free agency at years end and probably head back home where IMO a vic club will take a punt on him.
 
Ross likes your the huge ruckman style, IMO Appness when fit will be the ruckman/forward. I can't understand what's happening to Clarke, in 2013 he looked fantastic, I know everyone says the knee issue but it's been going on for two seasons so why would that not be fixed by now.

Brodie Grundy was very average till this season and I read that he is just starting to learn the craft of ruck play and was a first round pick, Billy longer is in vfl and struggling and was pick eight I beleive the year before Grundy.
Moller was a rookie in Grundy draft and showed good signs but again IMO was let go because he was more the leaping quicker midfieid type ruckman.

So to sum I believe that Appness and Hannath will be the future rucks. I think Clarke will probably test his free agency at years end and probably head back home where IMO a vic club will take a punt on him.

Hannah as our future ruck . Please isn't this season bad enough.:p
 

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Clarke when he did his PCL at the music festival should have got it repaired and missed 7-8 months, he pushed through but now he's rooted. I think he'll try and sue the club once they delist him.
 
The main subject in this thread is that we need to develop a new ruckman just as important as it to get Hogan or similar.

Not disagreeing that we need to think of a ruckman, but I can't agree that it is the #1 priority when we have no key forwards and a lack of blokes with speed that can kick
 

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In this draft we need an A grade ruck, forward, back and mid. We wont get all that. No second round pick unless we can trade a plodder.

Just have to be happy with one potential A grade mid and hope we can trade for a KPF and ruck.
If still available , darcy Cameron will be ideal I think for future he is better than Clarke, griff and Hannah , but this year look like he is in demand.
 
In this draft we need an A grade ruck, forward, back and mid. We wont get all that. No second round pick unless we can trade a plodder.

Just have to be happy with one potential A grade mid and hope we can trade for a KPF and ruck.

We could if we were GWS. Where is Simmofreo ? I need someone to vent at.
 
If still available , darcy Cameron will be ideal I think for future he is better than Clarke, griff and Hannah , but this year look like he is in demand.

I'm not going to say he can't make it, but speed will be an issue. He also does not have much of a leap.
 

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