Traded Clayton Oliver [Traded to Giants for 2026 R3 (GWS)]

[Colonial]

Official

 

[1970crow]

You can’t move an albatross contract without taking a loss lol

Either by GIVING up a pick to move his full contract or by taking on some of his salary so there’s no loss in the draft pick department.

But as we saw this past offseason, the interest wasn’t there unless Dees took on a lot of the salary.
They will get laughed at for throwing out any demands in return.
Most teams will not be helping Melbourne out here. This is something the Dees board and the footy department need to live with.
They ****ed up bigtime, it’s a cautionary tale about cap management and giving out long term deals.

Pies learned this with Grundy and Treloar.

There’s no win out of this for the Dees, it’s why you’ve gotta be careful giving out albatross long term deals.

Pies backloaded heavily trying to keep their flag tilt group together. That year was when the chickens came home to roost as they were way over the cap. Not sure Dees are in the same boat.

 

[1970crow]

$1.5-$1.7 million. Crazy deal. Tim Lamb sure does love handing them out.

It's going to make it so hard to get a deal done. Dees will want a decent pick, the suitor will want them to pay a huge chunk of that if they're giving one up.

Every article at the time quoted 7 years at $7m. It’s now gone $1.3m to $1.5m and now potentially $1.7m. This time next year it’ll be $3m/year.

 

[tiger_tough]

Every article at the time quoted 7 years at $7m. It’s now gone $1.3m to $1.5m and now potentially $1.7m. This time next year it’ll be $3m/year.

It's indexed. It started at $1mill I believe.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Reckon north are a smokey here, especially with the lack of first round pick for them and the strong Jy Simpkin connection

North get - Clayton Oliver, 2025 first round pick (Gold coast)
North give - Will Phillips, 2026 second round pick (NM)

Melbourne give - Clayton Oliver, 2026 second round pick (MEL)
Melbourne get - Will Phillips

Gold coast give - 2025 first round pick (GCS)
gold coast get - 2026 second round pick (NM), 2026 second round pick (MEL)

North take the contract on

Gc would be absolutely mad to do that trade
And Oliver won't agree to go to North.

 

[1970crow]

Jake Niall wrote an article on the situation about a week ago. Basically said a deal last year was close, didn’t say who said no directly, but reading between the lines it was Melbourne.

Contract was just short of 8mil over 6 years at end of last year. Geelong would pay 850k a year and give up a (late) 2nd round pick, Oliver would take a haircut and Melbourne would pick up the difference in salary.

Kind of get saying no from the dees perspective:
Reasons to say no:

• we struggle to attract high quality players (and pay fair market value or more for them, both in picks and salary), so the extra cap room wouldn’t be a great help, particularly noting we appear to have cap room.
• even with lower output than previous years, Oliver is going to play more games at higher quality than what an average late 2nd round pick will.
• if he returned to being a top 50 player in the league while we paid a decent % of his salary and got a 30s/40s pick back in return supporters would burn down the club.

Reasons to say yes:

• free up cap space that may not make a difference to attracting a high quality player - we’d be lucky to land a player like Ben McKay with it. Yuck.
• Oliver burns down the club from the inside with poor off field choices.

From a risk management perspective, it’s easier to stop one person the club down from the inside than it is to stop at least a few doing so from the outside.

So it went from $7m over 7 years to $8m over 6. Carry must have paid Melbourne $1m last year.

 

[1970crow]

It's indexed. It started at $1mill I believe.

Indexed against what? Cap isn’t going up by 70% in 1 year.

 

[tiger_tough]

Indexed against what? Cap isn’t going up by 70% in 1 year.

It's 1.5-1.7 at the end, not now. Reportedly.

 

[markm106]

The contract figure reporting is just weird. But we can assume the contract is around 1.3 million a season.

 

[tiger_tough]

The contract figure reporting is just weird. But we can assume the contract is around 1.3 million a season.

Yeah I've seen 1.3-1.5 and 1.5-1.7.

So it's likely somewhere inbetween. Either way it's a truckload of coin Lamby handed out to a player with known issues.

 

[markm106]

Yeah I've seen 1.3-1.5 and 1.5-1.7.

So it's likely somewhere inbetween. Either way it's a truckload of coin Lamby handed out to a player with known issues.

It’s always hard with genuine A graders. He was arguably the best player in the comp for a few years. Other clubs would have been throwing coin at him to. Player managers play the clubs like that. Plus at the time of re signing we weren’t to fortune tell what has happened.

 

[VinnieB]

TBH it seems to be getting to a point where is Melbourne could clear the decks in terms on his salary we may just accept a 2/3 round pick.

You probably have to offer a 2nd round pick to have a club take his contract.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

You probably have to offer a 2nd round pick to have a club take his contract.

And hide your mad giggling if they sign it

 

[MisterMarcus]

Genuinely don't see how he gets to Geelong. One of three things needs to happen:

1) Geelong offers to pay major overs - i.e. take on his whole contract and/or pay a premium in draft price for him - such that Melbourne are very happy to let him go.

2) Melbourne agree to accept basically a net nothing in return for him - either receiving a token draft pick or paying a decent chunk of his salary - just to get him out the door.

3) Oliver agrees to a major reduction in his contract purely to facilitate the move.


None of these seems very likely to me.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Genuinely don't see how he gets to Geelong. One of three things needs to happen:

1) Geelong offers to pay major overs - i.e. take on his whole contract and/or pay a premium in draft price for him - such that Melbourne are very happy to let him go.

2) Melbourne agree to accept basically a net nothing in return for him - either receiving a token draft pick or paying a decent chunk of his salary - just to get him out the door.

3) Oliver agrees to a major reduction in his contract purely to facilitate the move.


None of these seems very likely to me.

Even if the contract was not an issue, his on field performance is still awful. He is not playing afl level football. Hopefully Mackie just blocks his number.

 

[markm106]

It sounds like Worpel likely to get to Geelong. All but rules Oliver out.

 

[tiger_tough]

It sounds like Worpel likely to get to Geelong. All but rules Oliver out.

Makes a lot more sense for Geelong.

 

[markm106]

Makes a lot more sense for Geelong.

Alot cheaper and the output will be similar given how Oliver is looking so far.

 

[VinnieB]

Genuinely don't see how he gets to Geelong. One of three things needs to happen:

1) Geelong offers to pay major overs - i.e. take on his whole contract and/or pay a premium in draft price for him - such that Melbourne are very happy to let him go.

2) Melbourne agree to accept basically a net nothing in return for him - either receiving a token draft pick or paying a decent chunk of his salary - just to get him out the door.

3) Oliver agrees to a major reduction in his contract purely to facilitate the move.


None of these seems very likely to me.

I can’t see why Melbourne would want him on their list for another 5 years at well over $1m pa.

He isn’t the player he once was, and will never be again.

There is every reason why Melbourne want him gone. They just need to realise they want get anything for him and have to be prepared to take on part of his salary.

With long term contracts, taking on salary is probably going to be more of the norm.

The Pies have done it with Grundy and Treloar (finally coming to an end), and while it isn’t ideal, it has been shown to not impede winning a premiership.

 

[VinnieB]

It sounds like Worpel likely to get to Geelong. All but rules Oliver out.

I’d much rather Worpel than Oliver.
Half the price, and more effective with less headaches.

 

[danster168]

Even if the contract was not an issue, his on field performance is still awful. He is not playing afl level football. Hopefully Mackie just blocks his number.

what a load of bull dust. the guy is 4th in the league for contested possessions, averaging 27.6 touches a game and 7 clearances which is 8th in the league. And has a healthy disposal and kicking efficiency. People that are piling on are piling on because he's gone from the arguably the games best midfielder to a good player. Not many footy analytics out there are looking at his actual football because the stats don't support any notion that he isn't afl standard. Sure he's not what he used to be but that shouldn't cloud over what he's actually doing. And doing so, despite being what, 50% fit?

Not to mention he still got tagged against the bombers which shows how coaches really rate him.

 

[markm106]

No thanks.
Don't need a 28yr old has-been.

Reid though, he's the one we are after.

He was taking about Worpel. Not sure he is quiet a has been. But I don’t expect he’ll get any better.

 

[danster168]

No thanks.
Don't need a 28yr old has-been.

Reid though, he's the one we are after.

May as well delist Tom Stewart then.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

what a load of bull dust. the guy is 4th in the league for contested possessions, averaging 27.6 touches a game and 7 clearances which is 8th in the league. And has a healthy disposal and kicking efficiency. People that are piling on are piling on because he's gone from the arguably the games best midfielder to a good player. Not many footy analytics out there are looking at his actual football because the stats don't support any notion that he isn't afl standard. Sure he's not what he used to be but that shouldn't cloud over what he's actually doing. And doing so, despite being what, 50% fit?

Not to mention he still got tagged against the bombers which shows how coaches really rate him.

The stats are bull. I've only watched live once this year against Essendon and it's absolutely not exaggerating to say that if he didn't play you win.

He also was absolutely not tagged against the Bombers. He was completely ignored.

 

[tiger_tough]

what a load of bull dust. the guy is 4th in the league for contested possessions, averaging 27.6 touches a game and 7 clearances which is 8th in the league. And has a healthy disposal and kicking efficiency. People that are piling on are piling on because he's gone from the arguably the games best midfielder to a good player. Not many footy analytics out there are looking at his actual football because the stats don't support any notion that he isn't afl standard. Sure he's not what he used to be but that shouldn't cloud over what he's actually doing. And doing so, despite being what, 50% fit?

Not to mention he still got tagged against the bombers which shows how coaches really rate him.

Stats schmats. He's been poor. Why is he only 50% fit with a full pre season?

 

[danster168]

Stats schmats. He's been poor. Why is he only 50% fit with a full pre season?

because he was like 15kg over weight lol