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whoever becomes the coach will probably get a 3 or 4 year contract, because whoever becomes coach will not be someone they almost sacked as coach 6 months ago. Like, people are criticising CA here for offering 6 months, ok, but, there's no way CA could actually offer a long term deal to someone they literally almost sacked. that likely would have ended in tears - and a pay-out that CA would rightly be criticised for
 
Phone said:
whoever becomes the coach will probably get a 3 or 4 year contract, because whoever becomes coach will not be someone they almost sacked as coach 6 months ago. Like, people are criticising CA here for offering 6 months, ok, but, there's no way CA could actually offer a long term deal to someone they literally almost sacked. that likely would have ended in tears - and a pay-out that CA would rightly be criticised for
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I don't agree.

They didn't have to offer an extension at all if they thought he was not the man for the job.

Then it's either JL's position to coach it out or walk.
Offering an extension was weak IMO.
 

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Phone said:
I mean, he's walking away without the job so CA still won the game comfortably. They would have liked a PR stalemate too but Langer was either too stupid to see the writing on the wall or wanted to make life tough for CA and the players on his way out, which is his right, but I suspect probably won't make CA think they've made the wrong call.
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Maybe, but they never made a call. They did not have the balls to make a decision.
Langer wins hands down in the honesty stakes.
CA, have been for a long time, a bunch of incompetents. Not just this bunch but under Sutherland as well. Remember that Sutherland was the head honch during the South African debacle.
Langer comes out a big winner, CA a huge loser.
 
Tugga27 said:
I don't agree.

They didn't have to offer an extension at all if they thought he was not the man for the job.

Then it's either JL's position to coach it out or walk.
Offering an extension was weak IMO.
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I don't think they should have offered an extension either. That's the biggest mistake they made, but I can understand how they got there.
 
frankrizzo said:
There is even a direct quote from a senior player in hazlewood talking about langer taking a backseat in recent times i put that on a post a few pages back, the reports of the mutiny and langers loss of power are widespread the only place it is even in any doubt as actually being the ground reality is this forum from what i can see, its why its so hard to have a genuine discussion here as so many have just decided to run with their alternate reality that no mutiny happened or even if it did happen langer was somehow running the show same as always the last 6 months.

If somebody's starting point is using so obviously wrong information of course they could never understand why langer wasnt immediately given a new long term deal.
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Yet that structure got results. Langer adapted, Australia won. Now CA gets the media to write articles that Langer wasn’t doing anything anyway.

The CA board allow a munity to take place lead by NSW players & other assistant coaches (some who directly benefit if Langer goes). Then they start white anting him through the media while figuring out how to make the change.

I see this as a bit of a Carlton sacking Ratten moment. It’s going to come back and bite us.
 
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Phone said:
whoever becomes the coach will probably get a 3 or 4 year contract, because whoever becomes coach will not be someone they almost sacked as coach 6 months ago. Like, people are criticising CA here for offering 6 months, ok, but, there's no way CA could actually offer a long term deal to someone they literally almost sacked. that likely would have ended in tears - and a pay-out that CA would rightly be criticised for
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They offered a 6 month contract because they didn't have the balls to sack him. They made an offer he couldn't accept
 
frankrizzo said:
There is even a direct quote from a senior player in hazlewood talking about langer taking a backseat in recent times i put that on a post a few pages back, the reports of the mutiny and langers loss of power are widespread the only place it is even in any doubt as actually being the ground reality is this forum from what i can see, its why its so hard to have a genuine discussion here as so many have just decided to run with their alternate reality that no mutiny happened or even if it did happen langer was somehow running the show same as always the last 6 months.

If somebody's starting point is using so obviously wrong information of course they could never understand why langer wasnt immediately given a new long term deal.
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You could be right Frank - I just don't subscribe to the speculative innuendo/rumour/scuttlebutt and sweeping generalizations supporting this alleged media promoted anti-coach 'player mutiny'..? Not suggesting they were not issues, but seriously doubt it was anything approaching this level..!

And Hazelwood's comments could just as easily be construed/interpreted as JL simply empowering his players be more responsible towards their roles in the team, but of course that reasoning doesn't qualify as a headline supporting the 'player mutiny' narrative...

As I alluded to in an earlier post - I suspect this outcome has more to do with JL's knowledge of and support for Paine's historical indiscretion and his recent related public comments of this that were not exactly favourable for CA, which also included his emotional whack at the media: "So none of you people have ever made a mistake in your life, really?"...
 
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reggie said:
They offered a 6 month contract because they didn't have the balls to sack him. They made an offer he couldn't accept
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I agree that Langer had to go but this is also true.

If they had no plans for him to stay on he should have been let go 6 months ago, it seems like they simply kicked the can down the road to avoid having to deal with it earlier and it's blown up in their faces because of the T20 World Cup win an Ashes win that was probably more dominant then some expected.
 

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LukeParkerno1 said:
It’s the right call bloke hasn’t shown he can coach overseas yet
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T20 World Cup winner
ODI World Cup semi-finallists
Retained Ashes - first Australian team to do that in England since 2001

Not sure what else you expect?
 
big_e said:
T20 World Cup winner
ODI World Cup semi-finallists
Retained Ashes - first Australian team to do that in England since 2001

Not sure what else you expect?
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Not lose test series’ at HOME. We lost to India without half their team
 
LukeParkerno1 said:
Not lose test series’ at HOME. We lost to India without half their team
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No real dispute will that result/failure LP, but in context Australia were still in the; 'Shake hands will all opposing players at the toss/love to all mankind/sing Kum Ba Yah at the end of the each days play' harmony spirit mode..? Blame JL, perhaps.

More damming cricket wise, was Australia allowed India's lower order, Gill and Pant etc. to regularly make scores of 90 odd..? Blame JL, no.
 
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I honestly think if we get a soft yes man in there to replace JL and the players get free reins Australian cricket will fall apart... will be interesting times anyhow.
 

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Around the Wicket said:
I honestly think if we get a soft yes man in there to replace JL and the players get free reins Australian cricket will fall apart... will be interesting times anyhow.
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Yes the player group will be watched closely again , have they learnt ...hopefully Travis Head's form continues as he is a leader .
 
Around the Wicket said:
I honestly think if we get a soft yes man in there to replace JL and the players get free reins Australian cricket will fall apart... will be interesting times anyhow.
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Rightio chaps here what I want you to do; BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH, OK, EVERYONE ON BOARD, GOT IT...!!!!

Players - Oh no, he raised his voice, I'm feeling anxious and think I need counselling - he should be sacked...
 
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Around the Wicket said:
I honestly think if we get a soft yes man in there to replace JL and the players get free reins Australian cricket will fall apart... will be interesting times anyhow.
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The players will get there choice of coach , they have just removed Langer .

CA are a mess and the senior players are running the show
 
deanc said:
No real dispute will that result/failure LP, but in context Australia were still in the; 'Shake hands will all opposing players at the toss/love to all mankind/sing Kum Ba Yah at the end of the each days play' harmony spirit mode..? Blame JL, perhaps.

More damming cricket wise, was Australia allowed India's lower order, Gill and Pant etc. to regularly make scores of 90 odd..? Blame JL, no.
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He’s the one that didn’t rest bowlers when they were cooked. He is also the one that played the wrong batsmen.
 
There's no need for a coach, you just need a stats guy and someone to help with the training drills.
Sounds like Langer was annoying the players and distracting them.
The Captain should have the final say on everything. This is a good move by Cummins imo.
 
Aristotle Pickett said:
There's no need for a coach, you just need a stats guy and someone to help with the training drills.
Sounds like Langer was annoying the players and distracting them.
The Captain should have the final say on everything. This is a good move by Cummins imo.
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Yeah l agree let the players run the show which is what happened four years ago.
 

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