Coach Grumpy

[anchor man]

Yeah I have no idea why players would want to remain anonymous after all the s**t Cummins has copped

They have all been anonymous so far, and continue to be.

 

[The 747]

This is going to go on all summer isn't it?

 

[Plugger35]

The batsman was told prior to the delivery that Chappell the younger was going to bowl an under arm delivery. Which, was a legitimate delivery
Maybe not sporting, but legal. Under arm was once the only legal way to bowl.

It was a low act from Greg Chappell, no one else in the Australian team agreed with it, Rod Marsh was disgusted and apologised to NZ after the game.

Trevor Chappell didn't want to bowl underarm either but he had to follow the captain and big brother's orders despite Rod Marsh telling him not to.

Even Greg admitted he wouldn't have asked anyone else to bowl underarm, could you imagine the response he got if he asked Lillee to bowl underarm?

 

[Supercoach Bargain]

This is going to go on all summer isn't it?

Yep.

Justin Langer’s endless grudge threatens to cloud new cricket summer | Geoff Lemon

Justin Langer is still angry at being deposed as national coach. But with every outburst, the Test great turned television commentator kicks holes in Pat Cummins’ current team

www.theguardian.com

 

[SSwans2011]

WA media getting a bit ridiculous now - this is Buddy taking the bins out level - and again, no idea why any Langer critic within the squad would want to remain anonymous looking at this witch hunt.

 

[Ohitsthatguy]

This is going to go on all summer isn't it?

He's commentating this summer so yep

Allllll summer

Just ****ing let it go, good lord

 

[Ohitsthatguy]

The people siding with Langer: Boomers and West Australians

Edit: To be fair, not all West Australians, some have been able to look past their state allegiances

And not all boomers, I know many on this forum who are reasonable

 

[Ohitsthatguy]

WA media getting a bit ridiculous now - this is Buddy taking the bins out level - and again, no idea why any Langer critic within the squad would want to remain anonymous looking at this witch huntView attachment 1560955

You mean Murdoch media, the staple diet of the boomer

 

[sandeano]

It wasn't the only act of bad sportsmanship Greg Chappell was involved in that day either, he also refused to walk after Martin Sneddon took a clean catch off him and that was back before the umpires could make a decision based on tv replays so he was allowed to stay out there and scored a ton.

This act of bastardry seems to have been forgotten in all the hoo-ha over the underarm. From what I remember at that time a batsman (and usually the umpire) accepted the word of a fielder when it came to claiming a catch. Snedden took a great, clean catch and Chappell basically accused him of cheating...and the umpire took the Australian captain's word. It was despicable.

And within a few years we had Greg Dyer. Sickening.

 

[The Passenger]

There's others that are likeable but I don't know how you could possibly find Khawaja unlikeable? Happy go lucky, affable, engaging guy.

From first hand experience as a young cricketer, he is one of the nicest blokes you'll ever come across. That may be 15 years ago now, but I can't imagine much has changed.

 

[The Passenger]

I'm not particularly bothered that he's gone, he needs to get over it and move on, but I disagree with the player power on show here, I think the problems that led to Cape Town could easily resurface.

The biggest problem there was Steve Smith as captain. Great player obviously, but he was captain by default and was unable to control Dave Warner.

Warner seems to have settled down, and won't be around much longer in any case, so that's certainly going to help Cummins tenure.

 

[toml]

Langer is certainly coming off as rather unhinged right now. The tirade that he is trying to mount with his cronies right now really is perfectly illustrating why the players wanted him gone. Seems like his ego thinks he was god's gift to the Australian team, you lost 2 home series on the trot to India and one from an almost unloseable position. Keep digging yourself in to that hole JL

 

[toml]

Remember when JL blew up at the cricket.com.au social media guys because they acknowledged that Bangladesh beat us in a T20i series prior to last year's world cup? Him berating Nathan Ellis simply for wearing a watch on the field? Bloke is a complete cooker, can not believe he is getting the support he is. None of you could seriously say you would want to work with someone like that in your own workplace. Good riddance

 

[010203]

A big part of the reason why Langer appears unable to move on is because I suspect the Australian national team is the only national team he ever wanted to coach. I couldn't see him signing up to try and take the Ashes off Australia like Trevor Bayliss, nor could I see him wanting to coach against Australia.

You could say Langer's feelings are admirable but it can also be looked at as a rather narrow view of the international coaching scene. There's no rule saying that national teams must be coached by a native of that country.

The disconnect between Langer and the team could be seen after India's series sealing win at the Gabba in 2021. It was a series Australia really should have won and the team who played at the Gabba became the Aussie XI who lost a test at the Gabba for the first time since 1988.

Captain Tim Paine said ''It has been a tough series and the bubble tested everyone, but we had a crack, it was disappointing because we had control in the last two Tests but couldn’t get the result we were after. We’ll get another crack at it, so go home, dust yourselves off, have a bit of time out. At the end of the day it is not life or death, it’s cricket, it’s sport, it’s a game.”

Langer's response: '‘Don’t you ever f---ing say that again, it is not just a f---ing game at this level.’'

I'm on Langer's side with this. Losing a test series on home soil and losing at your fortress for the first time in over 3 decades shouldn't be shrugged off with a ''oh well, such is life'' like attitude. Justin Langer played in the Aussie side that lost an Ashes series for the first time in nearly two decades. You can bet it hurt those players and that hurt only went away when England were obliterated 5-0 in the 2006-07 home Ashes series.

All that said, coaches have a shelf life. All coaches have an expiry date. All coaches reach a stage where their methods no longer gel with the players. Trevor Bayliss said early on his England tenure that 4 years is long enough for a coach to spend with a team. After that, players feel they need a new message, a new approach and it's also, in Bayliss's eyes, time for the coach to move onto something new. Bayliss is a very calm and measured character. If he thinks 4 years is long enough for players to listen to him, a coach as intense as Langer would probably wear his players out after a couple of years.

 

[donpyke92]

That series, very poorly coached with a Captain that has to know the new coach's mantra & strategy.
Bowl short to Indian tailenders, they can't handle it...even with a new or old ball.. it was ridiculously stupid.
Langer lost his players, players being labelled as cowards because they didn't tell him properly that he is a campaigner to his face, who the f*** would, scary, intense dude. Great captaincy from Cummins, knowing Langer won't be coach longterm, to maintain a civil relationship and perform in the Ashes in Aus. Pretty simple. Langer is a bitter fella, stubborn as he was as a batsmen.
Right call to let him go IMHO
If he is that much into Aus cricket as he says, now he should STFU, not helpful.
Enjoy his commentary this summer....Richie Benaud will be flipped. I'll put my telly on mute

 

[thejester]

This is going to go on all summer isn't it?

All summer? Try the next couple of decades

 

[Mikevk123]

I think it’s more the underhanded way they went about it which has pissed people off.

The fabric aggression of the Australian Cricket team has been ripped out, mainly due to sandpaper gate. And now we have the NSW cartel pulling strings over team politics. Doesn’t help when CA is a disgrace with how they’ve hung out Warner, Smith, Bancroft and Paine to dry.

The team selection during the World Cup was evidence of this. Finch was cooked and has been for awhile. Warner was in terrible form, Smith and Cummins shouldn’t have been in the squad due to being longer format players. Misusing Cam Green in the lead up matches. Was a total disaster.

Due to it being played in Australia we probably should have called up some the younger BBL players who are more suited to the format. Yet we picked the same old gang who’s out of form.

 

[The 747]

CA are nobody's idea of a good organisation but it is concerning to me that such a man-baby was put into a position of power over our team.

 

[SSwans2011]

People keep bringing up Finch playing in the WC as if it means anything to the conversation. Finch was cooked well before Langer stood down.

He was always almost certainly going to be selected for the World Cup, regardless of who was coach.

 

[The 747]

Now claims he wants to move on, in a lengthy column for the West Australian:

'It is not true' - Langer adamant no cricket rift exists

A recent podcast released last week reignited tensions about the former coach's departure

www.espncricinfo.com

Bwahahahahaha

 

[Balls In]

Yep.

Justin Langer’s endless grudge threatens to cloud new cricket summer | Geoff Lemon

Justin Langer is still angry at being deposed as national coach. But with every outburst, the Test great turned television commentator kicks holes in Pat Cummins’ current team

www.theguardian.com

Langer is perfectly within his rights to talk about his shafting. If anything he was respectful enough to stay silent until after the world cup disaster. His naming of captain woke (and Finch) as the cancers within is a surprise to no one, nor that the Guardian wants to run cover for it's blue eyes boy.

 

[corbies]

I think it’s more the underhanded way they went about it which has pissed people off.

The fabric aggression of the Australian Cricket team has been ripped out, mainly due to sandpaper gate. And now we have the NSW cartel pulling strings over team politics. Doesn’t help when CA is a disgrace with how they’ve hung out Warner, Smith, Bancroft and Paine to dry.

The team selection during the World Cup was evidence of this. Finch was cooked and has been for awhile. Warner was in terrible form, Smith and Cummins shouldn’t have been in the squad due to being longer format players. Misusing Cam Green in the lead up matches. Was a total disaster.

Due to it being played in Australia we probably should have called up some the younger BBL players who are more suited to the format. Yet we picked the same old gang who’s out of form.

Huh? In the 7 T20Is Warner played between the 2021 and 2022 World Cups he averaged 49 at a strike rate of 157 off the back of being player of the ****ing tournament 12 months before then. I just can not work out why they'd have picked him.

 

[Phone]

Langer is perfectly within his rights to talk about his shafting. If anything he was respectful enough to stay silent until after the world cup disaster. His naming of captain woke (and Finch) as the cancers within is a surprise to no one, nor that the Guardian wants to run cover for it's blue eyes boy.

He's perfectly within rights. Of course, one would hope he would have learnt by now that his appearances in the media tend to end up making him look worse than if he said nothing at all. Which is precisely what we've seen here with his podcast appearance and then him franticly trying to undo what he said.

Maybe he'll learn one day.

 

[Rabish Binney]

It may have been a legal delivery but that was only because no one thought someone would stoop so low to bowl an underarm ball and it was made illegal straight after that. What happened with all the other deliveries is irrelevant, it still unfairly denied the batsman the chance to hit the ball for six.

It wasn't the only act of bad sportsmanship Greg Chappell was involved in that day either, he also refused to walk after Martin Sneddon took a clean catch off him and that was back before the umpires could make a decision based on tv replays so he was allowed to stay out there and scored a ton.

Geoff Howarth (NZ Captain) asked one of the Umpires why they didnt give Chappell out and to Howarth's amazement, the Ump (I think it was Peter Cronin) said that he was looking at the batsman to make sure they grounded their bat over the line when running between the wickets......

Sadly , the events of that day overshadowed one of the best ODI 100's made by Bruce Edgar.....

 

[Gough]

Having listened to him in commentary all summer I think it's now been conceded in most quarters that the players might have been on to something regarding Langer as being a touch tiresome.