Collingwood Rucks

[AndyLucimitis]

Not trying to be a troll but heard an interesting exchange on 3AW with Robert Walls and Tony Shaw talking about Collingwood rucks.

Walls asked Shaw who will be a better long term ruck prospect - Chris Bryan or Cameron Wood.

Shaw answered 'Wood'.

Walls said 'Well then play him !!'.

FWIW - I think the Maggies are a good side - would love to see you knock off Hawthorn in the finals but its no secret your rucks are letting you down.

Why don't they play Wood and get some games into him ??

 

[Dave The Man]

Not trying to be a troll but heard an interesting exchange on 3AW with Robert Walls and Tony Shaw talking about Collingwood rucks.

Walls asked Shaw who will be a better long term ruck prospect - Chris Bryan or Cameron Wood.

Shaw answered 'Wood'.

Walls said 'Well then play him !!'.

FWIW - I think the Maggies are a good side - would love to see you knock off Hawthorn in the finals but its no secret your rucks are letting you down.

Why don't they play Wood and get some games into him ??

I been Saying this since he was dropped but Nothing has come from the Club on Why

 

[y0ssarianLives]

Wood must have gone back to work on something specific. Our ruck problems aren't going to be solved in the short term but we do need to win games. I guess if we weren't pushing for top for Wood may have been in the team?? Who knows, we may come out and smack the dogs and everyone will say how great our rucks are...

 

[kevind]

Not trying to be a troll but heard an interesting exchange on 3AW with Robert Walls and Tony Shaw talking about Collingwood rucks.

Walls asked Shaw who will be a better long term ruck prospect - Chris Bryan or Cameron Wood.

Shaw answered 'Wood'.

Walls said 'Well then play him !!'.

FWIW - I think the Maggies are a good side - would love to see you knock off Hawthorn in the finals but its no secret your rucks are letting you down.

Why don't they play Wood and get some games into him ??

It's not Bryan who is the problem, it's Fraser. Hardly ever plays well and has no physical presence. Wood's form has not been good either and has been struggling at VFL level. He is only the better long term prospect because of his age and that horrible term 'potential'.

 

[Invigoration]

Great thing to teach a kid.

'You have more potential, so regardless of how you play you will be a walk up starter because we think you will be better in the future'.

I don't care if we're losing games and what not, Wood isn't a walk up starter in our team based on potential.
The kid should be good, yes, because it is hardly a trait to teach a kid that he doesn't need to work his arse off to play in the best AFL club.

Wood needs to earn his spot, just like any other kid on our list, and at the moment down at VFL level he isn't demanding to be in the team.
Bryan is playing well and has done nothing wrong in the seniors yet, he doesn't deserve to be left on the sidelines all year because we want to develop our ruckman who may not actually become decent for 2-3 years.

Wood left Brisbane because he wasn't get enough chances there (when truth was he had simply fallen down the pecking order) which to me, isn't a great attribute. To simply look for an easier way out to playing AFL, rather then earning your position based on ability, form and determination.
He shouldn't be under any illusions that it will simply be a walk in the park for him to play for the Collingwood FC, which is a great lesson for the kid to learn. He will be all the better for having worked his butt off for his chance again at AFL level, he will be hungier, more determined and play with more spirit. I hardly see how this is a bad course for a kid to take during such an early stage in his career?
Otherwise before we know it, we have another injury prone and worn out Fraser on our hands.

Until the kid can dominate VFL ruckman, I don't see what merits him receiving a call up to the ones. He certainly wouldn't have been a 30 point difference today.

Lets not forget he has time on his side, I don't think we will achieve much in the long term rushing his development.

 

[magpies42]

Bryan is by far the best ruck we have atm, simple

 

[WakeUpPies]

Collingwood Rucks = shit

 

[the_fresh]

First of all I never listen to anything Walls has to say.

Second I never listen to anything Shaw has to say on Collingwood, the man is bitter and will underman everything they do.

Wood wasn't playing that well, Fraser had to come in and the one to miss out was the one who didn't play the better out of the other 2.

Sadly Collingwood have not had a ruckman worth anything for a very long time.

 

[pipeline]

Great thing to teach a kid.

'You have more potential, so regardless of how you play you will be a walk up starter because we think you will be better in the future'.

I don't care if we're losing games and what not, Wood isn't a walk up starter in our team based on potential.
The kid should be good, yes, because it is hardly a trait to teach a kid that he doesn't need to work his arse off to play in the best AFL club.

Wood needs to earn his spot, just like any other kid on our list, and at the moment down at VFL level he isn't demanding to be in the team.
Bryan is playing well and has done nothing wrong in the seniors yet, he doesn't deserve to be left on the sidelines all year because we want to develop our ruckman who may not actually become decent for 2-3 years.

Wood left Brisbane because he wasn't get enough chances there (when truth was he had simply fallen down the pecking order) which to me, isn't a great attribute. To simply look for an easier way out to playing AFL, rather then earning your position based on ability, form and determination.
He shouldn't be under any illusions that it will simply be a walk in the park for him to play for the Collingwood FC, which is a great lesson for the kid to learn. He will be all the better for having worked his butt off for his chance again at AFL level, he will be hungier, more determined and play with more spirit. I hardly see how this is a bad course for a kid to take during such an early stage in his career?
Otherwise before we know it, we have another injury prone and worn out Fraser on our hands.

Until the kid can dominate VFL ruckman, I don't see what merits him receiving a call up to the ones. He certainly wouldn't have been a 30 point difference today.

Lets not forget he has time on his side, I don't think we will achieve much in the long term rushing his development.

Outstanding assessment unfortunately. Wood is going through the horrors at VFL level. And Mathews didn't want him. Whether CFC can make anything of him long term is yet to be seen but given out past record of building decent ruckmen....?

 

[Ron]

Collingwood Rucks = shit

This is nothing new, it has been a problem for many years.

If a certain someone wasn't so stubborn and attempted to fix this problem 6-7 years ago, right now we cpuld have a 25 year old ruckman in the prime of his career helping us out.

Instead, we have a young kid still learning his trade, someone who tries his best but in reality isn't tall enough or talented enough to be a good ruckman, and someone who is soft and must be constantly wondering where he left his heart.

 

[Dynamics]

This is nothing new, it has been a problem for many years.

If a certain someone wasn't so stubborn and attempted to fix this problem 6-7 years ago, right now we cpuld have a 25 year old ruckman in the prime of his career helping us out.

Instead, we have a young kid still learning his trade, someone who tries his best but in reality isn't tall enough or talented enough to be a good ruckman, and someone who is soft and must be constantly wondering where he left his heart.

Have to agree on the MM issue, regarding his stubbornness. We persisted with a ruckman who was never going to make it for too long. MM took too long to realise that ruckmen are still important and require more time than any other position to develop. And they're more hit and miss. Bring back Monky!

In all seriousness, at least he's done something about it by releasing Richards and bringing in Wood. I would say we need another young ruckman. Thoolen wasn't recruited as a ruckman apparently, so get one more big man in the squad, and a couple of tough inside mids. This isn't news though, it's been talked about for a couple of years now.

 

[MarkT]

Wood is and will be the best ruckman on our list. I’d play him. The sad reality though is very simple. The Collingwood coach does not believe ruckman are important as ruckmen and his theories have failed time and again to bring home then bacon. Malthouse’s theories don’t win premierships. This is his third long stint at his third club and apart from the obligatory post start-up concession success he has been a coach who’s career has been defined by solid creditable performance but failure to win flags. If we want to make money and be thereabouts then we have the right coach. Personally I’d rather a bloke that understands the need to throttle Carlton if we aren’t going to set the bar at no flag = falure.

I don’t know how many times we can be beaten in the ruck and still have Collingwood supporters stick up for our main ruckman. We should trade Fraser and Bryan, try and get an early pick, draft a ruckman and trade for a decent senior AFL ruckman. It might take us a couple of year to win a flag taking that path but the path we are on is not leading to the flag. This is the 9th season on this path and while there is a light at the end of the tunnel we never get out of the tunnel.

 

[sirlothie]

The stats show that a ruckman influence on a game of football is overrated, even your Cox's and Sandilands' of the world may get a lot of hitouts but little of them directly result in a clearance.

Therefore I would just persist with Wood to the extent he can merely hold his own every week and break even and not waste any more high draft picks on ruckmen because the price never equals the output, unless you got one on a rookie.

First round picks should alternate each year depending on what's there, KPP and mid's only though. Mainly mid's we should get 1st round 7 times out of 10.

Historically decent KPP can come out of the 2nd round but the cream of midfielders generally does not make it out of the first round.

I'm not racist but 1st rounders shouldn't be used on Aboriginals either... they are too flighty, see Egan, Sampi, Tambling.

Better off going with your Dick's.

 

[Stan.]

Im all for trading fraser but what would we get for him?

 

[sirlothie]

Im all for trading fraser but what would we get for him?

Somebody will look at him and think they could get better out of him. Probably could too.
I'd guesstimate a pick between 10 and 20 and perhaps a fringe player (read Medhurst).

 

[MarkT]

The stats show that a ruckman influence on a game of football is overrated, even your Cox's and Sandilands' of the world may get a lot of hitouts but little of them directly result in a clearance.

The stats show there are a lot of crap ruckman in the game because coaches chase athletes and then they show Fraser can’t beat many of them at anything. The stats show premiers have good rucks. The stats show Collingwood don’t win premierships.

 

[sirlothie]

The stats show there are a lot of crap ruckman in the game because coaches chase athletes and then they show Fraser can’t beat many of them at anything. The stats show premiers have good rucks. The stats show Collingwood don’t win premierships.

Have a read:

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/afl/thestars/index.php/heraldsun/comments/the_great_ruck_myth

 

[ksardog]

the time to have traded fraser was last year before he sucked another three year contract out of us.hes been crap for years and im sick of people making excuses for him, hes overated , his best year was his first and how he hasnt been put under the microscope by the media bewilders me.i dont care what we get for him he doesnt play with spirit and aggression and wood would definately be in my side ahead of him.the only place you can play fraser is forward and i would prefer cloke rocca rusling and reid ahead of him.lift your game or pack your bags

 

[Chase the Ace]

Collingwood Rucks = shit

Then Carlton's must be worse.

We won the Rucks yesterday
37 to 31

 

[Robert Walls]

First of all I never listen to anything Walls has to say.

Well you should!!

Second I never listen to anything Shaw has to say, the man is bitter

Very good point

 

[spartan-magpie]

The stats show that a ruckman influence on a game of football is overrated, even your Cox's and Sandilands' of the world may get a lot of hitouts but little of them directly result in a clearance.

Therefore I would just persist with Wood to the extent he can merely hold his own every week and break even and not waste any more high draft picks on ruckmen because the price never equals the output, unless you got one on a rookie.

First round picks should alternate each year depending on what's there, KPP and mid's only though. Mainly mid's we should get 1st round 7 times out of 10.

Historically decent KPP can come out of the 2nd round but the cream of midfielders generally does not make it out of the first round.

I'm not racist but 1st rounders shouldn't be used on Aboriginals either... they are too flighty, see Egan, Sampi, Tambling.

Better off going with your Dick's.

stupid remark the aborinal one... see all non aboriginal duds that have been picked as first rounders... we've also had a few of them too...

 

[spartan-magpie]

as for fraser... when i complained about his lack of heart last year (when he opted to miss the prelim) i remember getting heaps of criticism...

on the basis of this years performances he hasnt done himself any favours... the guy isnt a ruckman.. he never will be... he doesnt have the body or mentality for it... the best we can hope for with frser is the occasional very good game.. hopefully he does well for the rest of the season because we wont be able to trade him with the current crop of rucks we have to fall back on...

 

[Godfrey Jones]

long term, wood

short term, bryan is ticking all the boxes. tap ruckmen isnt what we need, because wood was getting like 12 hitouts a game and 0 to advantage, not his fault, we just dont have the clearance players to really win the ball against better teams

bryan provides that grunt, is a good player around the ground too....i like him.

 

[Ickirus]

long term, wood

short term, bryan is ticking all the boxes. tap ruckmen isnt what we need, because wood was getting like 12 hitouts a game and 0 to advantage, not his fault, we just dont have the clearance players to really win the ball against better teams

bryan provides that grunt, is a good player around the ground too....i like him.

Bryan hasn't done anything at all better than Wood so far this season, he also lacks any awareness what so ever. He can sometimes pull out a good pass but he is also prone to making mistakes alot, an example is his 5 critical errors against the Eagles

Wood was averaging around 30% taps to advantage before the St Kilda game, in the Saints game he had 16 hit outs but 0 to advantage but the hit out statistics are totally flawed anyways.

Fraser is injured, or we would hope so after his last performance, he isn't jumping and needs to be rested and Wood needs to be brought in

 

[Chase the Ace]

The stats show that a ruckman influence on a game of football is overrated, even your Cox's and Sandilands' of the world may get a lot of hitouts but little of them directly result in a clearance.

Therefore I would just persist with Wood to the extent he can merely hold his own every week and break even and not waste any more high draft picks on ruckmen because the price never equals the output, unless you got one on a rookie.

First round picks should alternate each year depending on what's there, KPP and mid's only though. Mainly mid's we should get 1st round 7 times out of 10.

Historically decent KPP can come out of the 2nd round but the cream of midfielders generally does not make it out of the first round.

I'm not racist but 1st rounders shouldn't be used on Aboriginals either... they are too flighty, see Egan, Sampi, Tambling.

Better off going with your Dick's.

Dick head