Collingwood "tackleing" their problems?

[pieman1]

Call me a a masochist but I forced myself to watch that Coll v Freo abomination of a football match again. If you take out O'Bree's and Lonie's feeble efforts that cost the side goals, we conceeded 5 or 6 goals from missed tackles. It seems to me that at the moment we would have to be one of the worst tackleing sides in the league. Freeborn, Rupe and Steinfort were all moved on but I can't recall these guys missing tackles or letting their opponents get behind them, infact our 2002/2003 sides were considered tough combinations. If players can't or are unwilling to do the dirty work we will continue to look soft. I can handle losing but being out muscled by Fremantle is hard to take.

 

[EltonBrown]

I've said this to my mates for a long long time - some of the attempts are terrible - and when we lay a tackle they are to often broken with ease.

 

[Lonie_from_50]

Yeah, it is well spotted, and hopefully the club has picked up on it. We need a Nick Maxwell back there to add panic to the forwards (he is a tough man who gives every opponent a dose of the AFL experience).

Hopefully the problem can be fixed, because if we are playing finals football (hopefully we bloody do!), then we got to add that pressure along with making it effective!

 

[Fastback]

Call me a a masochist but I forced myself to watch that Coll v Freo abomination of a football match again. If you take out O'Bree's and Lonie's feeble efforts that cost the side goals, we conceeded 5 or 6 goals from missed tackles. It seems to me that at the moment we would have to be one of the worst tackleing sides in the league. Freeborn, Rupe and Steinfort were all moved on but I can't recall these guys missing tackles or letting their opponents get behind them, infact our 2002/2003 sides were considered tough combinations. If players can't or are unwilling to do the dirty work we will continue to look soft. I can handle losing but being out muscled by Fremantle is hard to take.

We got rid of his twin (Lonie) for this reason. Very soft, hates to earn a kick and loves to run on to a handball from 60m. Great to watch when it comes off but...

 

[Lonie_from_50]

Now, don't think I am sticking up for Lonie cos of the name, it is just a phrase I liked, and therefore he is not the favourite of mine.

I don't know how many times I say this, but Lonie has a role in the side, and it is to use his run and brain to receive. We continue to say he is soft etc. but the reason he isn't 'tough' is because he isn't to play a tough role. He is not going to make a contest from a 1 on 1 because that may f**k up the game plan. He is a receiver, which in these days is used in so much negativity, yet that is his role for the side and part of the balance I guess.

On top of that, he can play as a toughman, or, well accountable and not as a receiver. He has had only one real different role in a game this season, and that was a defensive role on who is sitting in the top 5 goalkickers this season has offered. He held Brad Johnson to one goal. Yes, the 'squib' beat him, him being a superstar consistent veteran of the game. Not only that, but he still remains #2 in the club for tackles.

 

[King Woodie]

Spot on Lonie from 50. Ryan isn't in the side to play that in and under role - he is there to get the handball out and deliver it.

Imagine if the side was made up of only in and unders, we would have nobody to run and deliver. Imagine working hard to get the footy in the pack, and then having to dish it out to a running Shane O'Bree to deliver long into the forward line... Would get a little tiring after a while.

Don't be hard on Lonie for the doing the role that is supposed to be doing. Be hard on Burns, Licuria, O'Bree, Swan, etc for NOT doing the job that they should be doing.

 

[Madd Matt]

Don't be hard on Lonie for the doing the role that is supposed to be doing. Be hard on Burns, Licuria, O'Bree, Swan, etc for NOT doing the job that they should be doing.

I was about to say the same thing.
Our problem (to a degree) is not the lack of grunt from the current players, it's the lack of players with grunt. Big difference.
If, perhaps, we had Glen Archer in our side, and HE wasn't going hard at the ball, you could be mad at him for not doing his role... our problem is we have no Glen Archers!

 

[Lonie_from_50]

I was about to say the same thing.
Our problem (to a degree) is not the lack of grunt from the current players, it's the lack of players with grunt. Big difference.
If, perhaps, we had Glen Archer in our side, and HE wasn't going hard at the ball, you could be mad at him for not doing his role... our problem is we have no Glen Archers!

Nick Maxwell is our Glen Archer. As I have mentioned, without him, there is less fear in the opposition. I reckon he does alot to oppositions pyschologically with his tough presence and old fashioned style football aswell as being accountable. Jason Cloke can do the same, but has no pschological effects because no-one rates him.