List Mgmt. Collingwood Trade Talk 2016

[Ketchup]

I mentioned this name a few months ago and still think we should consider it.

If cloke wants to goto Richmond and Richmond does want cloke. I think Shane Edwards is a huge need for us and a realistic trade. Both about the same age. Cloke may be worth a little more due to previous success and position but should be close to the same currency.

Edwards is fantastic at ground level and can fill a role for the next 2-3 years until diacos comes along and is ready,, he can kick goals, he's got good skills and he can pinch hit in the midfield. We need to find forwards that can play midfield and not midfielders who play forward such as De goey and Broomhead.

Only negative is he can go missing. But so could varcoe, Howe and Aish and we have done okay with them. Id back us in.

 

[Old Spice]

Except that Darren Jolly was putting up Career best numbers, Cloke on the other hand..

Not exactly earth shattering. Averaged 12 disposals a game and 31 hit-outs. Anyway, yes Cloke's form has been mediocre but a team who will take him on would do so on the basis that if he regains his touch after an off year or is a link man running up the wing who could make a significant difference.

In any case I'm not saying first round, I'm saying drop 10 notches in an even draft and be compensated for that by Cloke.

 

[Chrispiesssss]

I mentioned this name a few months ago and still think we should consider it.

If cloke wants to goto Richmond and Richmond does want cloke. I think Shane Edwards is a huge need for us and a realistic trade. Both about the same age. Cloke may be worth a little more due to previous success and position but should be close to the same currency.

Edwards is fantastic at ground level and can fill a role for the next 2-3 years until diacos comes along and is ready,, he can kick goals, he's got good skills and he can pinch hit in the midfield. We need to find forwards that can play midfield and not midfielders who play forward such as De goey and Broomhead.

Only negative is he can go missing. But so could varcoe, Howe and Aish and we have done okay with them. Id back us in.

Downhill skier. Reminds me of Motlop. Hate him.

 

[go the dogs]

We paid our 1st and 3rd pick for an ageing Darren Jolly in 2009. It was a pretty savvy investment if a premiership shot is your go.

Except that Darren Jolly was putting up Career best numbers in his final season at Sydney, Cloke on the other hand..

What i was going to say. He played 20 odd games averaging 30 hitouts. definitely didn't get dropped 3 time throughout the year.

 

[datwhitey]

That's what it's going to take but then you guys think you will get a former number 4 pick who is 23 for a 2nd round pick. Some people are delusional. I wont post here again sorry guys

Apologies go the dogs, you have been respectful and deserve a little more respect than you have been shown. Please don't assume that we are all as difficult to converse with!

 

[Unknown Identity]

Not exactly earth shattering. Averaged 12 disposals a game and 31 hit-outs. Anyway, yes Cloke's form has been mediocre but a team who will take him on would do so on the basis that if he regains his touch after an off year or is a link man running up the wing who could make a significant difference.

In any case I'm not saying first round, I'm saying drop 10 notches in an even draft and be compensated for that by Cloke.

Goldstein only averages 14 disposals and 38 hitouts but he's the 2nd best ruck in the competition, Jolly was in great form which continued over in his time with Collingwood.

No problems with your scenario of dropping 10 notches in the draft, but using Jolly as the yardstick isn't comparing apples with apples.

 

[Chrispiesssss]

What i was going to say. He played 20 odd games averaging 30 hitouts. definitely didn't get dropped 3 time throughout the year.

Stick around mate. sometimes bringing some supporters back to ground is good.

I value Cloke similar to what Lake was before his time at Hawthorn. Only difference is that Cloke already won a premiership- that plays a part.

 

[Old Spice]

What i was going to say. He played 20 odd games averaging 30 hitouts. definitely didn't get dropped 3 time throughout the year.

I understand that and as per my previous post Jolly wasn't rocking the comp at the time but was definitely a major step-up for the Pies whose ruck stocks had been ordinary for a long time.

That's what the Dogs have to decide. I don't buy the tyre kicking Cloke is a lemon argument. You think he's worth investing in because he's a fixer upper with some very fine attributes, including motor. The steering is a bit wonky, needs a tune up etc.

I think he could fill a vital role for the Dogs and a 10 spot drop I don't think is outlandish at all.

 

[Kilmo]

That's what it's going to take but then you guys think you will get a former number 4 pick who is 23 for a 2nd round pick. Some people are delusional. I wont post here again sorry guys

Who are you referring to as the number four pick?

 

[PicaBoo]

Not when you know people that live there

Those in Amsterdam say it is great. Those outside say it is crap. The majority of Holland can't be wrong.

 

[Chrispiesssss]

Who are you referring to as the number four pick?

WHE

 

[Old Spice]

Goldstein only averages 14 disposals and 38 hitouts but he's the 2nd best ruck in the competition, Jolly was in great form which continued over in his time with Collingwood.

No problems with your scenario of dropping 10 notches in the draft, but using Jolly as the yardstick isn't comparing apples with apples.

Jolly had a better year in 2009 than he did either side of that. Which I think goes to show you shouldn't make valuations on one year.

I didn't compare the trade as in lockstep with Cloke. Jolly got our first pick (14 from memory) and then pick 46ish. Clearly that's a higher price for a player in better form - a first and a 3rd rounder. than what I'm suggesting around Cloke (a moderate draft drop). The comparison I make with Cloke and Jolly is on age, ability and filling a key position which is vital to the team, possibly a flag.

What I'm saying is drop some cogs down the draft order in an even draft for a player who - on a broader view - is a good player. If the Dogs thought he was done altogether why waste any pick at all? They see potential, clearly. And as I said in an earlier post, the wage is an instrument here too.

 

[Bay Pie]

What would Richmond's 2nd round pick be 23 ish?
That and a later swap of picks might get it done

Sounds good, but unfortunately they traded it in 2015. No 2016 2nd rounder for them. Additionally on the Bulldogs, with Redpath going down with a knee, he'll miss a massive chunk of 2017 and likely not get back to near his mediocre best. Murphy, M.Boyd and Morris are all getting extremely close to the end. An inform Cloke gives them a very good shot. Personally, I'd like to keep Cloke but think he's looking for some late career stability with a longer term contract than what we're willing to offer.

Do Essendon seek a ruck btw? Looneyburger is a casualty ward and Bellchambers seems fairly mediocre.

They indicated they are looking for a developing ruck but as they have the no.1 PSD pick and Witts is uncontracted, if Essendon want him and if Witts wants them, we're ****ed.

I'd think so now that he's had another set back with injuring his groin. Before that it was probably looking like an earlier pick. Not sure I have faith in our medical staff in turning his injuries around at this point in time.

Injuring his groin you say......yes.

 

[Unknown Identity]

There are rumours that despite his excellent season, Sicily may be pushed out of Hawthorn due to Roughead's hopeful return and the fact tehy want to focus on Burton due to hs ridiculously high potential. If we could sort out a deal with Sicily for Cloke and some pick swaps perhaps also then I'm definitely in.

If Sicily was attainable i would be all over him like a fat kid on cake..

BIG fan of Sicily and i project him to be like the albino Gunston.

 

[go the dogs]

I understand that and as per my previous post Jolly wasn't rocking the comp at the time but was definitely a major step-up for the Pies whose ruck stocks had been ordinary for a long time.

That's what the Dogs have to decide. I don't buy the tyre kicking Cloke is a lemon argument. You think he's worth investing in because he's a fixer upper with some very fine attributes, including motor. The steering is a bit wonky, needs a tune up etc.

I think he could fill a vital role for the Dogs and a 10 spot drop I don't think is outlandish at all.

It would depend where the dogs and pies end up if we go out 1st week of finals and you guys end up 11th then that is 14 spots without taking into account academies and father sons. Could end up around 16/17 which could be something like pick 11 for Cloke and 28ish which in my opinion is overs.

 

[Old Spice]

If Sicily was attainable i would be all over him like a fat kid on cake..

BIG fan of Sicily and i project him to be like the albino Gunston.

Albino Gunston? Gunston already looks like a plucked chicken that's been in the henhouse too long. Boy oh boy.

 

[Matt_352]

Sicily would be a fooking sweeet pick up

 

[TradeDraft]

I want McCarthy as a player but not as a person. Kid is a stain on professional football.

Why you say That?

 

[Soups]

Those in Amsterdam say it is great. Those outside say it is crap. The majority of Holland can't be wrong.

Yeah no doubt. Especially when only 5% of people smoke.

I liken it to the Gold Coast. If you live in there you probably actually like it. Anywhere else, you never want to be near the place.

 

[Matt_352]

Why you say That?

Not honouring the contract with GWS

 

[Anzacday]

Apologies go the dogs, you have been respectful and deserve a little more respect than you have been shown. Please don't assume that we are all as difficult to converse with!

Stick around mate. sometimes bringing some supporters back to ground is good.

I value Cloke similar to what Lake was before his time at Hawthorn. Only difference is that Cloke already won a premiership- that plays a part.

Well done, we have a reputation of being a friendly board and these sorts of posts will help foster that.
He/she posted with respect and you treated them with respect.
If you don't agree with a posters view by all means say that.
No need to be rude about it though.

On the other hand if a poster is rude, report them 'cos I wanna see how this shiny new hammer works

 

[Apex36]

That's what it's going to take but then you guys think you will get a former number 4 pick who is 23 for a 2nd round pick. Some people are delusional. I wont post here again sorry guys

I'm dubious about Cloke being worth a first rounder, but in regards to WHE, what has he actually done in his 5 year career besides be injured and mediocre? Look at his career stats, they're awful. Small flashes of brilliance on an inconsistent basis and being a former pick 4 aren't enough to warrant significant currency. Cloke at least is a former AA who despite being in poor form this year, was averaging enough goals per game last year to have kicked 50 if he hadn't been injured.

 

[DRIZZT]

Well done, we have a reputation of being a friendly board and these sorts of posts will help foster that.
He/she posted with respect and you treated them with respect.
If you don't agree with a posters view by all means say that.
No need to be rude about it though.

On the other hand if a poster is rude, report them 'cos I wanna see how this shiny new hammer works

Ive just reported this post for "blatant gloating"...
Swing that hammer anzac

 

[dansa]

Don't come here and make bullshit offers of shit. You want him then cough up your 1st.

I would be flabbergasted if the Dogs gave up their first pick for Cloke.
Their 2nd pick is closer to the mark. Maybe with a swap of other picks.

 

[dansa]

Only suggested Jong as Collingwood is obviously. He is getting a game in a side that will play finals Cloke not getting a game in a side that will finish on around 9 wins. ( not trying to be smart just saying) Don't no how you guys want a 1st pick for some1 that is 29 and isn't even getting a game. Thought i could have a decent discussion but obviously not so i shall leave.

Your trade scenario is probably not far off the mark.
More realistic than many I've read. Don't be put off by the one eyed precious types.