Collins Out!!!!

[Snoozer]

About time there was a push to get rid of this parasite.

He has a clear conflict of interest with Telstra Dome, and Carlton home games there. All he seems competent at is handballing blame on John Elliott.

Jesus Christ Collo.... show a bit of charisma and pep instead of being a stony, ashenfaced sad case... because unfortunately its a reflection on how things are at Optus Oval at the moment.

 

[Silvagnis]

Another positive post from Snoozer who should take his whinging elsewhere.

He does need to show more personality but if this deal comes off he deserves the praise for putting us back on our feet.

Go and barrack for Richmond if you want to take cheap shots!

 

[Blue70]

About time there was a push to get rid of this parasite.

He has a clear conflict of interest with Telstra Dome, and Carlton home games there. All he seems competent at is handballing blame on John Elliott.

Jesus Christ Collo.... show a bit of charisma and pep instead of being a stony, ashenfaced sad case... because unfortunately its a reflection on how things are at Optus Oval at the moment.

Look I think Collo was a good alternative to Elliot at the time however I am starting to question my decision to remove the previous board. All we ever hear about is the perilous financial situation the club is in. There are guys on the board worth hundreds of millions (Mathiesons, Smorgons, Valmorbida's etc..) why cant they come up with something that assists us financially (even if it was an interest free loan). In addition we are never going to generate any corporate interest whilst there is the constant cloud of doom and gloom sitting over the club. This is the message that we are currently getting.

We need someone to lead the club who has charisma, enery and someone who is able to push out a positive message and generate enthusiasm and momentum......Perhaps it is time to consider and alternative.

 

[Funkalicous]

Another positive post from Snoozer who should take his whinging elsewhere.

He does need to show more personality but if this deal comes off he deserves the praise for putting us back on our feet.

Go and barrack for Richmond if you want to take cheap shots!

Ease up, Amigo. I actually agree with Snoozer to an extent. IMO, Collo and his mary men have done little to repair our great club. How many sponsers have we lost under his watch? What about his short-sighted view of leaving Princes' Park, and thus abandoning the social club? There are questions. There are always questions. But I think the time has come that we now must ask them.

 

[mikeythemoocow]

I concure

 

[Silvagnis]

Snoozer is always negative and needs to chill more than myself.

I don't think we have lost many sponsors but gained K & S as a short sponsor and Dan Murphy's is now joint Major sponsor with Optus. Optuc took a reduced contract since they were no longer the ground sponsor.

Admittedly we've struggled to find a ball sponsor and coaches sponsor, but that's as much due to the fact we're crap as Collo's leadership. We had to leave Princes Park if we want the club to become as big as the Pies and the Bombers, so I don't see the problem with leaving PP.

The question should be why we didn't move to the G?

I seem to recall reports the AFL wouldn't pay us $3 million dollars if the board had chosen the offer from the MCC.

 

[Funkalicous]

Don't fall for media fodder all the time guys.

Likewise, don't believe everything you hear in a press conference.

People have a habit of judging a book by its cover. The CEO only needs to say words like "business model" and "financial strategy" and people will believe that everything is rosey. Ofcourse, that's the whole point in the first place.

Smoke and mirrors. - A good business is build on them.

 

[HBF]

For what it's worth, i believe Collo was the right person for the job at the time 3 years ago. He has the ability to make the tough decisions in relation to the club, and has managed to reduce our debt from $11M to $7M in 3 years.

I have stated elsewhere that I would like to see him continue until the club is almost debt free, when a younger, energetic person could take over (Greg Lee).

We have to be patient people, whilst we have all accepted that the on field performances will take time, so will the off field.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Ian Collins is a Carlton guy,
and given his experience,
a good Carlton pawn,

sorry too drnk to type

 

[murphster]

Snoozer is always negative and needs to chill more than myself.

I don't think we have lost many sponsors but gained K & S as a short sponsor and Dan Murphy's is now joint Major sponsor with Optus. Optuc took a reduced contract since they were no longer the ground sponsor.

Admittedly we've struggled to find a ball sponsor and coaches sponsor, but that's as much due to the fact we're crap as Collo's leadership. We had to leave Princes Park if we want the club to become as big as the Pies and the Bombers, so I don't see the problem with leaving PP.

The question should be why we didn't move to the G?

I seem to recall reports the AFL wouldn't pay us $3 million dollars if the board had chosen the offer from the MCC.

The Pies are now big because they have a proactive salesman as there president not a reactive one that is to busy spruiking Telstra Dome to bother with the troublesome job of Running Carlton, as for the 3 million we wouldn't get from the AFL if we moved to the MCG that was just a concoction so Collo wouldn't look bad when we moved to Collo's Dome.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

The Pies are now big because they have a proactive salesman as there president not a reactive one that is to busy spruiking Telstra Dome to bother with the troublesome job of Running Carlton, as for the 3 million we wouldn't get from the AFL if we moved to the MCG that was just a concoction so Collo wouldn't look bad when we moved to Collo's Dome.

Considering we hear more from Collins in regard to Carlton that we do about the Dome, I'd say you are taking liberties with the truth here. There is no doubt Collo has spent a great deal of time on Carlton's problems but they are deep seated and they are not issues we would want to publicise too much.

Lobby for a change of president if you wish, it is every member's right and I do not object to the change. However, blind criticism about the only man capable of overthrowing Jack and thus giving us a fighting chance of survival, a man who gives his time voluntarily, a man who made some tough decisions that have made him extremely unpopular amongst the players, a man who suffered a heart attack while in office ... well let's just say it is a little disrespectful.

There is a time for change and if it isn't here, it isn't far off but frankly history may show Collins as a saviour of the Carlton football club.

Those that now think we should have left Jack in charge are forgetting something. Jack was intending to be over the salary cap forever and a day, the contracts were already in place to breach by another million dollars. The debt was already there but it was being hidden. The fact that Collo has revealed the debt doesn't mean that he created the debt.

Sure Jack may have kept the wolves from the door by getting bankrolled by high flyers here and there, he may have gone to court to stop the draft penalties initially but eventually we would have had our licence removed and been kicked out of the competition. The AFL wouldn't tolerate a rebel for too long. It seems some were content to carry on scheming, cheating, anything that kept us on top. One thing I am happy about now is that we are the cleanest club in the comp, the AFL have access to our books all the time and are happy with the way we are trying to right the ship. We are no longer morally and ethically bankrupt at least.

 

[murphster]

Considering we hear more from Collins in regard to Carlton that we do about the Dome, I'd say you are taking liberties with the truth here. There is no doubt Collo has spent a great deal of time on Carlton's problems but they are deep seated and they are not issues we would want to publicise too much.

Lobby for a change of president if you wish, it is every member's right and I do not object to the change. However, blind criticism about the only man capable of overthrowing Jack and thus giving us a fighting chance of survival, a man who gives his time voluntarily, a man who made some tough decisions that have made him extremely unpopular amongst the players, a man who suffered a heart attack while in office ... well let's just say it is a little disrespectful.

There is a time for change and if it isn't here, it isn't far off but frankly history may show Collins as a saviour of the Carlton football club.

Those that now think we should have left Jack in charge are forgetting something. Jack was intending to be over the salary cap forever and a day, the contracts were already in place to breach by another million dollars. The debt was already there but it was being hidden. The fact that Collo has revealed the debt doesn't mean that he created the debt.

Sure Jack may have kept the wolves from the door by getting bankrolled by high flyers here and there, he may have gone to court to stop the draft penalties initially but eventually we would have had our licence removed and been kicked out of the competition. The AFL wouldn't tolerate a rebel for too long. It seems some were content to carry on scheming, cheating, anything that kept us on top. One thing I am happy about now is that we are the cleanest club in the comp, the AFL have access to our books all the time and are happy with the way we are trying to right the ship. We are no longer morally and ethically bankrupt at least.

Publicising our problems seems to be the only thing he does do, to attract money and support you need positives not dwelling on the problems and bagging the players and Elliot everytime he holds a press conference. When Collingwood where down Eddie promoted the hell out of the positives and hid the negatives as best he could which is the basis for any business, family or entity trying to grow, you don't air dirty laundry in public, everytime he mentions Kouta's contract or the incompetence of the players other clubs rub there hands with glee while our players get there backs up. People blame Pagan for the players not having any club spirit and not playing for the jumper but when they get harangued in the media by there own President what can we expect, it creates divisions and resentment not unity and a desire to do it for the club which is what we need for on field success and off field success. A business plan is fine and dandy but destroying unity from within is what will kill the club.
Maybe what we need is someone to run the business side and someone else say a Vice President to be the face of the club and to handle the marketing and the promotion of the club. Elliott was very good at promoting the club and keeping the brand out there but obviously not so good at running the business side where as with Collins it is reversed so maybe we need 2 people with 2 different strengths or find one person with both like Eddie McGuire. We can continue to argue about who is to blame or we can find the right person or persons to guide us into the future because right now we are achieving nothing and neither Collins or Elliott is the right man for the job. Maybe when we had both of them it was the right mix but by themselves it is not.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Publicising our problems seems to be the only thing he does do, to attract money and support you need positives not dwelling on the problems and bagging the players and Elliot everytime he holds a press conference.

Most of our problems have been outed by the media. The fact that Collins talks about them after that is not an issue. He can either come out and lie and say the problem does not exist or he can be transparent, admit the problem and then try to find a solution. The supporters have bagged the players from pillar to post. For Collo to come out and say that the players are doing well and we should expect success, would be ridiculous. We would be saying we are sick of him sugar coating everything. Really, he is damned whichever way he goes so he might as well go with his belief to maintain honesty. His belief is that our players do not give an honest account of themselves and I have to say that most of the time, he is right.

Which positives do you think Collo should be concentrating on? Our advertising highlights our young hopefuls and our great history ... what else is there?

Nobody is going to believe a fairytale.

People blame Pagan for the players not having any club spirit and not playing for the jumper but when they get harangued in the media by there own President what can we expect, it creates divisions and resentment not unity and a desire to do it for the club which is what we need for on field success and off field success. A business plan is fine and dandy but destroying unity from within is what will kill the club.

This does not take away from the fact that Collo was the president we had to have, just in the nick of time. He does have to step aside as we move forward. The only reason I believe he hasn't done so yet is because of our delicate financial position. He is a numbers man after all.

We need vibrant ideas and a positive attitude coming out of the club that is for sure but whoever takes over has to be capable of sticking to the financial plan as well. If we get someone who thinks we have to spend money we don't have to make money, we might end up back where we started in 2003.

I am not a particular fan of Collo but I will look at him with gratitude in future years.

 

[murphster]

Most of our problems have been outed by the media. The fact that Collins talks about them after that is not an issue. He can either come out and lie and say the problem does not exist or he can be transparent, admit the problem and then try to find a solution. The supporters have bagged the players from pillar to post. For Collo to come out and say that the players are doing well and we should expect success, would be ridiculous. We would be saying we are sick of him sugar coating everything. Really, he is damned whichever way he goes so he might as well go with his belief to maintain honesty. His belief is that our players do not give an honest account of themselves and I have to say that most of the time, he is right.

Which positives do you think Collo should be concentrating on? Our advertising highlights our young hopefuls and our great history ... what else is there?

Nobody is going to believe a fairytale.

This does not take away from the fact that Collo was the president we had to have, just in the nick of time. He does have to step aside as we move forward. The only reason I believe he hasn't done so yet is because of our delicate financial position. He is a numbers man after all.

We need vibrant ideas and a positive attitude coming out of the club that is for sure but whoever takes over has to be capable of sticking to the financial plan as well. If we get someone who thinks we have to spend money we don't have to make money, we might end up back where we started in 2003.

I am not a particular fan of Collo but I will look at him with gratitude in future years.

If Collins has nothing positive to say he is better off saying nothing at all. I never said Collins wasn't a good money man in fact quite the opposite but without someone out in front being positive he won't have any money to manage. As i said we need someone else as the face of the club with Collins handling the financials we don't necessarially need to oust Collins right now but we do need someone to take over the responsibility of promoting and fronting the club. By the way bad choice of phrase with "the president we had to have", to many bad memories from that one, for those that don't know what i am talking about one Paul Keating once said and i quote "This is the recession Australia had to have." if we are heading down that road we are in more trouble than i thought.
By the way nice selective quoting sure your not a journalist.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

By the way bad choice of phrase with "the president we had to have", to many bad memories from that one, for those that don't know what i am talking about one Paul Keating once said and i quote "This is the recession Australia had to have." if we are heading down that road we are in more trouble than i thought.

We needed a number cruncher and we needed a headkicker. Comparing him to a recession is pretty much saying it is all bad. If we put another visionary in there, they may not have tightened the belt and consolidated the debt in time. We were on the verge on collapse despite immediate action to reel in the debt.

By the way nice selective quoting sure your not a journalist.

I missed a paragraph off the end of your post because I had already addressed it. Not sure what you are referring to here. If you want me to expand on something, I'd be happy to.

btw I edited my post because I stuffed up the quote codes and then edited yours so it made sense. I also took out the 'i' in front of where I wrote 'gratitude', in your quote. Not sure how it got there ... almost looked like ingratitude.

 

[murphster]

We needed a number cruncher and we needed a headkicker. Comparing him to a recession is pretty much saying it is all bad. If we put another visionary in there, they may not have tightened the belt and consolidated the debt in time. We were on the verge on collapse despite immediate action to reel in the debt.

I missed a paragraph off the end of your post because I had already addressed it. Not sure what you are referring to here. If you want me to expand on something, I'd be happy to.

btw I edited my post because I stuffed up the quote codes and then edited yours so it made sense. I also took out the 'i' in front of where I wrote 'gratitude', in your quote. Not sure how it got there ... almost looked like ingratitude.

Last two quotes where jokes not meant to be serious just trying to put some levity into the debate, hence the winks at the end. By the way you still haven't joined my Herald Sun Super Coach League so hurry up as i want quality teams to play against.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I am so bad at remembering to do those things. Every single free footy tips or fantasy comps I have started in, I have forgotten to put it in by about week three. I only complete the footy tipping at work because it costs me money ... and I am the organiser.

Even forgot to do the BF votes for the NAB cup a couple of weeks ago. I don't know how I remember where I work everyday.

The spot is better reserved for someone who has the dedication to do it justice.

 

[Funkalicous]

I am so bad at remembering to do those things. Every single free footy tips or fantasy comps I have started in, I have forgotten to put it in by about week three. I only complete the footy tipping at work because it costs me money ... and I am the organiser.

Even forgot to do the BF votes for the NAB cup a couple of weeks ago. I don't know how I remember where I work everyday.

The spot is better reserved for someone who has the dedication to do it justice.

Lol. I know the feeling. I'm already in 2 FF leagues and 2 tipping comps. And that's not to mention the NRL comps.

Last year all I had was 1 FF league, and I quit that half way through the season as I got so caught up in my uni work.

You know who's to blame though? All the footy teams for naming their squads on a Thursday night. 24 hours is insufficient time for me. Especially when all my projects are due in on a Friday.

 

[murphster]

I am so bad at remembering to do those things. Every single free footy tips or fantasy comps I have started in, I have forgotten to put it in by about week three. I only complete the footy tipping at work because it costs me money ... and I am the organiser.

Even forgot to do the BF votes for the NAB cup a couple of weeks ago. I don't know how I remember where I work everyday.

The spot is better reserved for someone who has the dedication to do it justice.

No problem i know what you mean, especially with this one as you have to pick a whole side every week and do trades, if you change your mind though there is plenty of room. Anyway have a good weekend. Go Blues!!!!!

 

[murphster]

Lol. I know the feeling. I'm already in 2 FF leagues and 2 tipping comps. And that's not to mention the NRL comps.

Last year all I had was 1 FF league, and I quit that half way through the season as I got so caught up in my uni work.

You know who's to blame though? All the footy teams for naming their squads on a Thursday night. 24 hours is insufficient time for me. Especially when all my projects are due in on a Friday.

You Queenslanders i don't know, you better not drop out on me Funky i need teams badly and everyone is to busy so i am counting on you, drop a subject this is much more important than Education.

 

[Snoozer]

Cypher, at no stage can you tell me that my comments are wrong. You can tell me to be positive all you want, but where's the debate factor in that?? I'm not gonna post something here that everyone will crack a fat over and over-inflate some players ego when it's undeserved.

Isn't that what bigfooty is all about, posting your opinions and giving the next joker the right of reply?? Why the f*** would you want everything on these boards to be all rosy?? Maybe if a few more guys made a few more inflammatory comments every now and then, the Carlton board would be a bit more entertaining. We need people who tell it like it really is... not this sugar-coated 'positive' tripe that everyone is sick to death of.

Oh, let's all make a daisy chain and join hands in a big circle with all the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow crap.

 

[Silvagnis]

Cypher, at no stage can you tell me that my comments are wrong. You can tell me to be positive all you want, but where's the debate factor in that?? I'm not gonna post something here that everyone will crack a fat over and over-inflate some players ego when it's undeserved.

Isn't that what bigfooty is all about, posting your opinions and giving the next joker the right of reply?? Why the f*** would you want everything on these boards to be all rosy?? Maybe if a few more guys made a few more inflammatory comments every now and then, the Carlton board would be a bit more entertaining. We need people who tell it like it really is... not this sugar-coated 'positive' tripe that everyone is sick to death of.

Does calling like it is cover calling our President a parasite?

Oh, let's all make a daisy chain and join hands in a big circle and all the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow crap.

No thanks, you're not my type.

 

[Snoozer]

Does calling like it is cover calling our President a parasite?

Parasite was probably was under-selling it a fraction. Fact is we'd be better off with someone more dynamic in his place.

 

[RedWhite&Blue]

Collins Out!!!

That sounds great. He is a depressing blight on the football landscape.
The sooner he dissappears the better.
How he got away with denying Chris Grant a brownlow I will never know.

 

[mojo31]

I have edited some of the last few posts on this thread.

Snoozer I dont see why you need to resort to some of the things you say. Critisize and say what you want but keep it clean please.