Concussion

[Slippery Pete]

Warrior for freedom, but only has hypothetical scenarios, sad.

Is everything alright mate?

Maybe come off the gaming forums, meet a nice girl. She might have some friends you can hang out with too. It’ll do you the world of good. I’m here to help.

 

[WetCrow1991]

Is everything alright mate?

Maybe come off the gaming forums, meet a nice girl. She might have some friends you can hang out with too. It’ll do you the world of good. I’m here to help.

Cool deflection, but I'm married. Though if I weren't I certainly wouldn't take dating advice from a guy with a disease riddled sex pest as their avatar picture.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Cool deflection, but I'm married.

She deserves an award of some kind

 

[Crow till I die]

But the entire issue is about the 12 days...that is what the controversy is about. If you’re gonna argue duty of care, at least have the hard evidence to back up the 12 day protocol.

There isn’t any, it’s an arbitrarily plucked figure based on nothing other than the appearance of doing something.

I wonder what the legal eagles have been advising the AFL here. You would have to think they have run the entire process through their top people to protect themselves whilst still being in a position to offer a product. Maybe the question is after the mandatory 12 days off they have set, who then takes responsibility for the concussed player returning to the field? The clubs and their own medico's would want to be pretty sure they are not doing the wrong thing there

 

[Red mist]

I wonder what the legal eagles have been advising the AFL here. You would have to think they have run the entire process through their top people to protect themselves whilst still being in a position to offer a product. Maybe the question is after the mandatory 12 days off they have set, who then takes responsibility for the concussed player returning to the field? The clubs and their own medico's would want to be pretty sure they are not doing the wrong thing there

The AFL legal eagles told them to get prepped for the first wave of pocket liners.
By all means look after the player.

 

[Crow till I die]

It’s a gold mine for Litigation more than anything. Take too many hits then there will be a line up for representatives to take one to the promise land while lining their pocket.

Its no wonder paddy mccartin was not picked up by any of the AFL clubs..he is a guy i could see going that route one day with his history of concussions and anyone not involved in his career best avoid being possibly dragged in.

 

[Red mist]

Its no wonder paddy mccartin was not picked up by any of the AFL clubs..he is a guy i could see going that route one day with his history of concussions and anyone not involved in his career best avoid being possibly dragged in.

The guy that took mark of the year up in Brisbane,? Got a million settlement for his effects from head knocks.
We’ve got Sam Shaw and Scott Stevens. There’s loads.
I think Sam might have got some coin from AFLPA repat fund, not sure.
Anyway there is going to be increasing claims

 

[Crow till I die]

The guy that took mark of the year up in Brisbane,? Got a million settlement for his effects from head knocks.
We’ve got Sam Shaw and Scott Stevens. There’s loads.
I think Sam might have got some coin from AFLPA repat fund, not sure.
Anyway there is going to be increasing claims

Sean smith?

 

[Red mist]

Sean smith?

Yeah that guy. Giant precedent

 

[Red mist]

Sean smith?

Also the AFL used up all that coin cos of covid last year. The coin for concussions

 

[John Who]

I think when it comes to increasing concussions, understanding of concussions, and legal claims on concussions, the AFL has no real choice but to play it more cautious to minimise legal payouts for future concussions.

Some cases of concussion may be on the very minor end of the scale, and in the past, players would play on the following week and not necessarily suffer any long-term repercussions. However, concussion is still not an exact science and plenty more studies and cases need to still be further evaluated.

Is the current mandatory 12-day break the right period of prevention further brain damage? Is it too long or perhaps too short? Who really knows! Though I can see a point that it's likely more safer having 2 weeks off than 1 week off.

 

[mistylake]

3 or 4 articles today on adelaidenow. I'm sick of hearing about it. The AFL seems to bear the brunt for what is a total personal choice. I was concussed half a dozen times during my time playing footy, plus shoulder dislocations and other injuries that cause my 49 year old body ongoing discomfort. Why does nobody point fingers at Woodville South, Rosewater, St Peters, Pooraka etc? Why does the AFL bear the brunt of what is a personal choice to play a sport that feeds our need for combat or desire for $? It's pure bullshit.

Bacause it’s where the payday can be had. Of course it makes zero sense like anything else in this world. Always follow the money.

 

[mistylake]

But they won't. AFL is a workspace. Hope you can come to an agreement with your workplace when you lose an arm

' it's only a flesh wound'

Who is forcing them to play though. It’s their choice, if they don’t know the possibility of a serious injury by now, maybe they have no real brains to damage already.

 

[mistylake]

Yes

Should Tea Tree Gully be all their players mummies to and then insure them all for 20-30 million dollars each, to the point the clubs close due to crippling insurance premiums. I guess then the players might be safe from themselves.

 

[mistylake]

Duty of care doesn't have an expiry date whilst that duty is owed.

I don't claim to be the expert on how they selected 12 days, but what is clear is that the protocol is intended, presumably based on medical and legal advice, to be both meaningful medically and also taking reasonable steps to fulfil their duty of care.

My point is not about the appropriateness of 12 days, my point is that the AFL must do something, else be obliterated legally later on, and that the whole idea that grown adults should take responsibility for themselves is a load of rubbish that doesn't have a legal basis.

If you wanted to debate 12 days and say it should be 5 or 50, I don't care. The point is that this protocol is what the AFL is doing because they have a duty of care.

So your saying while it has no real medical basis it will cover their arse and pass the buck back to the player. Don’t you just love the way the law works, to save those at the top first.

 

[mattymac]

Alcohol, marijuana, concussion and Murdoch news......what could possibly go wrong?

Sounds like a life well lived.

Don't care about the Murdoch news bit. The ABC is no better these days in terms of bias. They've lowered their colours. So many opinion pieces disguised as "analysis".

 

[John Who]

So your saying while it has no real medical basis it will cover their arse and pass the buck back to the player. Don’t you just love the way the law works, to save those at the top first.

Where are you getting "it has not real medical basis"? Surely the AFL would have discussed with some medical experts on the field of concussion, or are you suggesting the AFL just pulled out a random number out of a hat?

 

[Apsaalooke]

Who is forcing them to play though. It’s their choice, if they don’t know the possibility of a serious injury by now, maybe they have no real brains to damage already.

Ex-footballer "I was young and stupid your honour. I heard a bit about this concussion thing but thought I was tough and it'd never happen to me. I wasn't good at anything else neither.
Now I can't remember my kid's names and it's tearing me up. Why didn't the doc stop me from playing too soon? They know more about it than I ever would"

Your Honour " There there son, We'll look after you"

 

[mistylake]

So your saying while it has no real medical basis it will cover their arse and pass the buck back to the player. Don’t you just love the way the law works, to save those at the top first.

Where are you getting "it has not real medical basis"? Surely the AFL would have discussed with some medical experts on the field of concussion, or are you suggesting the AFL just pulled out a random number out of a hat?

The latter based on something. Likely another secret formula like free agent compo.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Where are you getting "it has not real medical basis"? Surely the AFL would have discussed with some medical experts on the field of concussion, or are you suggesting the AFL just pulled out a random number out of a hat?

Concussion severity and return times not linked

Head of AFL Doctors Association and Hawthorn club doctor Michael Makdissi says the severity of head knocks cannot be linked to return time of players.

www.sen.com.au

Head of AFL Doctors Association and Hawthorn club doctor Michael Makdissi says the severity of head knocks cannot be linked to the return time of players.

“Players recover from concussions but the recovery is variable and what you see at the time of the injury doesn’t translate, or dictate, how quickly it’s going to recover,” he told SEN Breakfast.

“It can present really obviously at the time but recover unbelievably quickly and vice versa, it could be subtle at the time but take a long time to recover.

 

[John Who]

Concussion severity and return times not linked

Head of AFL Doctors Association and Hawthorn club doctor Michael Makdissi says the severity of head knocks cannot be linked to return time of players.

www.sen.com.au

Head of AFL Doctors Association and Hawthorn club doctor Michael Makdissi says the severity of head knocks cannot be linked to the return time of players.

“Players recover from concussions but the recovery is variable and what you see at the time of the injury doesn’t translate, or dictate, how quickly it’s going to recover,” he told SEN Breakfast.

“It can present really obviously at the time but recover unbelievably quickly and vice versa, it could be subtle at the time but take a long time to recover.

What you quoted is the same principle of any medical conditions, and that there are many shades of grey regarding degrees of symptoms and how quickly one can recover.

Take the cold/flu as a common condition most of us have experienced. You ask your doc "when can I return to work?"
He's going to give you a rough estimate of 1-3 days, based on educated guess work from a ton of medical experience and text books. How it translates to the real world, is that some can recover within literally hours after seeing the doc, and some can take 5-7 days to recover.

Unfortunately, medicine isn't exact science, where you can prove "1 +1 = 2." Knowing precisely when it's the most appropriate day to return will depend on indiviual cases of severity and trauma tolerance of individual brains.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

What you quoted is the same principle of any medical conditions, and that there are many shades of grey regarding degrees of symptoms and how quickly one can recover.

Take the cold/flu as a common condition most of us have experienced. You ask your doc "when can I return to work?"
He's going to give you a rough estimate of 1-3 days, based on educated guess work from a ton of medical experience and text books. How it translates to the real world, is that some can recover within literally hours after seeing the doc, and some can take 5-7 days to recover.

Unfortunately, medicine isn't exact science, where you can prove "1 +1 = 2." Knowing precisely when it's the most appropriate day to return will depend on indiviual cases of severity and trauma tolerance of individual brains.

... & even then don't know for sure the long term affects.

Setting a minimum 12 days recovery from concussion can't be a bad thing & can still make it longer where a player takes more time to recover.

Leaving it up to club doctors without a minimum days off may compromise players coming back earlier than they should.

 

[CrowInFiji]

So your saying while it has no real medical basis it will cover their arse and pass the buck back to the player. Don’t you just love the way the law works, to save those at the top first.

Unlike many on here I wouldn't be arrogant enough to claim to know what medical basis it may or may not rest upon - I'm not a doctor or in any type of allied health field.

You can think it stinks all you like but every person and every business should cover themselves legally as fully as possible- it just makes sense, it doesn't make a business evil to want to survive.