News Confirmed: Jack Frost elevated

[Lockyer24]

The Albino Fist.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Maybe they Elevated Frost as he Deserved it on how well he Played

Not so sure ot be honest.

I thought personally, over the entire NAB Series that Kyle Martin was the standout. But we have a plethora of mids. We have the best midfield in the competition, so what are the odds a rookie mid is going to be elevated over a key back and ruckman?

Neither Hudson or Frost were anywhere near as consistent as Martin, or frankly, as good as Martin, but Jolly, Reid and Brown are fragile as hell.

 

[DaVe86]

Jack Frost deserved it and he well and truly has earned his promotion. Martin and Dwyer also deserved it...as did Mooney.

Frost ultimately won out on a needs basis. But he would not have been promoted if he didnt earn his spot. He played a key defensive role and showed a real thirst for contact. He has good closing speed and he seemed to grow in confidence with ball in hand. With the full backline around him, he can grow into a very handy defender...even with Reid and Brown there as well.

It is unlucky for Dwyer in particular who is really on his last chance to play AFL footy. But it is not over for him. I have no doubt that another opportunity will present throughout the year. Both he and Martin have shown they are ready to go.

We'd have to have the strongest rookie list in the comp. Yagmoor and Mooney would also be decent promotions...and Hudson also got promoted.


Ultimately though, we need to get fitness into the likes of Thomas, Fasolo, Reid, Ball, Krakouer and Didak to win a flag this year.

 

[Copeland]

God its just so frustrating how many injuries we have already also considering how tough our season start is.

 

[TradeDraft]

Then with Frost getting the Promotion what does that mean for Hartley?

 

[blaze036]

Then with Frost getting the Promotion what does that mean for Hartley?

Hartley at the moment would be my first person cut from the list

 

[The Royal Sampler]

It doesn't mean anything for Hartley. Hartley is injured and wouldn't have been in consideration for promotion at this time. However he's a KP sized, quick, athletic defender and if he makes the grade in the VFL he'll be retained. His "type" don't grow on trees.

 

[blaze036]

It doesn't mean anything for Hartley. Hartley is injured and wouldn't have been in consideration for promotion at this time. However he's a KP sized, quick, athletic defender and if he makes the grade in the VFL he'll be retained. His "type" don't grow on trees.

It has to mean something because a young similar player has just taken his spot and pushed him further down the pecking order

 

[Wooljay]

It has to mean something because a young similar player has just taken his spot and pushed him further down the pecking order

With Maxwell retiring in the near future, doesn't hurt to keep a tall mobile defender on the list...

 

[TradeDraft]

Hartley at the moment would be my first person cut from the list

I would have Yagmoor ahead of being De-Listed then Hartley. Hartley looked good last season Pre-Shoulder Injury

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Marley is ahead of Yags currently, and there's everything to suggest retirees might make up the remainder. No need to get so trigger-happy, TradeDraft.

 

[blaze036]

I would have Yagmoor ahead of being De-Listed then Hartley. Hartley looked good last season Pre-Shoulder Injury

I think Yagmoor has shown FAR more than Hartley. Hartley seems to have a fairly dodgy shoulder and when he has played hasn't done too much. Was essentially drafted off 1 performance on patton

 

[blaze036]

With Maxwell retiring in the near future, doesn't hurt to keep a tall mobile defender on the list...

We will be keeping one, his name is jack frost

Oh and don't forget Corey Gault. Plus keefe reid and brown are all pretty young still

 

[Old Spice]

I hope Yagmoor can come good because his kicking is pretty good, so long as it stays okay under heat.

 

[blaze036]

I hope Yagmoor can come good because his kicking is pretty good, so long as it stays okay under heat.

True or myth?

He does do some great passes, but he does more than his fair share of shockers from what i've seen

 

[Obese Arachnid]

I think Yagmoor has shown FAR more than Hartley. Hartley seems to have a fairly dodgy shoulder and when he has played hasn't done too much. Was essentially drafted off 1 performance on patton

He was already on our NSW Scholarship list when he beat Patton.

 

[blaze036]

He was already on our NSW Scholarship list when he beat Patton.

We don't have to draft anyone on our NSW scholarship list

 

[Obese Arachnid]

We don't have to draft anyone on our NSW scholarship list

Correct but we already had him before he beat Patton. If you honestly think we drafted him just because he beat Patton, well.....

As for putting him in the gun now because of shoulder probs in the last 12 months, maybe Benny Broomhead might be starting to shit himself as you'll be calling for his head next.

I mean he was only drafted of 12 or so games & is now injured for at least 1/3 of his first season. Not only that he's shown nothing to this point. Delist I say!!

By the way how did Hartley get in the gun before JT??

 

[Chief Ten Beers]

Good on him, I really like this guy. He gave it a crack and got the reward.

 

[Tbone McGraw]

True or myth?

He does do some great passes, but he does more than his fair share of shockers from what i've seen

I think Peter's problem is not his kicking but lack of physicality. You need more than a decent kick to make it at afl.

Maybe wrong thread

 

[blaze036]

Correct but we already had him before he beat Patton. If you honestly think we drafted him just because he beat Patton, well.....

As for putting him in the gun now because of shoulder probs in the last 12 months, maybe Benny Broomhead might be starting to shit himself as you'll be calling for his head next.

I mean he was only drafted of 12 or so games & is now injured for at least 1/3 of his first season. Not only that he's shown nothing to this point. Delist I say!!

By the way how did Hartley get in the gun before JT??

There were numerous things in reference to the fact he got drafted largely on his performance against patton, obviously it wasn't the only reason he was drafted(he has some good attributes and was VERY cheap to pickup ect).
Some of his other performances in the under 18 championships were nothing to crow about and i'm fairly sure he wasn't drafted based on his performance playing for a local NSW footy team or his school.

Over a year of shoulder problems from a rookie list player vs an 8-10 week illness layoff to a potential future gun and pick 20... yes i see how their situations are the same and thus should be treated the same .

Three players in the gun in my opinion are JT yagmoor and hartley , all need to impress this season to keep their small chance of a successful career alive.

Maybe it's easier for you to handle if everyone just mindlessly says all of collingwoods young players are going to be stars

 

[Old Spice]

True or myth?

He does do some great passes, but he does more than his fair share of shockers from what i've seen

There's no truth about it or myth.

What you can say is that in a training environment, his kicking is very very good, but in the game situation (a small sample I might add) his skills have not levelled up to his capacity.

If he can acclimatise to AFL pressure, he would be a great asset in terms of his kicking. I'm hopeful because it's a need for us.

 

[Obese Arachnid]

There were numerous things in reference to the fact he got drafted largely on his performance against patton, obviously it wasn't the only reason he was drafted(he has some good attributes and was VERY cheap to pickup ect).
Some of his other performances in the under 18 championships were nothing to crow about and i'm fairly sure he wasn't drafted based on his performance playing for a local NSW footy team or his school.

Over a year of shoulder problems from a rookie list player vs an 8-10 week illness layoff to a potential future gun and pick 20... yes i see how their situations are the same and thus should be treated the same .

Three players in the gun in my opinion are JT yagmoor and hartley , all need to impress this season to keep their small chance of a successful career alive.

Maybe it's easier for you to handle if everyone just mindlessly says all of collingwoods young players are going to be stars

No I'm not a sycophant but I don't write players off just because of injury. Obviously when it gets to a situation like Ruzza (poor ole Ruzza) or Dicky then you have to bite the bullet.

N.Brown is travelling nicely, didn't you want him gone because of his knees & also because of his brothers too.

Hartley should not be put in this category yet. Also I think he has shown a bit in his few games (only saw one myself) & is worth persisting with ATM. He's not a star but I think he has quite good shut down capabilities.

If talking about spots on the list at the end of the year, I'd be more likely to say list movement will be created by retirements more than delistings.

However, it is far too EARLY to be making these calls, IMO.

 

[Obese Arachnid]

There's no truth about it or myth.

What you can say is that in a training environment, his kicking is very very good, but in the game situation (a small sample I might add) his skills have not levelled up to his capacity.

If he can acclimatise to AFL pressure, he would be a great asset in terms of his kicking. I'm hopeful because it's a need for us.

Exactly, not saying he's the man but it won't be long before clubs look for designated kickers, in fact I'd suggest this will become part of our vernacular in the not too distant future.

 

[blaze036]

No I'm not a sycophant but I don't write players off just because of injury. Obviously when it gets to a situation like Ruzza (poor ole Ruzza) or Dicky then you have to bite the bullet.

N.Brown is travelling nicely, didn't you want him gone because of his knees & also because of his brothers too.

Hartley should not be put in this category yet. Also I think he has shown a bit in his few games (only saw one myself) & is worth persisting with ATM. He's not a star but I think he has quite good shut down capabilities.

If talking about spots on the list at the end of the year, I'd be more likely to say list movement will be created by retirements more than delistings.

However, it is far too EARLY to be making these calls, IMO.

It is far too early to be making definitive calls on their careers yes, but not too early to have an opinion on what one thinks will happen.

Yes there was a time when i would of liked to see brown traded (if we could get someone suitable to replace him). But we will never know whether that hypothetical would of ended better or worse than what we currently have.

I'm not writing him off because of injury, i'm saying he is under the gun because of persistent injury and footballing ability combined. Having frost come onto the list and instantly pass him doesn't help either.