Toast Congratulations Josh Cowan

[Partridge]

Scott on Cowan: "yeah it's a little bit of a hiccup but when he's available I reckon he'll be pushing for afl selection such is the regard in which we hold him"

Read between the lines he's going nowhere so about time to drop this notion of getting rid of him at seasons end. It's a hammy ffs and we all saw how comfortable at afl level he was looking in those first 15 minutes. He's not going anywhere.

Scott may also think Menzel has two sound knees and that McCarthy has no issue with his feet either. He's also been full of praise for McIntosh too. Strangely enough we haven't seen him at senior level this year, despite being fit.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Scott may also think Menzel has two sound knees and that McCarthy has no issue with his feet either. He's also been full of praise for McIntosh too. Strangely enough we haven't seen him at senior level this year, despite being fit.

Thank the Lord you aren't our list manager. Seriously.

Dancing on Cowan's football grave after doing a hammy. Not to mention you'd gleefully boot Vardy, Menzel and Lincoln. More than likely being replaced with rubbish picks. Now that stunts development, injured players limit short term depth.

I've said all this year that if Vardy, Menzel or Cowan redo their problematic injuries then they're gone. This however is just a hamstring. Chill out.

Now given Scott refused to speculate on Selwood post match has it ever occurred to you that he passes comments on injured players after receiving an update from the medical staff??

Honestly doesn't concern me one bit if Menzel in particular does not play at senior level this season as a long as he is able to get through probably 4-8 VFL games without knee complications.

 

[Partridge]

Thank the Lord you aren't our list manager. Seriously.

You can thank all the imaginary friends you want for all I care.

Dancing on Cowan's football grave after doing a hammy. Not to mention you'd gleefully boot Vardy, Menzel and Lincoln. More than likely being replaced with rubbish picks. Now that stunts development, injured players limit short term depth.

Find a quote. Go for it. Particularly in the gameday thread, or any line along the lines of, oh I don't know, "Look everyone, I'm glad he's injured". Good luck finding that.

I actually wouldn't put Vardy in the category of the other three, as unlike them, he has injured his knee once; not multiple times.

I've said all this year that if Vardy, Menzel or Cowan redo their problematic injuries then they're gone. This however is just a hamstring. Chill out.

The problem isn't the one injury, it's the history of them that's the concern. He's consistently had problems with two parts of his body - hamstrings and Achilles. Seeing as he injured a hamstring 15 minutes into the first quarter, I wouldn't call it 'just' anything.

Now given Scott refused to speculate on Selwood post match has it ever occurred to you that he passes comments on injured players after receiving an update from the medical staff??

Really? Wow, that's enlightening. I would never have guessed that.

Honestly doesn't concern me one bit if Menzel in particular does not play at senior level this season as a long as he is able to get through probably 4-8 VFL games without knee complications.

It all depends on your outlook. If you want to keep perenially injured players who can't remain fit for long, or at all, there's no issue. If you would rather we had as many fit players as possible, it's a different story.

Personally, I'm of the view that long term injuries are always liable to occur at footy clubs, but you can't afford too many of them. Once you get more than one or two it becomes very risky to keep more. You could mount an argument that Menzel showed above average ability when fit, but it was a while ago now and he really needs to get out there. Vardy showed terrific glimpses, but not as much as Menzel, and again, he needs to get out there. For me, neither McCarthy nor Cowan have showed anywhere near enough to justify the faith (faith = belief in something without evidence) shown in them. So for Cowan, if he can't get out there at senior level, this season, and show something, then to paraphrase Abraham Lincoln, "the champagne and oysters on the Barwon must be stopped".

 

[Art Vandelay_]

You can thank all the imaginary friends you want for all I care.



Find a quote. Go for it. Particularly in the gameday thread, or any line along the lines of, oh I don't know, "Look everyone, I'm glad he's injured". Good luck finding that.

The problem isn't that it's one hamstring, it's the history of them that's the concern.



Really? Wow, that's enlightening. I would never have guessed that.



It all depends on your outlook. If you want to keep perenially injured players who can't remain fit for long, or at all, there's no issue. If you would rather we had as many fit players as possible, it's a different story.

Personally, I'm of the view that long term injuries are always liable to occur at footy clubs, but you can't afford too many of them. Once you get more than one or two it becomes very risky to keep more. You could mount an argument that Menzel showed above average ability when fit, but it was a while ago now and he really needs to get out there. Vardy showed terrific glimpses, but not as much as Menzel, and again, he needs to get out there. For me, neither McCarthy nor Cowan have showed anywhere near enough to justify the faith (faith = belief in something without evidence) shown in them. So for Cowan, if he can't get out there at senior level, this season, AND show something, then to paraphrase Abraham Lincoln, "the champagne and oysters on the Barwon must be stopped".

My outlook is different. We'd be replacing them with frankly crap players more than likely. We're better off with them barring another serious setback. A hamstring is not one of those setbacks.

Cowan to me looked as though he belonged on Friday night and again barring a serious injury he should be persisted with.

As for Menzel again I agree a knee injury and he's gone, wouldn't surprise me if the club didn't have to delist him as he'd simply beat them to it and retire.

Anyway we've gone through what nearly 4 years with him and if he doesn't injure his knee again but doesn't play at senior level we now cut our losses and say Ta Ta? Seems stupid to invest all that time in him and then when he's so close get rid of him. So put simply

knee = gone.
no knee = 2016

Why are we in any hurry to get rid of them anyway. Already lost Hartman. Enright and Hmac likely to retire. Possibility that Kelly and/or Johnson will join them. Rumours of Toohey having walked out (not to mention heart surgery).

It's simple. No serious reoccurrence of their injuries and they should stay.

 

[Daniel McL]

You can thank all the imaginary friends you want for all I care.



Find a quote. Go for it. Particularly in the gameday thread, or any line along the lines of, oh I don't know, "Look everyone, I'm glad he's injured". Good luck finding that.

I actually wouldn't put Vardy in the category of the other three, as unlike them, he has injured his knee once; not multiple times.



The problem isn't the one injury, it's the history of them that's the concern. He's consistently had problems with two parts of his body - hamstrings and Achilles. Seeing as he injured a hamstring 15 minutes into the first quarter, I wouldn't call it 'just' anything.



Really? Wow, that's enlightening. I would never have guessed that.



It all depends on your outlook. If you want to keep perenially injured players who can't remain fit for long, or at all, there's no issue. If you would rather we had as many fit players as possible, it's a different story.

Personally, I'm of the view that long term injuries are always liable to occur at footy clubs, but you can't afford too many of them. Once you get more than one or two it becomes very risky to keep more. You could mount an argument that Menzel showed above average ability when fit, but it was a while ago now and he really needs to get out there. Vardy showed terrific glimpses, but not as much as Menzel, and again, he needs to get out there. For me, neither McCarthy nor Cowan have showed anywhere near enough to justify the faith (faith = belief in something without evidence) shown in them. So for Cowan, if he can't get out there at senior level, this season, and show something, then to paraphrase Abraham Lincoln, "the champagne and oysters on the Barwon must be stopped".

Found it

 

[Bobby_]

Rumours of Toohey having walked out

I haven't heard this, has it been mentioned on here or something?

 

[Art Vandelay_]

I haven't heard this, has it been mentioned on here or something?

I was told by a pies fan on the soccer board who says he's a mutual friend that he's walked out. (After explaining to someone our KPD depth options) Combine that with minor heart surgery and he's hasn't been seen since. I'll believe it's possible until Toohey is sighted again.

I mean he hasn't been mentioned or sighted anywhere in the club for weeks has he not?

 

[Go Hoops]

Scott may also think Menzel has two sound knees and that McCarthy has no issue with his feet either. He's also been full of praise for McIntosh too. Strangely enough we haven't seen him at senior level this year, despite being fit.

When will it sink in that "Scott"is not the sole arbiter of who goes and who is retained. It is a collective decision. At least involving Wells, the Match Committee and Football Manager. Often the medicos. Perhaps even the leadership group on occasion. Your ignorance of how a club functions is only surpassed by your borderline hatred of the coach. You need help.

 

[Partridge]

When will it sink in that "Scott"is not the sole arbiter of who goes and who is retained. It is a collective decision. At least involving Wells, the Match Committee and Football Manager. Often the medicos. Perhaps even the leadership group on occasion. Your ignorance of how a club functions is only surpassed by your borderline hatred of the coach. You need help.

You obviously didn't read the parts this week specifically praising Scott for both moving Duncan back to his natural role (and admitting they erred in changing that earlier in the season), and for using Blicavs in the midfielder/third man up role over the last fortnight. Didn't see those comments? Thought not.

In any case, the issue is the continued trust in players whose long term viability must be questioned. That involves way more people than just the coach.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

When will it sink in that "Scott"is not the sole arbiter of who goes and who is retained. It is a collective decision. At least involving Wells, the Match Committee and Football Manager. Often the medicos. Perhaps even the leadership group on occasion. Your ignorance of how a club functions is only surpassed by your borderline hatred of the coach. You need help.

No no no It's all on Scott's head apparently around here

 

[Partridge]

No no no It's all on Scott's head apparently around here

One post up. The sentence you're looking for is "That involves way more people than just the coach."

 

[AM]

i just read this and thought of paul chapman, sorry

Ah! The return of the past-its-use-by-date poor old Chappy baloney raises its bald head once again.

The club re-contracted Chappy year after year. Thirteen on 'em I think.

After those thirteen years and approaching 32 the club offered him a deal whereby he would play some ones footy and some twos footy and as part of the arrangement mentor some of our up-and-comers. That was less inviting than he could get elsewhere so he and the club parted company. We've blooded young players and he's been a serviceable player for the Bombers. Seems to have worked out well for all concerned.

This is his 6th season on the list. He has played 4 senior games. Delisting him at the end of 2015 is most definitely not being impulsive. One could argue they have already been extraordinarily patient.

I was addressing the general question of how eminently sensible it is for the club to have a reputation as being player friendly. That extends to sticking shoulder-to -shoulder with players who are going through tough times, injury wise. Even if that covers an extended period. Self evident I would have thought.

As for Josh, the jury is out as to whether the clubs loyalty proves to be a prudent course of action. As I've said this is a crucial year. My guess is that if things don't pan out injury wise this year Josh will take the decision to move on with his life without the necessity for any encouragement from the club. Which would be disappointing for all concerned because he can play and is clearly rated and liked within the playing group.

 

[Teriyakicat]

Scott may also think Menzel has two sound knees and that McCarthy has no issue with his feet either. He's also been full of praise for McIntosh too. Strangely enough we haven't seen him at senior level this year, despite being fit.

Is that in reference to McIntosh?
He's gone for a month or so- was injured in the VFL the same weekend that Smedts did his collarbone. HMac had a cow, man ... or did a calf or something.

 

[Partridge]

Is that in reference to McIntosh?
He's gone for a month or so- was injured in the VFL the same weekend that Smedts did his collarbone. HMac had a cow, man ... or did a calf or something.

Yeah I saw he got injured. But remember he played all VFL games before that and it didn't look like there was any rush to play him.

 

[Teriyakicat]

Yeah I saw he got injured. But remember he played all VFL games before that and it didn't look like there was any rush to play him.

Yes, there wasn't a big rush. I expect that there would've been a plan to play certain ruckmen against particular opposition ruck match-ups and midfields, in a horses for courses manner. Or maybe first cab off the rank was Simpson, though not 100% fit, because of 211- then back to the VFL to gain a little fitness while Stanley was rushed back in to provide more agility around the ground. The MC probably had certain rucks pencilled in against particular teams, rotating their games out (unless they were particularly spectacular and demanded selection). Because HMac is prone to injury, he might have been least likely to play while Simpson/Stanley were going well, only to be called on if one or both was injured. I can't remember how he went in the preseason games- or even how many he played.
HMac had surgery to remove cartilage in the preseason, which might be why he was eased back into games, rather than subjected to the rigour of AFL straight away. it's a bloody shame for him that he broke down again when he was going so well in his first 2 VFL games.

http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au...premiership-push/story-fnjuhrxq-1227259128870

 

[Go Hoops]

One post up. The sentence you're looking for is "That involves way more people than just the coach."

Why do you sooften harangue him then? Apart from you not having a clue that is.

 

[Partridge]

Why do you sooften harangue him then? Apart from you not having a clue that is.

I don't make judgements on other posters, I know that much.

 

[Go Hoops]

I don't make judgements on other posters, I know that much.

Thank goodness seeing you are so wide of the mark on your assessment of club officials.

 

[Partridge]

Thank goodness seeing you are so wide of the mark on your assessment of club officials.

True, I was very wary of Cowan being rushed back, as there wasn't scintillating VFL form, he'd only had a couple of games, and with such a prolonged absence from senior football, you could query how durable he might be.

Very happy to be proven wrong. Looks like the medicos and selection committee nailed it.

 

[Teriyakicat]

True, I was very wary of Cowan being rushed back, as there wasn't scintillating VFL form, he'd only had a couple of games, and with such a prolonged absence from senior football, you could query how durable he might be.

Very happy to be proven wrong. Looks like the medicos and selection committee nailed it.

Do you know how long it was since he had surgery, Partridge? or any soft tissue injuries since surgery (I think he had one during the preseason but not sure if any others).
I think they waited long enough- he managed to get through 2 VFL games plus all the weeks prior to that, training etc. I'm sure if he'd had any tweaking or signs or soreness, they would not have risked him. They just would not have been so mean as to risk him after he waited so damn long just to get back on the park again.
Playing him in the AFL or VFL is irrelevant- the innocuous way his hammy pinged shows that it could've gone at any time- even pegging out his bloody washing.

EDIT- he had his second achilles surgery in late June last year.

 

[Go Hoops]

True, I was very wary of Cowan being rushed back, as there wasn't scintillating VFL form, he'd only had a couple of games, and with such a prolonged absence from senior football, you could query how durable he might be.

Very happy to be proven wrong. Looks like the medicos and selection committee nailed it.

They may well have nailed it. Thing is they know waaaaaaaay more than you will ever know. That isn't to say they are perfect just that they have the information at their disposal you don't have and the capacity to make judgements that know-all keyboard heroes don't have either.

 

[Partridge]

They may well have nailed it. Thing is they know waaaaaaaay more than you will ever know. That isn't to say they are perfect just that they have the information at their disposal you don't have and the capacity to make judgements that know-all keyboard heroes don't have either.

So ultimately your point is that fans don't know as much as the people at the club do? That's enlightening.

Extraordinary insight.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

True, I was very wary of Cowan being rushed back, as there wasn't scintillating VFL form, he'd only had a couple of games, and with such a prolonged absence from senior football, you could query how durable he might be.

Very happy to be proven wrong. Looks like the medicos and selection committee nailed it.

Could have very easily pinged the hammy in the VFL to be fair. Who could have played in his stead? GHS could have played but that's not like for like. The only other option I can see was Blease but he doesn't impress me at so far.

It's only a hammy at the end of the day. No need for panic or sarcasm. These things happen.

 

[Teriyakicat]

Could have very easily pinged the hammy in the VFL to be fair. Who could have played in his stead? GHS could have played but that's not like for like. The only other option I can see was Blease but he doesn't impress me at so far.

It's only a hammy at the end of the day. No need for panic or sarcasm. These things happen.

2-3 weeks. "A minor hiccup", according to Scott.

 

[Partridge]

Could have very easily pinged the hammy in the VFL to be fair. Who could have played in his stead? GHS could have played but that's not like for like. The only other option I can see was Blease but he doesn't impress me at so far.

It's only a hammy at the end of the day. No need for panic or sarcasm. These things happen.

I haven't expressed one iota of sarcasm towards Cowan. To other posters who enjoy taking potshots at me I'm absolutely going to return plenty of it.