Conspiracy..no doubt

[strategy]

Why are the Eagles the only AFL side being investigated re illegal goings on in their club ?
What is or was the association re Pratt and Demetriou and why hasnt Pratt been sacked from Carlton and the AFL ?
Why are the Eagles being named and other players and clubs not named re illegal activities ?

 

[kahuna71]

Dude, think a little harder...

Why are the Eagles the only AFL side being investigated re illegal goings on in their club ?
There are drug rumours floating about, certainly, but none as persistent, long-term and obvious as WC.


What is or was the association re Pratt and Demetriou and why hasnt Pratt been sacked from Carlton and the AFL ?
I haven't heard anything re. Dem and Pratt having a relationship? Do tell.

The reason the AFL has not sacked Pratt is because he does not work for them - how can they sack him? They cannot tell him to do a goddamm thing, unlike players who sign contracts with the AFL. Carlton won't sack him because he is loaded.

Why are the Eagles being named and other players and clubs not named re illegal activities ?[/QUOTE]
See question 1.

 

[True_Blue]

Why are the Eagles the only AFL side being investigated re illegal goings on in their club ?
What is or was the association re Pratt and Demetriou and why hasnt Pratt been sacked from Carlton and the AFL ?
Why are the Eagles being named and other players and clubs not named re illegal activities ?

That is an issue for the Carlton members not the afl

 

[Lance Uppercut]

riight

 

[Upgrayedd]

PR spin job, the other club in question with the injunction and many other clubs probably have about as much drug culture as the eagles, but why would happen if say essendon/richmond/carlton/collingwood got caught up in it? the media and the AFl wouldnt want that

 

[Frederlick]

PR spin job, the other club in question with the injunction and many other clubs probably have about as much drug culture as the eagles, but why would happen if say essendon/richmond/carlton/collingwood got caught up in it? the media and the AFl wouldnt want that

Of course it is a spin job, nothing to do with the fact that they have publicly and repeatedly made tools of themselves, assaulted members of the public, driven erratically and generally drawn the crabs like a Thai whore in the trenches. Of course there is a conspiracy.

 

[Donstuie]

Why are the Eagles the only AFL side being investigated re illegal goings on in their club ?
What is or was the association re Pratt and Demetriou and why hasnt Pratt been sacked from Carlton and the AFL ?
Why are the Eagles being named and other players and clubs not named re illegal activities ?

Guess you can ask that question about why Carlton were the only ones handed such serious (and probably never to be repeated) punishment for salary cap breaches when it's well known that a lot of other clubs *coughESSENDONcough* had long been doing the same thing and being allowed to get away with it. Shame we can't ask Mr Evans, who not only gleefully handed those punishments out, but also oversaw an era at his football club where they were caught doing the same thing, and got barely a slap on the wrist for their trouble...shame we can't ask him about that, or ask him why pies cost so much at the grounds, robbing thousands of hardworking football supporters blind, among other things...

The bell tolls for everyone at some point. The Eagles have had their chances to shape up, and haven't done so.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Guess you can ask that question about why Carlton were the only ones handed such serious (and probably never to be repeated) punishment for salary cap breaches when it's well known that a lot of other clubs *coughESSENDONcough* had long been doing the same thing and being allowed to get away with it. Shame we can't ask Mr Evans, who not only gleefully handed those punishments out, but also oversaw an era at his football club where they were caught doing the same thing, and got barely a slap on the wrist for their trouble...shame we can't ask him about that, or ask him why pies cost so much at the grounds, robbing thousands of hardworking football supporters blind, among other things...

The bell tolls for everyone at some point. The Eagles have had their chances to shape up, and haven't done so.

not very bright are you champ? Essendon got punished for salary cap breaches as well Don't let that stop you re-writing history and speaking ill of the dead, though

 

[Blue Dawn]

Why are the Eagles the only AFL side being investigated re illegal goings on in their club ?
What is or was the association re Pratt and Demetriou and why hasnt Pratt been sacked from Carlton and the AFL ?
Why are the Eagles being named and other players and clubs not named re illegal activities ?

You mean you really don't know!?

 

[Kitty]

Of course it is a spin job, nothing to do with the fact that they have publicly and repeatedly made tools of themselves, assaulted members of the public, driven erratically and generally drawn the crabs like a Thai whore in the trenches. Of course there is a conspiracy.

Is there a creature that is more prone to delusion than the average WC supporter?

 

[BK Eaglesfan]

Is there a creature that is more prone to delusion than the average WC supporter?

Shame the OP is a Bombers fan!

 

[clobba]

Is there a creature that is more prone to delusion than the average WC supporter?

A Carlton fan?

 

[sydney eagle]

A Carlton fan?

Or one who doesn't have the courage to list their club !

 

[Eggzoi]

Because whenever a rumour of someone doing something illegal comes up people here start to think of the Eagles, including many Eagle posters hoping it's nobody from their team.
We see parents/grandparents/players saying they wouldn't be overly happy about their offspring going there.
There have just been so many different small and large problems over the last few years that have all finally come to a head and the AFL has had enough.

 

[Donstuie]

not very bright are you champ? Essendon got punished for salary cap breaches as well Don't let that stop you re-writing history and speaking ill of the dead, though

Yes, I did mention the 'slap on the wrist', learn to read much? And I'll speak ill of the dead like I'd speak ill of the living if they did something underhanded and morally wrong. In this case, I'll speak ill of someone who oversaw a football club who broke AFL rules, then took the moral high ground when dishing out punishments to another club just because he had a grudge with their president. All the while using his position at the AFL to set set up a monopoly for his own company on food services at grounds and fixing prices so that supporters paid through the roof, just to line his own pockets. Yeah, I'll speak ill of that guy. But I guess that makes you better than me. I mean, I'm sure when Elliott or Pratt finally pushes daisies you'll remember them fondly and will have nothing but praise for them

But anyway, that's all history now. This is about the Weagles, and they've run out of chances. This is about more than Cousins.

 

[Murray]

Why are the Eagles the only AFL side being investigated re illegal goings on in their club ?
What is or was the association re Pratt and Demetriou and why hasnt Pratt been sacked from Carlton and the AFL ?
Why are the Eagles being named and other players and clubs not named re illegal activities ?

So either you haven't been following footy for that long or, you have been out of the Country for 2 years or, you are not very bright.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Yes, I did mention the 'slap on the wrist', learn to read much? And I'll speak ill of the dead like I'd speak ill of the living if they did something underhanded and morally wrong. In this case, I'll speak ill of someone who oversaw a football club who broke AFL rules, then took the moral high ground when dishing out punishments to another club just because he had a grudge with their president. All the while using his position at the AFL to set set up a monopoly for his own company on food services at grounds and fixing prices so that supporters paid through the roof, just to line his own pockets. Yeah, I'll speak ill of that guy. But I guess that makes you better than me. I mean, I'm sure when Elliott or Pratt finally pushes daisies you'll remember them fondly and will have nothing but praise for them

But anyway, that's all history now. This is about the Weagles, and they've run out of chances. This is about more than Cousins.

Dons fined $112,000 and penalised their second round draft pick
Essendon was fined this week for salary cap and other breaches of the AFL rules after an investigation by Michael Easy into allegations of draft tampering in 1993. That claim involved the drafting of Ben Doolan to the club, but was dismissed by the special investigations officer who uncovered these other breaches. The fine was the highest in AFL history, and Ross Oakley said that it relfected the AFL's new tough stance on salary cap breaches. And on top of the fine, and possibly the harshest part of the penalty, is the loss of the second round draft pick for the October 1996 National Draft. Currently the Essendon committee is considering an appeal against that part of the penalty, but is not contesting the fine imposed.

Riiight, so the highest ever fine at the time, plus the loss of draft picks, was a "slap on the wrist"? That's "allowed to get away with it", is it?

Any difference between the penalties reflects the difference in the seriousness of the offence. Are you too dumb or too blinkered to realise that?

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Because whenever a rumour of someone doing something illegal comes up people here start to think of the Eagles, including many Eagle posters hoping it's nobody from their team.
We see parents/grandparents/players saying they wouldn't be overly happy about their offspring going there.
There have just been so many different small and large problems over the last few years that have all finally come to a head and the AFL has had enough.

Hahaha, this coming from a Crows supporter. You guys have arguably a worse off-field record than the eagles. Same goes for Collingwood, <injunction club>, Carlton, Geelong, Port Adelaide and St Kilda.

 

[costanza]

Good Morning Class

Welcome to the new semester. Now the Eagles & their fans have been whinging about the ‘Us vs Them’ (Us being the Vic Media Class of ’07) agenda of certain class members. So for this week’s project, I will be setting some assignments to show this is completely untrue.

Jonathan Hay said in his interview that he took illicit drugs for 3 years at Hawthorn. Caroline Wilson if you could follow up on this and find out who with and were there any senior players involved, maybe even alluding to a former club great would spice things up a bit.

Young Robbie Walls, yours is easy. Angwin and Norman said they were out with five senior players at Carlton. With your club connections, a quick phone call would give you all the information you need.

Dale Lewis said five years ago that 75% of AFL players had experimented with illicit drugs. Now you could only come up with this sort of dramatic figure from personal experience. Seeing as he played for the Sydney Swans, I’ll give this one to you Richard Hinds. And just to make sure you complete it, Roy Masters and Jaqueline Manguey - how about you give it a try?

Now the ABC can do this as a group. Why would a Victorian drug dealer under investigation by the Victorian police, only have three W.A. sportsmen as clients? I’m sure he had a rather extensive Victorian client base. How else would Kerr and Harvey have been introduced? Barry Cassidy, Gerard Whately grab the Four Corners crew and off you go.

And Hutchie, for your assignment in Gossip columning, why not follow up on the former footballer / media identity with the ‘Love Boat’ and all his friends. If he’s at Channel Seven or Ten, then great news for Channel Nine! If he’s at Nine where you are doing your internship, then info should come easy. Maybe you can check in with the ABC Group to cross reference.

We all know that the Ben Cousins essay handed in by Andrew Rule received top marks last term, but I would have thought with a little embellishment by further exploring the above articles, it could have involved more clubs and been a game breaker. So let’s try and do these articles and separate them, if possible, from the West Coast Eagles. The Ben Cousins stuff is now bordering on plagiarism in a most cannibalistic way. And don’t bother handing in the ‘AFL to Deregister Kerr’ stuff. As if they are going to deregister someone that can sell his story and probably name 100 other players that are doing it. I’m sure you are all lining up for that one. But knowing this class you will probably miss that story as well!

You will notice I haven’t given anything to you, Mr W.A. media. This is because of a failure to do your homework last time. If you can’t break a story that is right in front of your face and young Andy Rule runs with it, then I doubt you are going to be very helpful with any of the given assignments.

I would like these assignments on my desk by the end of the week.

Class dismissed!

Posted this in April of this year. Also sent it to the BACK PAGE and Offsiders. (No reponse….as expected). A novel, I know, but too much has come together at once and I talk a lot..I actually don’t think it is a Vic v W.A. thing. I think the Media are shit scared of the Victorian powerbrokers or maybe just too close?? Yes there have been stories about other clubs, but this about the drug stories and, unbelievably, West Coast is the only club in that story!!!


Now the un-named Melbourne Club could be one of these clubs, but I wrote this way before the injunction. The injunction is on the release of medical records, but shouldn’t stop any other form of investigative journalism. Some of these un-named players have been caught twice and seeing as the Media thinks the drug testing is so lax you’d have to be very lucky to catch someone, then these 2 Strike players must be on it a fare bit. Andrew Rule’s article was all innuendo and suspicion from ‘sources’, how come West Coast is the only club that has ‘friends’ with loose lips? Really I would say that the Journo’s would only have to visit a nightclub at 2 in the morning to be an eyewitness to it themselves. Hutchy can pack his bag in a moment to follow Cousins to the U.S.A, but can’t pull his slimey arse out of bed to get a photo of 20 Victorian players on the gear in King St??

The Big Two. Now I know Kerr etc. are ********s for being on the Tapes, but the big question is (and relevant to the top story in the Vic papers today) why were there only 3 W.A. guys on the tape, or were they the only ones named? The ABC said that they underhandedly received 100 of hours of police tapes of a Victorian drug dealer. Why did a VICTORIAN DRUG DEALER that is MAJOR enough to phone tap, only have 3 W.A. sportsmen as clients. This is very hard to believe. Were his VICTORIAN clients all nobodies? Why would you tap him then? Were the W.A guys just going to the wrong MAJOR drug dealer? Or do the Victorian players use another MAJOR dealer that isn’t tapped. Just unlucky I guess?? Or were those 3 names highlighted by the ‘leak’ and the ABC didn’t bother listening to the tapes? Maybe they were only given the tapes of those 3 peoples conversations.

Jon Anderson and Paul Salmon both admitted on the Back Page this week that they would NOT say anthing about Pratt because he is too wealthy and powerful. They also made the comment to Richard Freedman that he was okay because he doesn’t live in Melbourne.This is disgusting!!! Meanwhile, the Media Empires are pushing for better freedom of the press! Not gonna mean jack sh*t if you are too scared to write anything. I think this probably goes for quite a few high powered Presidents of Melbourne clubs. The Kangaroos and Eagles need to get themselves a more wealthy and powerful President. Seems then your club is ‘untouchable’.

3 out of 5 have sort of made it to the papers unwillingly.

Conspiracy…doubtful, but hitting the one target… Convenient!

 

[cambo39]

Why are the Eagles the only AFL side being investigated re illegal goings on in their club ?
What is or was the association re Pratt and Demetriou and why hasnt Pratt been sacked from Carlton and the AFL ?
Why are the Eagles being named and other players and clubs not named re illegal activities ?

Because certain individuals within the WCE insistent on flaunting their behaviour in the public eye. Now whether or not that is unfair, could be argued.
Pratt's future is debatable, his activities took place before he became President of the CFC.

 

[ultimate hater]

Hahaha, this coming from a Crows supporter. You guys have arguably a worse off-field record than the eagles. Same goes for Collingwood, <injunction club>, Carlton, Geelong, Port Adelaide and St Kilda.

Please elaborate.. and recent news too..

i'm not sure of any phone taps of saints players trying to buy coke/ketamine...

 

[Donstuie]

Riiight, so the highest ever fine at the time, plus the loss of draft picks, was a "slap on the wrist"? That's "allowed to get away with it", is it?

Any difference between the penalties reflects the difference in the seriousness of the offence. Are you too dumb or too blinkered to realise that?

Oooh aaaah, a second round draft pick. And a fine of a pittance for a club as big as yours. Yes, a slap on the wrist. Compare that to...

From the Bluseum
In total, the Blues were penalised $930,000, 6 early National Draft selections and disqualified from the-then upcoming Pre-Season Draft. Although most of the penalty could be viewed as a 'new' penalty relating to the recent charges, 2 of the 6 lost early picks indeed related to prior breaches of the salary cap rules. There was to be no part-suspension of this penalty; a mechanism that the AFL had used up until this point in time.

Effectively, the Blues were wiped from the early rounds of the 2002 National Draft. To this day Carlton fans, and indeed football fans in general, debate the severity of the penalties but one thing is for sure - the timing of the penalties when considered against Carlton's first wooden spoon performance ensures that they were felt hard by the Club.

Overall, 4 selections in the 2002 National Draft were lost to the Blues including our Priority Pick for winning less than 5 1/2 games in 2002. Our first selection would come in at Pick #45. Further, Carlton were banned from the 2003 Pre Season Draft, although in the ensuing drama from Black Friday it was clear that Carlton would not have been able to participate in any case. Furthermore, our first and second round Picks for the 2003 National Draft were also lost. Interestingly, Carlton would earn a Priority Pick in Season 2003 but this was able to be retained; logically it would have been difficult to remove a selection we had not yet 'earned'.

Yes, the breaches inflicted by Carlton were worse, but Jesus Christ. You'll never see these sorts of penalties handed out again, there was definitely more to it than we were told, and rightfully Carlton supporters (and opposition supporters who, Carlton hatred aside, feel that the penalties were way to harsh) point the blame squarely at your man Evans.

Yes, you were given a slap on the wrist. We were r*ped.

 

[clobba]

Hahaha, this coming from a Crows supporter. You guys have arguably a worse off-field record than the eagles. Same goes for Collingwood, <injunction club>, Carlton, Geelong, Port Adelaide and St Kilda.

heh unfortunately with whats in the public forum we dont come close, all publicity is good publicity isnt it?

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Oooh aaaah, a second round draft pick. And a fine of a pittance for a club as big as yours. Yes, a slap on the wrist. Compare that to...



Yes, the breaches inflicted by Carlton were worse, but Jesus Christ. You'll never see these sorts of penalties handed out again, there was definitely more to it than we were told, and rightfully Carlton supporters (and opposition supporters who, Carlton hatred aside, feel that the penalties were way to harsh) point the blame squarely at your man Evans.

Yes, you were given a slap on the wrist. We were r*ped.

oh boo hoo. If that's your sense of perspective then go home, tuck yourself in under your Blues doona, look at your Gibbs posters on the wall, and cry yourself to sleep.

If you weren't such a n00b you'd probably know that I'm on record as saying the Blues got a rough deal, but it's a bit like committing a crime then having the judge throw the book at you. Tough shit, that's the way it goes.

To call Essendon's penalty a "slap on the wrist" demonstrates your lack of knowledge on the subject. Carlton weren't the only rorters, but they were the biggest and best of them. True to type.

 

[sosos]

oh boo hoo. If that's your sense of perspective then go home, tuck yourself in under your Blues doona, look at your Gibbs posters on the wall, and cry yourself to sleep.

If you weren't such a n00b you'd probably know that I'm on record as saying the Blues got a rough deal, but it's a bit like committing a crime then having the judge throw the book at you. Tough shit, that's the way it goes.

To call Essendon's penalty a "slap on the wrist" demonstrates your lack of knowledge on the subject. Carlton weren't the only rorters, but they were the biggest and best of them. True to type.

If we were that we wouldn't have got caught.