Contracted Players 2007

[Limbach_19]

If, in 12 months time - Schulz has another 10 games , averaging 5 disposals and 3 marks a game - at 23 - would you trade him then? And if you were another club, would you want him?
Just my opinion.

He will be 22.

 

[Tiger 19]

He will be 22.

I think you're missing the point - I was asking the question if you would trade him in 12 months if his output didn't improve.

 

[Limbach_19]

I think you're missing the point - I was asking the question if you would trade him in 12 months if his output didn't improve.

Your missing my point, i was saying he will only be 22.

 

[JohnHowat31]

My view for what it is worth.....

Our midfield as a whole is still a touch slow and in my view too short. Compare it to the Melbourne, West Coast and Adelaide midfield our guys are not quick enough nor do they command attention around the ground/forward as they are not damaging in the air.
I still cant see how we can play a side that includes Rodan, Krakour, Foley, Hartigan, Hyde, Pettifer, Tambling, Oakley-Nicholls etc as there is nothing that would scare opposition coaches about any of these players. Granted, Oakley-Nicholls has time on his side and with extra strength may develop but the Tambling decision (to take him ahead of Lance Franklin) has been, in my opinion, a bad one.
Rodan has to go (very similar to Rhyce Shaw of three years ago in that he runs to fast for himself to then execute properly - at least Shaw has that ability now). How many times can a guy get the ball, take a bounce only to be confronted with opposition players that either tackle him or smother the ball. His first instinct is to run - that is fine - but 9 times out of 10 as a result the initial lead made by those up the ground is ineffective as he refuses to look up.
Positives this year - Raines without a doubt, Troy Simmonds (with only 17 years left on his contract at least it looks like he will repay the faith for a little bit of it!!), Polo consistently good and can apply pressure, Johnson in defensive roles (although disposal has dropped away), Newman prior to injury, Bowden brothers generally excellent.
As for Ray Hall, well I better save it for another post.

 

[Heisenberg_]

I'm sorry but Foley, whilst he's a little terrier, is no champion. He doesn't get much of it, and his use of the footy is ordinary. Can you see him developing into an elite midfielder?? Does he have pace? Maybe. Good skills, not really. Ball magnet, no. Make good decisions under pressure, no.

Mate your a ****ing moron, for the last month he has been getting about 20+ touches, even though he spends a lot of time on the bench. Sam Mitchell MK2

Oakley-Nichols, I said it might be a tough call, but the kid needs to put on some weight or he might never get a crack at it. He is too easily bumped off the ball. Yeah, I'd probably give him another year if I couldn't do a decent trade.

And this is one of the dumbest things i have read in my time on BF, of course he is slim ATM, he was drafted last year FFS, theres a thing called the gym which is used for players to bulk up a bit

 

[tigerdan]

If you need "filler", I'd rather turn the list over and give a kid a chance to prove he can help us win a flag. Or trade for a recycled player that could give us something, ie. maybe Polak.

Someone like Chaffey is filler because although not in the best 22 he can fill a gap if there are injuries. That is why clubs will always have at least 3 ruckmen on their list.

Knobel (for example) might not win us a flag but is definitely needed in case of injury.

I'm not saying we fill the list with such players, but I am saying that there will always be a few older players kept on the list in case of emergency.

Don't get me wrong, there's always the need to blood a young player, but there's also the need to keep a few older guys around just in case. Cannon fodder if you like.

We've seen the results of playing kids too early far too many times in the last 25 years and i don't want to keep making the same mistakes over and over again.

 

[Tiger 19]

Mate your a ****ing moron, for the last month he has been getting about 20+ touches, even though he spends a lot of time on the bench. Sam Mitchell MK2

Big Call - Sam Mitchell Mark 2. I would like to see that. I doubt it


And this is one of the dumbest things i have read in my time on BF, of course he is slim ATM, he was drafted last year FFS, theres a thing called the gym which is used for players to bulk up a bit

That would be the same gym that Gasper's been in to bulk up would it? The same gym that Hall's been in to bulk up, the very same gym that Schulz has become a hulk in...??

Some kids are naturally thin and have trouble gaining muscle, particularly with all the running AFL players do these days - it is hard for a midfielder to put on weight.

Why I am justifying my comments to you anyway. I'm not going to get into a battle of wit with someone who is clearly unarmed!!

 

[Tiger 19]

Someone like Chaffey is filler because although not in the best 22 he can fill a gap if there are injuries. That is why clubs will always have at least 3 ruckmen on their list.

Knobel (for example) might not win us a flag but is definitely needed in case of injury.

I'm not saying we fill the list with such players, but I am saying that there will always be a few older players kept on the list in case of emergency.

Don't get me wrong, there's always the need to blood a young player, but there's also the need to keep a few older guys around just in case. Cannon fodder if you like.

We've seen the results of playing kids too early far too many times in the last 25 years and i don't want to keep making the same mistakes over and over again.

Fair point. It depends on your deinition of Filler. I agree you need 3 ruckman, so I wouldn't call Knobel filler from that perspective. Before Chaffey got OP - I would have thought he was our first choice tagger.

I just think we tend to hang on to the cannon fodder types a little too long.

 

[Heisenberg_]

That would be the same gym that Gasper's been in to bulk up would it? The same gym that Hall's been in to bulk up, the very same gym that Schulz has become a hulk in...??

Some kids are naturally thin and have trouble gaining muscle, particularly with all the running AFL players do these days - it is hard for a midfielder to put on weight.

Why I am justifying my comments to you anyway. I'm not going to get into a battle of wit with someone who is clearly unarmed!!

How can you possibly say that when you want to delist a 18 yr old for being to slim

 

[mini_me316]

That would be the same gym that Gasper's been in to bulk up would it? The same gym that Hall's been in to bulk up, the very same gym that Schulz has become a hulk in...??

If you didn't know Gasper played at Sydney for the first part of his carrer and when he came to us he was twenty years old already mature in his afl years and anyway if you have seen his carrer you would know that he was our best and fairest in 2001, 2nd in 2000, 3rd in 1997, All Australian in 2000 and 2001 and also played in the International Rules Series in 2001.

As for Ray Hall and Jay Schulz Hall is a fine size yes but he is strong in the positions that he plays he rarely gets pushed out of a contest, Jay Schulz is a perfect size at 193cm tall and 95kg in weight and he doesnt get pushed out of contests either.

 

[RICHO: A GOD AMONGST MEN]

I'm sorry but Foley, whilst he's a little terrier, is no champion. He doesn't get much of it, and his use of the footy is ordinary. Can you see him developing into an elite midfielder?? Does he have pace? Maybe. Good skills, not really. Ball magnet, no. Make good decisions under pressure, no.

Oakley-Nichols, I said it might be a tough call, but the kid needs to put on some weight or he might never get a crack at it. He is too easily bumped off the ball. Yeah, I'd probably give him another year if I couldn't do a decent trade.

Schulz, This is exactly the reason we have been stuck in mediocrity for years. How long do you want to give this under-achiever?? He drifts in and plays 10 mins a game - when he's actually on the park. When was the last time he played a good senior game??

Tiger 19, I've got a strong urge to climb up a tall tree and urinate on you from a great height

 

[Bojangles17]

Someone please prove me wrong about Jay Schulz. He seems to have a "gold pass" among many supporters in here.

He has been on the list for 4 years, played 35 odd games, and averages only 5 disposals a game!!

I'm sick of comments like "he takes a good contested mark" - how often does he do it? He averages 2.5 marks a game, and doesn't really do much in terms of goal assists, or second efforts..

another short sighted view that makes a mockery of a legitimate football forum. Sarges progress is following a similar path to that of Fevola or say Anthony Rocca. It may come as a surprise to you but KPP generally take a little longer than a NO 1 draft pick midfielder.

Statisitcs are only relevant to the present day...its completely irrelevant for to assess the merit of a young players stats from debut to today.

He's now beginning to make an impact at this level , has found his rightful position and will only get better. Why trade him for a prosepct that will in all liklihood take 3 or 4 seasons to get to this point once again if at all...refer Polak...

 

[LVAK]

Agree with the comments re Rodan - are you serious - is he really contracted for 2007?

And Hall, surely not another 2 years..

I think you're being a bit harsh on Hyde, but agree his last month has been crap.

Players I would like to see gone in 2007..
Hall
Rodan
Tivendale
Stafford
Foley
Krakouer
Schulz
Humm
Oakley-Nichols

I realise I might be being tough on a couple (ie.Oakley-Nichols) but the last thing we need is another scrawny kid, we already have Meyer & Tambling)

Others on notice in 2007..
Hartigan
Jackson
Moore
Roach
Pattison
Tambling
Knobel

Boy I'm glad you're not in recruitment. Some knee jerk reactions here and you could swap half of those lists for each other.
As for something like Oakley- Nicholls , he is still 18 , won't be 19 until February . He has also played quite well for Coburg ,but no he's too thin let's cut him loose

 

[Truetiger]

You are joking....IMO Richardson, Johnson and Deledio were probably the only players today that could hold their heads up.

Admit the supply to Schulz was ordinary but he still didn't play what I would call a good game.

Look i dont know you and in fact i dont want to. As it sounds like to me you know f all about Football and more so Richmond. So you dont think Andrew Raines could hold his head high. I guess it shows you dont know a thing about our great game. Now u tool to have a go at Foley who is still learning is just wrong. I would like to see you get out there and give it ur all and even get close to how good Foley is. You would last less then a minute before you left the field crying your eyes out or asking for your mum. Get a bloody life as no one wants to put up with ur crap

 

[Tiger 19]

Look i dont know you and in fact i dont want to. As it sounds like to me you know f all about Football and more so Richmond. So you dont think Andrew Raines could hold his head high. I guess it shows you dont know a thing about our great game. Now u tool to have a go at Foley who is still learning is just wrong. I would like to see you get out there and give it ur all and even get close to how good Foley is. You would last less then a minute before you left the field crying your eyes out or asking for your mum. Get a bloody life as no one wants to put up with ur crap

Obviously didnt see the earlier post where I agreed that Raines had yet another good game, and would be leading the B&F for mine.

I also agreed I might have been unfair to Foley, in the heat of the disappointment of having St Kilda rip us a new one.

I stand by my comments on Schulz. I see he is a protected species in here. Sorry for daring to have an opinion that differs to yours ********.

 

[Tiger 19]

another short sighted view that makes a mockery of a legitimate football forum. Sarges progress is following a similar path to that of Fevola or say Anthony Rocca. It may come as a surprise to you but KPP generally take a little longer than a NO 1 draft pick midfielder.

Statisitcs are only relevant to the present day...its completely irrelevant for to assess the merit of a young players stats from debut to today.

He's now beginning to make an impact at this level , has found his rightful position and will only get better. Why trade him for a prosepct that will in all liklihood take 3 or 4 seasons to get to this point once again if at all...refer Polak...

Please tell me how Jay Schulz has made an impact??

 

[Heisenberg_]

Look i dont know you and in fact i dont want to. As it sounds like to me you know f all about Football and more so Richmond. So you dont think Andrew Raines could hold his head high. I guess it shows you dont know a thing about our great game. Now u tool to have a go at Foley who is still learning is just wrong. I would like to see you get out there and give it ur all and even get close to how good Foley is. You would last less then a minute before you left the field crying your eyes out or asking for your mum. Get a bloody life as no one wants to put up with ur crap

the worst thing about this half wit is that he seems to think what his saying is correct and doesnt realise that he knows SFA, stop talking shyte please

 

[Kurtis G]

Guys, just before we go throwing half the senior list to the wolves, remember that you always need some 'filler' on the list.

There might well have been some ordinary performances yesterday but that doesn't mean we should never see any of the offenders play footy for the Tigers again.

I know that guys like Hall and Tivendale can put in some shockers, but there will always be room on the list for guys like them when injury strikes. Unfortunaltely injury has struck us particularly bad in the last month or so - look at how many guys are missing from when we last played St Kilda.

If you take that many guys out of the team, of course our lesser players are going to get exposed when playing on better opponents.

Historically we've turned over 4-5 players each year, including retirements. Most of the guys on death row on this thread will still be around next year, if only because so many of them are contracted.

This is a very fair post. From the opening to point to the final one about contracts.

And the fact that Tiger 19 is looking to dump everyone who isnt or isnt going to be a "champion" is absolutly stupid.

Even the all conquering Brisbane only had a few champions (it would be well up for debate, but it appears only Voss and maybe Lynch are still recognised today for their contributions to the Lions over the years).

Ever heard the saying "A team of champions will not beat a champion team"? Its a bit cheesy I know but its true. What you really need is your second tier players playing well. Thats where all the premierships this decade have been won from and thats where we need to be. Calling for the sacking of Krakeour, Schulz, Hyde and Foley is ridiculous and your un-educated opinions on Schulz, Tiger 19, are disturbing.

Go be an idiot somewhere else. There is constructive critisism, critisism and idiocy. You are borderline incompetent.

 

[Kurtis G]

Please tell me how Jay Schulz has made an impact??

10 goals in the past 5 games.

Injury plagued. Still young. Huge potential.

Shut the f*** up.