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Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #2: Lockdowns

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Thoughts on COVID-19? (Choose 2 options)

  • It's a naturally occurring virus

    Votes: 15 20.3%

  • It came from a Chinese laboratory

    Votes: 31 41.9%

  • It came from a US/other laboratory

    Votes: 5 6.8%

  • It's dangerous and harsh restrictions are necessary

    Votes: 19 25.7%

  • It's not dangerous enough to warrant harsh restrictions

    Votes: 22 29.7%

  • It's basically another flu, so restrictions are silly

    Votes: 14 18.9%
  • Total voters
    74

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Aristotle Pickett said:
What's your solution then?
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Naturally let the virus happen while developing a normal vaccine with proper testing and studies, whereby a person will have the option to take it or not without any reprecussions

You know the same approach we have taken for every virus until now
 

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BlueE said:
It matters to me because they were being used a guinea pigs for a vaccine that was untested in their age group, so no safety data for them was available, and had questionable effectiveness. But they were told they're getting a vaccine to protect them, when it probably was accelerating their deaths.

Is that ethical? But the vaccine companies will say the deaths were a co-incidence.

Being vulnerable to the effects of colds and flu they could have been protected in the normal way, and against SARS with Vitamin D or IVM, HCQ and Zn.

I can't remember any of them being terminally ill or they were given the vaccine after a long battle with illness. Is that is so, it makes giving them an experimental vaccine worse.

There was also the report of 32 out of 263 residents dying after getting the COVID 19 vaccinations on 22nd December 2020, in a NY nursing home that had not had any COVID deaths.

cnycentral.com

32 residents die from outbreak at Auburn nursing home

32 residents have died at the Commons on St. Anthony nursing home in Auburn from a COVID-19 outbreak that began on December 21st. That's an increase of 20 residents since January 5th. A spokesperson for Loretto says there are now 104 active cases with 46 recoveries. 47 employees are still in...
cnycentral.com cnycentral.com
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You missed the core argument.

With the virus each death is very important and is all equal

With the vaccine each death is just a ”who cares, they were going to die anyway” approach
 
GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
Naturally let the virus happen while developing a normal vaccine with proper testing and studies, whereby a person will have the option to take it or not without any reprecussions

You know the same approach we have taken for every virus until now
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That's not possible it would ruin the economy.
 
Aristotle Pickett said:
Whats yr bloody question
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I’ll be clear as day and ask 2 questions. One you can’t fake not understanding at least

Are you a organ donor and will you be one? If not. Why?

A organ donor saves 4 lives, in the interests of public health, should every single person not be forced to give up their organs when they die? If so, why or why not
 
GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
I’ll be clear as day and ask 2 questions. One you can’t fake not understanding at least

Are you a organ donor and will you be one? If not. Why?

A organ donor saves 4 lives, in the interests of public health, should every single person not be forced to give up their organs when they die? If so, why or why not
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Yes I'm an organ donar and I think it should be assumed everyone is an organ donar unless they have specifically opted out .
Vaccines are different in that you need 70% of the population to obtain herd immunity so you need to act as a collective group .
The ones that don't want a vaccine stuff it up for everyone else.
 
Aristotle Pickett said:
Yes I'm an organ donar and I think it should be assumed everyone is an organ donar unless they have specifically opted out .
Vaccines are different in that you need 70% of the population to obtain herd immunity so you need to act as a collective group .
The ones that don't want a vaccine stuff it up for everyone else.
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Thats a nice imaginary goal post you brought in. Herd immunity should be a community decision, not a you decision. Your body, your rights after all.

So do you go tell everyone you are a organ donor and tell them they are selfish for not being one? If not, why
 
GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
Thats a nice imaginary goal post you brought in. Herd immunity should be a community decision, not a you decision. Your body, your rights after all.

So do you go tell everyone you are a organ donor and tell them they are selfish for not being one? If not, why
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If it ever came up I would recommend to everyone to be an organ donar.
Covid will not go away without herd immunity .Herd immunity is good for the population as a whole. Humans are all potential carriers and spreaders and we're humans.
Organ transplants don't require herd immunity so if not everyone does it , it is still saving lives
 

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Aristotle Pickett said:
If it ever came up I would recommend to everyone to be an organ donar.
Covid will not go away without herd immunity .Herd immunity is good for the population as a whole. Humans are all potential carriers and spreaders and we're humans.
Organ transplants don't require herd immunity so if not everyone does it , it is still saving lives
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So you will preach vaccination Without being asked but not a organ donor? Why the difference?

One disease in our lifetime has ever gone away and that was not even in the same stratosphere as this in terms of reach. You are trying to achieve the unachievable goal

If you want to achieve something impossible, I’d start with ending world hunger first
 
GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
So you will preach vaccination but not a organ donor? Why the difference?

One disease in our lifetime has ever gone away and that was not even in the same stratosphere as this in terms of reach. You are trying to achieve the unachievable goal

If you want to achieve something impossible, I’d start with ending world hunger first
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The bottom line is less people will die a horrible death if we don't obtain herd immunity or maintain lockdowns.
It's not fair on nurses to have to treat infectious patients every day .
The vaccine is the sensible way to go and I don't particularly like getting one, but it's better than choking to death in an empty room.
 
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Aristotle Pickett said:
The bottom line is less people will die a horrible death if we obtain herd immunity or maintain lockdowns.
It's not fair on nurses to have to treat infectious patients every day .
The vaccine is the sensible way to go and I don't particularly like getting one, but it's better than choking to death in an empty room.
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Less people will die if we open up the economy, spend the trillions worldwide in generated income solely on healthcare, clean water and food supply

Its not fair on nurses to be overrun 8 years in a row with illnesses in winter In the UK, provide the money to fix it and move on. Do you think the nurses were like “Well being overrun with people with suicide attempts is fine, just get that pesky virus away”. I don’t think so. Letting them be overrun for any reason is wrong and your imaginery fix isn’t going to help

We should be providing them more resources not hoping on a magic beans and a beanstalk or a 9 month old vaccine
 
GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
Less people will die if we open up the economy, spend the trillions worldwide in generated income solely on healthcare, clean water and food supply

Its not fair on nurses to be overrun 8 years in a row with illnesses in winter In the UK, provide the money to fix it and move on. Do you think the nurses were like “Well being overrun with people with suicide attempts is fine, just get that pesky virus away”. I don’t think so. Letting them be overrun for any reason is wrong and your imaginery fix isn’t going to help

We should be providing them more resources not hoping on a magic beans and a beanstalk or a 9 month old vaccine
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If you ask the nurses or any other health professional, they want people to take the vaccine.
Epidemiologists know what's best better than you or I, there's no conspiracy.
 

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Aristotle Pickett said:
Yes I'm an organ donar and I think it should be assumed everyone is an organ donar unless they have specifically opted out .
Vaccines are different in that you need 70% of the population to obtain herd immunity so you need to act as a collective group .
The ones that don't want a vaccine stuff it up for everyone else.
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You're a Science man. This vaccine doesn't prevent transmission, just improves outcomes for those that get the virus. If it doesn't stop transmission, how does it help in obtaining herd immunity?
 
Aristotle Pickett said:
Yes I'm an organ donar and I think it should be assumed everyone is an organ donar unless they have specifically opted out .
Vaccines are different in that you need 70% of the population to obtain herd immunity so you need to act as a collective group .
The ones that don't want a vaccine stuff it up for everyone else.
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I'm sure that the number of people who would want to opt out of getting the Covid vaccine would be well under 30% so we should have no problem reaching your 70% mark for reaching herd immunity anyway.

I'm not fanatical about not getting the vaccine and would prefer not too but would if it affected my lifestyle too much ie. inability to travel or attend group gatherings like concerts/sporting events.... in other words I would take the risk of not suffering any significant side affects just like I'm fine with taking on the risk of a maskless lockdown free life re Covid. I would be quite willing to go into home isolation though if I had some symptoms got tested and was positive.
 
Steele13 said:
You're a Science man. This vaccine doesn't prevent transmission, just improves outcomes for those that get the virus. If it doesn't stop transmission, how does it help in obtaining herd immunity?
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Yet herd immunity for a virus with 99% survival is too ineffective and won't work yet a vaccine will.
One thing the trolls on here do have right is this is an echo chamber. We are preaching to the converted which is great but I've lost the will to argue. Too much idiocy about in the world.
 
Aristotle Pickett said:
If you ask the nurses or any other health professional, they want people to take the vaccine.
Epidemiologists know what's best better than you or I, there's no conspiracy.
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Way to avoid the point

Ask any nurse in the worle

What do you want? More resources, more equipment, more staff and a higher wage or a bunch of 10 year olds to get a vaccine from a disease they won’t get sick from. what option you reckon they wanna take
 
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