Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #2: Lockdowns

[Run n Spread]

So basically there is no way out of this, we are setup for a perpetual lock down strategy and the govt can keep doing this.

Wouldn't surprise me if the election is delayed or altered to mail order voting etc. But anyway regardless they are all part of the same system. But this is ludicrous. It is idiocy on steroids. It is straight out of a movie and people just blindly follow.

 

[Run n Spread]

Comments elsewhere was that they chose to do this to hide their identities.

With a garbage bag? Just put a hat and sunnies on or wrap a scarf round your face. And why did the news report emphasise this was for safety. Thou an apt symbol. This whole reaction is utter garbage.

 

[faible]

With a garbage bag? Just put a hat and sunnies on or wrap a scarf round your face. And why did the news report emphasise this was for safety. Thou an apt symbol. This whole reaction is utter garbage.

Maybe they didn't have a hat and scarf with them? At short notice they would have access to garbage bags though. You don't believe the MSM anyway so what the news report says should have no relevance to you.

 

[Tiger Toffee]

Sad sad world we live in now where people feel the need to cover their heads with garbage bags so as to not get shamed for committing the horrible crime of getting sick.

 

[burge13]

Sad sad world we live in now where people feel the need to cover their heads with garbage bags so as to not get shamed for committing the horrible crime of being so sick, they needed to be told they were.

FTFY

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Comments elsewhere was that they chose to do this to hide their identities.

A fair strategy

To 99.9% of people the lynch mob is a bigger threat then any illness at this point in time

Society huh?

 

[Lethal Knights]

Sad sad world we live in now where people feel the need to cover their heads with garbage bags so as to not get shamed for committing the horrible crime of getting sick.

It’s been part of the whole deal.
Start with fear, repeat it over and over, then add guilt and shame and the masses will do almost anything they’re told to.
They’ll even believe they’re sick when they have no symptoms.

 

[Lethal Knights]

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Remember the swine flu experts:

Gabriel Scally, 2010:

"I would strongly encourage you to take up the swine flu vaccination.

The best protection that you can have against swine flu is to be vaccinated.”

The rushed vaccine was later withdrawn after it was found to be unsafe, causing narcolepsy and various other effects.

 

[Mofra]

Remember the swine flu experts:

Gabriel Scally, 2010:

"I would strongly encourage you to take up the swine flu vaccination.

The best protection that you can have against swine flu is to be vaccinated.”

The rushed vaccine was later withdrawn after it was found to be unsafe, causing narcolepsy and various other effects.

Yes, it was rushed through without clinical trials.
Fortunately the current vaccines are undergoing more testing and have far more $$$ and effort placed upon them given the gravity of the global pandemic.

 

[burge13]

And they haven't caused a single problem either which is great

All those problems being pointed out like miscarriages, Bells Palsy etc are just pesky CT's, not our trusted 7 News experts...

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Yes, it was rushed through without clinical trials.
Fortunately the current vaccines are undergoing more testing and have far more $$$ and effort placed upon them given the gravity of the global pandemic.

They can test it out of there assholes. Until they create legal liability for the product, I nor anyone else should be expected to take it. Do you and would you buy a brand new TV of me with a 0 year no warranty, no return clause? I mean this is our expectations here. The fact we put more legal liability around a TV as opposed to our own bodies is just weird to me.

If you want people to have faith in your product, maybe you should have faith in it first?

 

[Mofra]

They can test it out of there assholes. Until they create legal liability for the product, I nor anyone else should be expected to take it. Do you and would you buy a brand new TV of me with a 0 year no warranty, no return clause? I mean this is our expectations here. The fact we put more legal liability around a TV as opposed to our own bodies is just weird to me.

If you want people to have faith in your product, maybe you should have faith in it first?

Well, Gumtree operates on the same premise...
I don't think that example is directly comparable though - televisions don't have to go through phase 3 trials before they're sold.

I think a lot of the discussion here between 'opposing sides' does in fact indicate that everyone wants the same thing (and end to CV19 and the associated dangers and restrictions). To be honest I just don't see a way out without some form of wide-spread vaccination program.

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

Yes, it was rushed through without clinical trials.
Fortunately the current vaccines are undergoing more testing and have far more $$$ and effort placed upon them given the gravity of the global pandemic.

Hopefully you'll realise one day no pharma companies want to create a cure for any disease or virus.

All they care about is profit, You don't grant full indemnity to companies that tell us it's a safe & effective product.

Especially when billions of dollars have been paid out in the past for damages they've caused.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Well, Gumtree operates on the same premise...
I don't think that example is directly comparable though - televisions don't have to go through phase 3 trials before they're sold.

I think a lot of the discussion here between 'opposing sides' does in fact indicate that everyone wants the same thing (and end to CV19 and the associated dangers and restrictions). To be honest I just don't see a way out without some form of wide-spread vaccination program.

If its OK for Gumtree, its okay for your health and safety is hardly a inspiring argument. Also what are you on about? Products go through trials all the time? Dont you remember the Samsung exploding battery fiasco. That was a failure in trial process. They dont just make a product and pray it works? Infact looking at it now, the Samsung phone that blew up underwent a longer testing process then the Pfizer vaccine...

Id say the 1993 Beijng Flu path would be best. Bulk up, prepare your hospitals accordingly and let the virus take its course. Develop treatment options, invest in them greatly and make them widely available to all, not just Donald Trumps. Dodginf out of its way has never worked in human history so thinking it will now is odd to me

People can fetishise over death all they want and worry about it, but it is coming. You just need to decide whether you worry about it constantly or enjoy the time you have instead

 

[Mofra]

Id say the 1993 Beijng Flu path would be best. Bulk up, prepare your hospitals accordingly and let the virus take its course. Develop treatment options, invest in them greatly and make them widely available to all, not just Donald Trumps. Dodginf out of its way has never worked in human history so thinking it will now is odd to me

People can fetishise over death all they want and worry about it, but it is coming. You just need to decide whether you worry about it constantly or enjoy the time you have instead

I don't think the biggest example we have of the 'let it rip' strategy (Brazil) has shown that it is particularly effective.
In all we haven't got a great system either, but it happens to be 'slightly less shit' than the alternative.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I don't think the biggest example we have of the 'let it rip' strategy (Brazil) has shown that it is particularly effective.
In all we haven't got a great system either, but it happens to be 'slightly less sh*t' than the alternative.

Let it rip though meant inadequate resourcing in the health sector. Its something I am clearly not advocating

You are arguing the extremities of the situation. Their is a adequate middle ground believe it or not. Too bad our politicians are too inept to find it

 

[Run n Spread]

Well, Gumtree operates on the same premise...
I don't think that example is directly comparable though - televisions don't have to go through phase 3 trials before they're sold.

I think a lot of the discussion here between 'opposing sides' does in fact indicate that everyone wants the same thing (and end to CV19 and the associated dangers and restrictions). To be honest I just don't see a way out without some form of wide-spread vaccination program.

It has a 99.7% survival rate. It is also not nearly as wildly infectious (at least in Australia) as claimed. How can 3 roomates not also be infected?
Most cases are mild. A lot of people need to be tested to even know they have it? There has been no excess mortality in 2020 than in 2019.

Why the need for restrictions at all? Influenza, meningococcal, legionnaires etc cause damage and yet no restrictions. The risk associated with Covid is not worth all this.

Take the vaccination by all means but with a >99% survival rate and this being a non event for under 40s even that doesn't need to be rushed out with all the associated risks and side effects. Do it properly.

 

[Mofra]

Let it rip though meant inadequate resourcing in the health sector. Its something I am clearly not advocating

You are arguing the extremities of the situation. Their is a adequate middle ground believe it or not. Too bad our politicians are too inept to find it

Do you think politicians in Australia are ignoring health advice, or accepting it?

I don't trust political leaders, but I do trust an epidemiologist who has dedicated their life to the study of infectious diseases.

 

[burge13]

Do you think politicians in Australia are ignoring health advice, or accepting it?

I don't trust political leaders, but I do trust an epidemiologist who has dedicated their life to the study of infectious diseases.

Epidemiologist. These people got anything right through all this?

"Wildly infectious, this time I swear. Believe me"

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Do you think politicians in Australia are ignoring health advice, or accepting it?

I don't trust political leaders, but I do trust an epidemiologist who has dedicated their life to the study of infectious diseases.

I think they are accepting health advice from the scientist employed by big pharma to generate enormous revenue myself. Advice with a agenda is never good advice to follow I tend to think

A politicians job isnt to blindly follow. Its to analyse and respond. Blindly following advice because you dont understand its complexity isnt a great way to run anything. Thats why when people get employed as CEOS, they tend to have experience in their fields and are not just randoms with no understanding of the industry

Its a bit like Big tech in a way. The politicians are so clueless as to its concepts and understanding they can spout crap and get these guys to swallow whatever BS they send that direction. In some ways the failure sticks to the lack of diversity with education profiles in politics worldwide. A bunch of economists making economic decisions based on scientific and tech advice isnt the best spot to be in. If we had doctors, nurses, people who can turn a computer on for example as politicians perhaps we can get a diverse range of ideas and implement the best ones as opposed to blindly following the first one given?

 

[Mofra]

I think they are accepting health advice from the scientist employed by big pharma to generate enormous revenue myself. Advice with a agenda is never good advice to follow I tend to think

The government employs health specialists rather than just rely on those employed by TNCs moonlighting as advisers.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

The government employs health specialists rather than just rely on those employed by TNCs moonlighting as advisers.

You are enormously naive if you think this is true. Yesterday for example W.A govt just sacked half of its gambling regulators for taking financial benefits from Crown. Corruption is rife, even in Australia....

 

[Tiger Toffee]

Yes, it was rushed through without clinical trials.
Fortunately the current vaccines are undergoing more testing and have far more $$$ and effort placed upon them given the gravity of the global pandemic.

The fact is there is still not a lot of information about the vaccine, ie: is it for life or will you require 6 monthly or yearly doses. Every real chance that those jabbed first will be back to square one and requiring a re-jab before the last cabs off the rank even step up to the plate, last i heard was that they don't know if it's for life or not, FMD shouldn't this be set in stone before injecting people.

And what about new strains, FFS Andrews and co are jizzing themselves over the UK strain so which strain is this vaccine actually for or is it a one suits all vaccine.

It's a bit like if you were standing by a river in the NT and you asking a local if there are any crocs in there and he/she saying " i'm not sure " and you jumping in and deciding to find out along the way.

That's the beauty for me being down the back of the pecking order, i get to sit back and watch what happens as i know i won't be getting bothered if at all until 2022 at the earliest.

I like everyone in this thread are not against vaccines, my kids are fully vaccinated for christs sake with proven vaccines for which the answers to my questions above were answered before i even loaded the kids into the car, but this vaccine is a newbie and i want more definitive answers other than " we don't know " before the thought even enters my head about getting vaccinated for something that will be a thing of the past in literally 18 months IMO.

 

[burge13]

The government employs health specialists rather than just rely on those employed by TNCs moonlighting as advisers.

The problem isn't that Premiers are taking advice, it's that they're only taking advice from overly cautious people

Ever been to a GP and they give a sick certificate for 4 days and you feel fine the next. These people are way too cautious and there's no advice they're listening to that opposes this caution. Then we see entire states shut down over 2 people being sick (not proper sick either, just told they are which is a sham in itself)

No one outside that health official could possibly think that's a just action. They need to start listening to economists as to the damage being done, real estate experts, small businesses etc. The damage being done FAR outweighs what covid could have done

People have been saying this for 6 months ffs. It's insanity but people are just blindly supporting their premier like it's their footy team

Cancer screenings down 40% in 2020. Where's the health advice on this?! Oh, it isn't covid, doesn't matter...

 

[Mofra]

You are enormously naive if you think this is true. Yesterday for example W.A govt just sacked half of its gambling regulators for taking financial benefits from Crown. Corruption is rife, even in Australia....

So you think we have public health officials, employed by the government, that are secretly on the take by some amorphous 'big pharma' syndicate and giving overly cautious health advice because one day that will lead people to take a vaccine?

If so, I'd be interested in any evidence you have.