Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #2: Lockdowns

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Okay fair enough - I have read it and, yes, that does seem to refer to a legit concern raised by an expert in the field and I did dismiss based on the URL. Note that issue relates to the methodology in obtaining the efficacy data due to the high rates of false positives, interesting that the current 'real world' results coming out of Israel seem to be mirroring the Pfizer results.

I don't know why you're 'baffled' - you will literally have the choice whether to get it or not. The choice is with you whether you think the 'liberties' that you lose are are worth getting the jab for. The reality is every one faces a restriction on liberties as is determined by the political judgement (that determines the legal framework) - if your a surgeon you cant drink and go to work, afl players can't bet on afl games, if you join the military you have to have every vaccination going, if your to work in health you'll need the covid jab etc etc. For some it might not feel like a choice, but you will ultimately have one.

May as well say, the people in Hong Kong are allowed to protest the Chinese government, they just need to decide whether they think the freedoms lost because of it is worth it.

The real issue with your examples is they are choices people agree upon when taking a product and using it incorrectly . This is a punishment for not using a product at all. It’s a social contract on enforcing consumption as opposed to controlling consumption. I think adding a chemical or anything to ones body they don’t want too by punishing one if they do not is pure propaganda. I think people keep drafting some weird form of social contract into this. If I take a vaccine or not it won’t impact you or anyone at all. if I drink and drive I could kill you and impact you though. The idea me taking a vaccine could harm you really is bottom feeding non sensical and illogical propaganda. I’m happy to hear why it makes sense though. Give it a try

You say it’s a choice we will ultimately have, which is kind of what the Chinese government use to justify everything they do. Hong Kong people can protest and if they do they go to jail, it’s a choice they have I suppose

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I’ll also say that if we enforce the same social and medical standards for Covid in other areas then alcohol needs to be banned altogether. It should be a instant ban, with regular testing and jobs lost for anyone caught drinking. Alcohol kills about 3-4 million people worldwide according to WHO after all

Id be happy to see it myself. Sometimes when you apply flawed logic in a more expansive way people will see the flaws more openly

 

[M Malice]

I will happily get the jab if the drug companies don't get indemnity from prosecution due to bad health outcomes from it.

Why do they need indemnity?

 

[Lethal Knights]

I will happily get the jab if the drug companies don't get indemnity from prosecution due to bad health outcomes from it.

Why do they need indemnity?

Bc they’re 100% confident in their own product

 

[Catfish Alley]

I will happily get the jab if the drug companies don't get indemnity from prosecution due to bad health outcomes from it.

Why do they need indemnity?

Most countries have that clause to make the rollout of a vaccine as efficient as possible in case of a pandemic. The government indemnifies the manufacturer to prevent the delay of releasing a vaccine. I assume Australian health authorities have approved it and will monitor it. Usually governments would have set up a no fault support program for any adverse reaction.

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

More propaganda from Klaus & the gang from the world economic forum.

Some sheep will love the idea of a mask being linked to an app on your phone, It will even tell them when they need to breath in fresh air.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Most countries have that clause to make the rollout of a vaccine as efficient as possible in case of a pandemic. The government indemnifies the manufacturer to prevent the delay of releasing a vaccine. I assume Australian health authorities have approved it and will monitor it. Usually governments would have set up a no fault support program for any adverse reaction.

Having a reason isn’t the same as having a justification

Its sad and pathetic to me that we put more onus on the small business selling me a 20 dollar steak and chips to serve us a quality product (ie how people send it back if it’s too rare ) then we do our pharmaceutical companies but that’s just me

 

[Lethal Knights]

Covax needed every 6 months now eh according to Israeli PM.
Hahahahahahahahaha.

The agenda gets clearer by the day and people still can’t see.

 

[Venkman]

May as well say, the people in Hong Kong are allowed to protest the Chinese government, they just need to decide whether they think the freedoms lost because of it is worth it.

The real issue with your examples is they are choices people agree upon when taking a product and using it incorrectly . This is a punishment for not using a product at all. It’s a social contract on enforcing consumption as opposed to controlling consumption. I think adding a chemical or anything to ones body they don’t want too by punishing one if they do not is pure propaganda. I think people keep drafting some weird form of social contract into this. If I take a vaccine or not it won’t impact you or anyone at all. if I drink and drive I could kill you and impact you though. The idea me taking a vaccine could harm you really is bottom feeding non sensical and illogical propaganda. I’m happy to hear why it makes sense though. Give it a try

You say it’s a choice we will ultimately have, which is kind of what the Chinese government use to justify everything they do. Hong Kong people can protest and if they do they go to jail, it’s a choice they have I suppose

No it's not a product and using it incorrectly, these are preconditions for employment: teachers HAVE to get a working with children check, Military HAVE to get vaccines etc.
I agree with you though about you not taking the vaccine doesn't effect me though. In this way this is a little different than other diseases because once covid - 19is allowed in to the community the non vaxed will be exposed to it pretty quick, due its virulence and novel status. There will be no point to maintain harsh vaccine passports for everything after that.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

No it's not a product and using it incorrectly, these are preconditions for employment: teachers HAVE to get a working with children check, Military HAVE to get vaccines etc.
I agree with you though about you not taking the vaccine doesn't effect me though. In this way this is a little different than other diseases because once covid - 19is allowed in to the community the non vaxed will be exposed to it pretty quick, due its virulence and novel status. There will be no point to maintain harsh vaccine passports for everything after that.

Your alcohol example is what I was referring too. The employment of teachers not being criminals seems a absurd Comparison so let’s go to your actual one. Military taking vaccines. It’s not one I agree with myself, and I’d argue that anything that hinders or puts anyone off joining the armed forces is a huge net negative and not a positive outcome

The second paragraph is nonesense. The vaxxed will be exposed to it the same amount of times as the non vaxxed. How many times can we tell you the vaccine doesn’t stop you from getting it before you acknowledge that reality? Seriously tell me.

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

This is just the start of the shit show, A couple of residents in Queensland at a retirement village has been given 4 doses of the Pfizer vax.

If they die, I'm sure there will be no correlation however.

 

[Venkman]

Your alcohol example is what I was referring too. The employment of teachers not being criminals seems a absurd Comparison so let’s go to your actual one. Military taking vaccines. It’s not one I agree with myself, and I’d argue that anything that hinders or puts anyone off joining the armed forces is a huge net negative and not a positive outcome

The second paragraph is nonesense. The vaxxed will be exposed to it the same amount of times as the non vaxxed. How many times can we tell you the vaccine doesn’t stop you from getting it before you acknowledge that reality? Seriously tell me.

It's not an absurd comparison - someone checking your history is a loss of a personal liberty. Again, you make your choices though - you don't have to do that job.

I'm not saying the vaxed wont get exposed or that they wont transmit - the overwhelming evidence at the moment though is that it prevents serious illness. I'm just saying we will get herd immunity pretty quick.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

It's not an absurd comparison - someone checking your history is a loss of a personal liberty. Again, you make your choices though - you don't have to do that job.

I'm not saying the vaxed wont get exposed or that they wont transmit - the overwhelming evidence at the moment though is that it prevents serious illness. I'm just saying we will get herd immunity pretty quick.

Checking your history for a negative result or negative consequential actions means you lose liberties yes. Checking my history to see what drugs I have and one that has zero net negative results and is not a negative consequential action just isnt the same thing.

Herd immunity in what sense? Their is a very real possibility that the virus flows freely but in the dormant non symptomatic way the vaccine promotes, mutates, the current mRNA fails to respond, Pfizer tweek the vaccine in 6 months time you are back in the chair taking a needle again. Herd immunity means to squash the virus and stop it from existing. The definition is

Herd immunity occurs when a large portion of a community (the herd) becomes immune to a disease, making the spread of disease from person to person unlikely.

This vaccine doesnt do that at all, and if anything promotes the opposite. In 6 months time we will be further away from herd immunity then ever before thanks to Pfizer

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

Pfizer charged with health fraud & fined $2.3 Billion, I'd say this is why the government has given indemnity.

It's pretty alarming that the majority of Governments around the world are using a company with a criminal history to protect our health.

I'd certainly never turn to or trust an organisation with a criminal history.

 

[Crankitup]

Look at this from Cairns News.

They claim ScoMo used a needle that is not used for the vaccine. You can tell by the colour orange when a blue or green cap, indicting the correct size for any intramuscular injections, should have been used.

A marketing stunt!

Morrison called out on wrong needle for Pfizer vaccination marketing stunt - www.cairnsnews.org

By TONY MOBILIFONITISBIG pharma executives know only too well the dangers of vaccines and the adverse reactions that range from death to disability or minor injuries like fainting or sore arms. To risk a severe reaction or even death from a vaccine given to a celebrity or prominent person would...

cairnsnews.org

Debunked already. Either that or they're fantastic spin doctors.

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[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Australia has the weirdest concepts around "loss of liberty" around. No country is more willing to give itself up then us. A lot of people put it down too the fact that the smaller the community, the more protectionist you are of it. Maybe the political landscape being so narrow in that neither political party is a opposition of one another. They are just the same concept wearing a different colored tie. Maybe the fact that 70% of our media is controlled by 1 living creature it results in 70% of the message being the same meaning a chance for diversity in concepts is somewhat lost on us as a whole?

The human psyche and how Australia has taken the situation we have is truly one worth studying globally and for years to come. In a weird way Australia is and will be the first democratic dictatorship. We elect a person, but we do not elect the political principles, the policies or have any influence even in the slightest in the direction of the country. I personally think its down to the political landscape in Australia. Both sides are owned by the same people in the same way.

If Covid showed us anything in Australia it truly is, we have no politcal system. We just have another branch of big business thats hosted in Canberra

 

[MrKK]

Australia has the weirdest concepts around "loss of liberty" around. No country is more willing to give itself up then us. A lot of people put it down too the fact that the smaller the community, the more protectionist you are of it. Maybe the political landscape being so narrow in that neither political party is a opposition of one another. They are just the same concept wearing a different colored tie. Maybe the fact that 70% of our media is controlled by 1 living creature it results in 70% of the message being the same meaning a chance for diversity in concepts is somewhat lost on us as a whole?

The human psyche and how Australia has taken the situation we have is truly one worth studying globally and for years to come. In a weird way Australia is and will be the first democratic dictatorship. We elect a person, but we do not elect the political principles, the policies or have any influence even in the slightest in the direction of the country. I personally think its down to the political landscape in Australia. Both sides are owned by the same people in the same way.

If Covid showed us anything in Australia it truly is, we have no politcal system. We just have another branch of big business thats hosted in Canberra

I think it was Clive James that said we're descended from prison guards as well as convicts. Makes a lot of sense this past year.

 

[ioppolo]

Australian's also appear to be the least likely to question, well, anything. Countries around the world appear to have protests or contrary views at the very least.

Meanwhile WA is one step away from becoming a literal police state. And most here wouldn't have a problem with that.

We've had it too easy since the end of WWII. Between 1946-2019, what issues did Australia really have? Those born in the 1950s and 1960s have probably had the easiest life, in terms of no wars, no political disasters, no control & surveillance. Sure you had to work damn hard for your money, but households could get away with one income to raise a family for the most part. As long as you worked hard, things were okay.

No I'm not some 26 year old mad as **** dickhead, I come to this conclusion talking to Boomers, some I know and some who are strangers.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I think it was Clive James that said we're descended from prison guards as well as convicts. Makes a lot of sense this past year.

Ive looked at that thought and im not sure it holds true. We have had too much immigration since for our history to define us. I just look at the W.A election as a real pointer to just how wrong the political landscape is. Not sure if you are in W.A or not but the current election is

Mark McGowan - "If i am elected I want to create more jobs in the mining sector"
Zak Kirkupp - "Yeah I agree with that. I also want to create more jobs in agriculture too"
Mark McGowan - "Yeah thats a good idea"

We are effectively choosing between a Red M&M and a Blue M&M here. Its jut absurd

 

[burge13]

Australian's also appear to be the least likely to question, well, anything. Countries around the world appear to have protests or contrary views at the very least.

Meanwhile WA is one step away from becoming a literal police state. And most here wouldn't have a problem with that.

We've had it too easy since the end of WWII. Between 1946-2019, what issues did Australia really have? Those born in the 1950s and 1960s have probably had the easiest life, in terms of no wars, no political disasters, no control & surveillance. Sure you had to work damn hard for your money, but households could get away with one income to raise a family for the most part. As long as you worked hard, things were okay.

No I'm not some 26 year old mad as fu** dickhead, I come to this conclusion talking to Boomers, some I know and some who are strangers.

We have had it too easy for too long. It shows, especially when covid is even worrisome for people here, it shouldn't even be a footnote here but it dominated lives.

I said it at the start and it still rings true. For these "stay home" losers, this is the closest they'll ever come to being a hero. They're batman for a few moments on Facebook telling everyone to wear a mask, as if that even matters

My bus is packed to the gills for work again but if one case popped up these halfwits would mask up for a few months, WFH and the fear would come back immediately. In reality though, round one of AFL should be a sold-out Adelaide Oval (it won't be against any common sense or logic. The optics wouldn't suit)

 

[Lethal Knights]

Checking your history for a negative result or negative consequential actions means you lose liberties yes. Checking my history to see what drugs I have and one that has zero net negative results and is not a negative consequential action just isnt the same thing.

Herd immunity in what sense? Their is a very real possibility that the virus flows freely but in the dormant non symptomatic way the vaccine promotes, mutates, the current mRNA fails to respond, Pfizer tweek the vaccine in 6 months time you are back in the chair taking a needle again. Herd immunity means to squash the virus and stop it from existing. The definition is

Herd immunity occurs when a large portion of a community (the herd) becomes immune to a disease, making the spread of disease from person to person unlikely.

This vaccine doesnt do that at all, and if anything promotes the opposite. In 6 months time we will be further away from herd immunity then ever before thanks to Pfizer

The narrative around needing more vaccines due to variants and mutations has already started and now it is moving to the need for digital health passes...bc of these future threats!!
Israel have the green pass.
UK /Ireland debating what form. WEF promoting it.

Once again people thought the vaccine was the way out. IT IS NOT.
The goalposts are changing again.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

The narrative around needing more vaccines due to variants and mutations has already started and now it is moving to the need for digital health passes...bc of these future threats!!
Israel have the green pass.
UK /Ireland debating what form. WEF promoting it.

Once again people thought the vaccine was the way out. IT IS NOT.
The goalposts are changing again.

Pretty much

Im of the belief myself that once the 6 billion vaccines are dolled out, Pfizer will be the biggest and most powerful company in the world.

If someone gave me the option of owning Amazon or owning Pfizer right now where we stand, id take Pfizer. Not even a contest. I wont though because of my own ethics but I think if you can get around that, then buy up. Guys like Venk and owen should be all in in those shares.

 

[MrKK]

Ive looked at that thought and im not sure it holds true. We have had too much immigration since for our history to define us. I just look at the W.A election as a real pointer to just how wrong the political landscape is. Not sure if you are in W.A or not but the current election is

Mark McGowan - "If i am elected I want to create more jobs in the mining sector"
Zak Kirkupp - "Yeah I agree with that. I also want to create more jobs in agriculture too"
Mark McGowan - "Yeah thats a good idea"

We are effectively choosing between a Red M&M and a Blue M&M here. Its jut absurd

Yeah, the prison guard comment was tongue-in-cheek, but we've had so many closet authoritarians reveal themselves this year to support any restrictions put in place for 'safety.

I'm in SA so haven't followed the WA election. Sounds like the same pattern everywhere in Australia where supposed oppositions have supported governments either explicitly or through silence, leaving no real political choice for us mug voters.

 

[Lethal Knights]

Biden’s “Wartime effort” against “deadly virus”.
The propaganda and censorship continues.

White House working with social media giants to silence anti-vaxxers

The White House is asking social media companies to clamp down on chatter that deviates from officially distributed COVID-19 information as part of President Biden’s “wartime effort&#82…

nypost.com

“The White House is asking social media companies to clamp down on chatter that deviates from officially distributed COVID-19 information as part of President Biden’s “wartime effort” to vanquish the coronavirus.

A senior administration official tells Reuters that the Biden administration is asking Facebook, Twitter and Google to help prevent anti-vaccine fears from going viral, as distrust of the inoculations emerges as a major barrier in the fight against the deadly virus.”

 

[Catfish Alley]

Once again people thought the vaccine was the way out. IT IS NOT.
The goalposts are changing again.

I get there have been snap lockdowns and border closures but in day-to-day life what is still shut down?