Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #2: Lockdowns

[Bumpswithagrin]

Fauci is an absolute power hungry knob, a horrid man.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

"More than three million people have died as a result of this pandemic and Australians don't want to see that coming to Australia. They can be assured I'm taking decisions that will keep them safe."

Smokings killed 8 million in the same period. When will you make decisions that will keep us safe?

 

[Present Not Past]

Smokings killed 8 million in the same period. When will you make decisions that will keep us safe?

Everyone is free to never begin smoking or to quit at any time. In Australia they've even forced retailers to sell the cigarettes in plain packing, banned cigarette advertising and broadcast quit smoking advertisements. Apart from taking the cigarettes out of the hands of smokers I don't know what else they can do.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Everyone is free to never begin smoking or to quit at any time. In Australia they've even forced retailers to sell the cigarettes in plain packing, banned cigarette advertising and broadcast quit smoking advertisements. Apart from taking the cigarettes out of the hands of smokers I don't know what else they can do.

Take the cigarettes out of the hands of smokers? He took the rights of people to leave there homes, travel, what they can wear, where they can go but lifting a 5cm object out of ones hand is a step too far? Its a batshit insane thought process that

 

[Present Not Past]

Take the cigarettes out of the hands of smokers? He took the rights of people to leave there homes, travel, what they can wear, where they can go but lifting a 5cm object out of ones hand is a step too far? Its a batshit insane thought process that

If people are willing to self-identify as having the virus or potentially having the virus then by all means only isolate them and let everyone do what they like. But good luck with trying to stop a highly infectious virus spreading throughout the community. LOL.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

If people are willing to self-identify as having the virus or potentially having the virus then by all means only isolate them and let everyone do what they like. But good luck with trying to stop a highly infectious virus spreading throughout the community. LOL.

Thats a huge topic shift

In any sense how do you propose a asymptomatic person self identify as having the virus so he can isolate himself? The best way to keep someone on the path you want is to create a never ending path I suppose.

Highly infectious viruses spread throughout the community is one thing. Highly infectious addictions spreading throughout the community with pure intent with to create tax revenue is rather counter productive against do all to save all argument. In 2015 for example based on tax revenue attributed to each death we rake in 495,000 dollars per death that smoking causes. Based on this revenue model, based on the economic relief funding we have spent on Covid, if Covid killed 262,000 people it would be the same economic figures created. So we would have 1 death per 495,000 dollars in taxation revenue in hand

Can you explain how any of that makes sense. So if its a eye for a eye and a life for a life, how can we take in 495,000 in tax revenue in one respect yet when you adjudicate that to the current day scenario and flip the financial script, we should be happy to accept 262,000 deaths for Covid?

EDIT : Im only talking financial relief spent. If i add in the GDP drop then its more along the lines of 550,000 deaths we should accept based on the same financial modelling used for smoking deaths

 

[Hawk Dork]

Thats a huge topic shift

In any sense how do you propose a asymptomatic person self identify as having the virus so he can isolate himself? The best way to keep someone on the path you want is to create a never ending path I suppose.

Highly infectious viruses spread throughout the community is one thing. Highly infectious addictions spreading throughout the community with pure intent with to create tax revenue is rather counter productive against do all to save all argument. In 2015 for example based on tax revenue attributed to each death we rake in 495,000 dollars per death that smoking causes. Based on this revenue model, based on the economic relief funding we have spent on Covid, if Covid killed 262,000 people it would be the same economic figures created. So we would have 1 death per 495,000 dollars in taxation revenue in hand

Can you explain how any of that makes sense. So if its a eye for a eye and a life for a life, how can we take in 495,000 in tax revenue in one respect yet when you adjudicate that to the current day scenario and flip the financial script, we should be happy to accept 262,000 deaths for Covid?

EDIT : Im only talking financial relief spent. If i add in the GDP drop then its more along the lines of 550,000 deaths we should accept based on the same financial modelling used for smoking deaths

are you arguing that we should let more people die to get our monies worth ???

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

are you arguing that we should let more people die to get our monies worth ???

Im arguing we should have consistent political policies and do the opposite. If you want to protect people from covid, fine, but protect them from smoking, alcoholism and obesity too.

I want less people to die here knowing full well if we stop smoking, reduce obesity and alcoholism we will save many many many more millions then we would from stopping Covid

 

[Hawk Dork]

Im arguing we should have consistent political policies.

how when you get a once in 100 year global pandemic with no instructions ?

You dont think Australia did well up until now ?

The vax rollout and reopening will be the next big test

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

how when you get a once in 100 year global pandemic with no instructions ?

You dont think Australia did well ?

Consistent protection of your citizens isnt a 1 in 100 year event. If it is that says alot about your failing political system id say

 

[Hawk Dork]

Consistent protection of your citizens isnt a 1 in 100 year event. If it is that says alot about your failing political system id say

hard to be consistent when the unexpected happens

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

hard to be consistent when the unexpected happens

Smoking deaths is as expected as you are going to get mate.

 

[Hawk Dork]

Smoking deaths is as expected as you are going to get mate.

I thought this was the Covid thread ?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I thought this was the Covid thread ?

I thought each life was worth saving and protecting?

 

[Hawk Dork]

I thought each life was worth saving and protecting?

still the covid thread

I thought you were arguing that collateral damage is worth it for your freedoms ?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

still the covid thread

I thought you were arguing that collateral damage is worth it for your freedoms ?

Im arguing that the collateral damage isnt measured or proportionate against the threat we have? Im providing alternate measurement methods is all

You are changing the subject to move away from that clear hypocrisy it seems

 

[Bender20]

are you arguing that we should let more people die to get our monies worth ???

Death rose exponentially after vaccination in care homes, staff were vaccinated at the same time as residence. Staff were shattered because they were not able to work out how, as they had been so careful and had got through two waves with few cases , they had protocols to deal with it which were successful in the past.
Are vaccines saving lives or taking lives ?

Covid-related deaths in care homes in England jump by 46%

Number of deaths at highest level since mid-May and UK toll at more than 25,000, figures show

www.google.com

 

[Hawk Dork]

Death rose exponentially after vaccination in care homes, staff were vaccinated at the same time as residence. Staff were shattered because they were not able to work out how, as they had been so careful and had got through two waves with few cases , they had protocols to deal with it which were successful in the past.
Are vaccines saving lives or taking lives ?

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Covid-related deaths in care homes in England jump by 46%

Number of deaths at highest level since mid-May and UK toll at more than 25,000, figures show

www.google.com

can you compare deaths of people who died of the vax V people who died of the ronna ?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

can you compare deaths of people who died of the vax V people who died of the ronna ?

Why does it matter? The vaccine is supposed to create a immune response based on 1 dosage. If they had 1 doseage and died of rona, the vaccine isnt working? Its a lose/lose scenario

 

[Hawk Dork]

Im arguing that the collateral damage isnt measured or proportionate against the threat we have? Im providing alternate measurement methods is all

You are changing the subject to move away from that clear hypocrisy it seems

lol
You tried to inject smoking as a red herring surely thats trying to change the subject ?

Isnt the problem not just deaths which are substantial but long covid which we will keep finding out about and economic impacts of locking down and not locking down ?


Which country should we have copied to achieve your elusive nirvana of freedom and fiscal responsibility ?

 

[Hawk Dork]

Why does it matter? The vaccine is supposed to create a immune response based on 1 dosage. If they had 1 doseage and died of rona, the vaccine isnt working? Its a lose/lose scenario

1 dosage ???

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

1 dosage ???

That is Benders point. All these nursing homes had there 1st dose and deaths rose. If the deaths are rising after 1 dose, the question is why isnt that 1 dose preventing death or why is it having such close proximity to rising death totals?

Either question is a shit question to ask from the vaccine perspective which is why I dont think it matters. Lose/lose

 

[Mick F]

but what he said is true is it not ?
Catch 22 for the freedom fighters damned if you do damned if you dont...and we are all damned when you dont

One of the greatest headlines EVER from @VanityFair!

Jim Jordan Trips Over His Own arseh*le Trying to Debate Anthony Fauci

 

[Hawk Dork]

One uncomfortable truth is that surging COVID-19 cases promote new variants that threaten the very vaccine programs that are meant to be the world’s exit strategy. Without simultaneously adopting both widespread vaccination and public health suppression, COVID-19 will not be defeated by anyone.

The longer we delay doing this, the longer COVID-19 will dominate the world’s health and economic status.

Professor Mike Toole is an epidemiologist at the Burnet Institute. Professor Brendan Crabb is the director of the Burnet Institute.

 

[MarcMaverick]