Cotch and Rance Vs Judd

[captain cotch 9]

7 years ago we offered pick 2 and 18 to WCE for Judd.
There is no doubt that Judd is a star. A primership captain, Norm smith medalist, dual brownlown medalist.
The man oozes leadership and elite character.
In my opinion though we are better off that, that trade didn't go through.
Judd said on the couch last night that his move to Carlton would of been a failer if he dosent win a flag. And of course they won't win next year.

If we did get Judd I think we will be in a worse situation than we are now.
Cotchin is young captain that demands similar respect with how he carries himself. He is growing as a leader.
Rance is a superstar that is severly underrated in the comp.


Do people think we are better off with Cotch and Rance or would of it been better to get Judd

 

[TigerImposter]

Considering we made finals last year and Cotchin had surpassed Judd. We were already in front
Judd got his Brownlow . But he wouldn't have fast tracked us by much
Look CFC they got some mediocre final appearances but were never a threat
Now Judd has one season left and Cotchin and Rance have at least 7-10. We are miles in front. Also Judd would have eaten our salary cap up .We wouldn't have had the room to lock up our other kids plus lids and jack
We chose wisely and bred our own and were patient now the rewards will come

 

[Roachy8]

Tough to argue that Judd would not have been a positive influence but would not have got us near a premiership.
Similar to what happened at Carlton - likely would have been better off to have kept Kennedy.

Goddard & Chappy the same for those Druggies - not really a quantum step towards the ultimate success.

Cotch and Rance will be with us for another 7 - 9 years - Judd will be living in the Amazon on some Visy scholarship.

I'm comfortable with this.

 

[TheProwler]

Judd would have floundered amongst our team 7 years ago. For the future we are lucky Judd didn't take the offer. This is also poingnent given a guy like Danger is available next year. Would we give away our first two picks and probably a player for him?

 

[RoaringTiger]

Judd would not have come to richmond so our 2+18 offer was never really in play. I am glad we have got cotch and rance. They are both guns.

 

[Underarm]

Hindsight is 20/20. Judd was the best in the league. Cotchin wouldn't be better and who knows what/who pick 18 would acheive. Pick 20 was Tony Notte!

I don't think we needed Judd as much as Carlton did.

 

[This Is Anfield]

No contest, we did the right thing! Whether that was by design or accident is another story.

 

[juss]

Judd would have given us about 5 years quality service before his body started to break down. Cotchin and Rance will give us 15 each. Cotchin and Rance will also rack up multiple B&Fs and AAs between them before they retire, Judd probably would have given us a few seasons at that level.

There's no doubt we have done far better with Cotchin and Rance than we would have with Judd.

 

[tigerT]

no brainer - also as good as Judds been carlton would've been better off holding onto kennedy and masten

 

[Stevi_Tigers]

Judd has been a great of the game and if it was him fully fit like at his west coast days that would of been hard to pass up. But I'm happy with cotch and rance

 

[telsor]

2 points.

1. If we'd taken him, we would have done better 'immediately', meaning our picks in later years would have been worse (so no Dusty, etc).

2. It's debatable if it was a real bid, or just helping WCE out by forcing Carlton to a more realistic price ( it's probably not coincidental that we got Mitch Morton off them for pick #35, which was considered to be a very good deal for us at the time )

 

[WALDENPOND]

If we'd taken him, we would have done better 'immediately', meaning our picks in later years would have been worse (so no Dusty, etc).

I used to always use this line on the Franklin draft.

Seriously though the thread question is a joke surely.

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

7 years ago we offered pick 2 and 18 to WCE for Judd.
There is no doubt that Judd is a star. A primership captain, Norm smith medalist, dual brownlown medalist.
The man oozes leadership and elite character.
In my opinion though we are better off that, that trade didn't go through.
Judd said on the couch last night that his move to Carlton would of been a failer if he dosent win a flag. And of course they won't win next year.

If we did get Judd I think we will be in a worse situation than we are now.
Cotchin is young captain that demands similar respect with how he carries himself. He is growing as a leader.
Rance is a superstar that is severly underrated in the comp.


Do people think we are better off with Cotch and Rance or would of it been better to get Judd

Imagine how successful it would of been if we hadn't pissed away pick 19 on Jordan McMahon and grabbed Callan Ward with Cotch and Rance. The entire league would be kissing our hairy bean bags.

 

[Stylo]

Imagine how successful it would of been if we hadn't pissed away pick 19 on Jordan McMahon and grabbed Callan Ward with Cotch and Rance. The entire league would be kissing our hairy bean bags.

I think we were gonna jump on Scott Selwood. But if that happened, we may not have Dusty!

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

Either would of been nice . We still would have got Dusty , he just picks himself. Gee his u18 form was irresistible .

 

[NZ_Tiger]

I think landing Judd would of been just enough rope for the Tigers to hang themselves with.

 

[Cotcho]

Considering we made finals last year and Cotchin had surpassed Judd. We were already in front
Judd got his Brownlow . But he wouldn't have fast tracked us by much
Look CFC they got some mediocre final appearances but were never a threat
Now Judd has one season left and Cotchin and Rance have at least 7-10. We are miles in front. Also Judd would have eaten our salary cap up .We wouldn't have had the room to lock up our other kids plus lids and jack
We chose wisely and bred our own and were patient now the rewards will come

Thought we offered the Eagles that and they declined because Judd didn't want to come to us....sounds like we were lucky rather than "wise".

 

[a_fighting_fury]

No contest, we did the right thing! Whether that was by design or accident is another story.

According to the OP what we did was we offered picks 2 & 18 for Judd. Is that the right thing that you're referring to? Our play for Judd was IMO not the right thing considering the clubs finances at the time. Was it this deal that KB claimed we were "in the box seat" to get Judd? haha
But do agree it's no contest looking back on the outcome, our picks 2 & 18 were far more beneficial for us than landing Judd.

 

[TigerImposter]

Thought we offered the Eagles that and they declined because Judd didn't want to come to us....sounds like we were lucky rather than "wise".

Possibly , but we still chose wisely after the event
Remember the Tamblng draft

 

[a_fighting_fury]

Either would of been nice . We still would have got Dusty , he just picks himself. Gee his u18 form was irresistible .

Some might say "delicious".

 

[Cotcho]

Possibly , but we still chose wisely after the event
Remember the Tamblng draft

Yup, we took the best 2 mids in the competition that were desired by all clubs picking after us....our development stunk though!!

 

[TigerImposter]

Yup, we took the best 2 mids in the competition that were desired by all clubs picking after us....our development stunk though!!

Didn't we develop Lids?
Don't believe you Cotcho as there were issues and risks with Takbling . If you're good enough and escape injury you will make it. Tambling was never good enough to be an A grader
We chose poorly as Terry was adamant on mids. But the club needed at least one tall , instead he left it later in the draft for Adam Pattison
It wasn't a developmental issue it was poor selection on our behalf
True Champions show up and develop themselves like Lids Cotchin Martin and now Ellis
Yes the b to c graders need delopment and flaws in their games fixed. Watching Tambling at Coburg early on we all knew he was never going to make it for two major reasons
1 you can't take fear out of a player. He was scared to attack the ball and that's why he was left roaming around on the back flank rather than in the guts
2 From 1 above his ability to make correct decisions in the clinches dropped off. He made major turn overs bc of fear and panic. His last game for Adelaide where he butchered the ball bc he panicked under no pressure as he saw a player coming at him . he didn't want to take the hit for the team so the turn over cost them the game
This incident stamped his career after I saw Sandersons disgust

 

[Cotcho]

Didn't we develop Lids?
Don't believe you Cotcho as there were issues and risks with Takbling . If you're good enough and escape injury you will make it. Tambling was never good enough to be an A grader
We chose poorly as Terry was adamant on mids. But the club needed at least one tall , instead he left it later in the draft for Adam Pattison
It wasn't a developmental issue it was poor selection on our behalf
True Champions show up and develop themselves like Lids Cotchin Martin and now Ellis
Yes the b to c graders need delopment and flaws in their games fixed. Watching Tambling at Coburg early on we all knew he was never going to make it for two major reasons
1 you can't take fear out of a player. He was scared to attack the ball and that's why he was left roaming around on the back flank rather than in the guts
2 From 1 above his ability to make correct decisions in the clinches dropped off. He made major turn overs bc of fear and panic. His last game for Adelaide where he butchered the ball bc he panicked under no pressure as he saw a player coming at him . he didn't want to take the hit for the team so the turn over cost them the game
This incident stamped his career after I saw Sandersons disgust

Perhaps but he could play in the 18s and could train the house down. I don't necesarily think it was physical fear of being hurt, I think it was fear from making a mistake. If he was drafted to us now or a Geelong at the time he never would have played in his first year, or maybe even his second. It would be like McBean playing last year. How'd he be going if he was in the VFL now after being destroyed so many times. I just don't know.

I understand that some/most top grade elite talent will make it no matter what but I think that also depends on what you have upstairs.. And players who don't have it at good clubs can still make it by being protected. I've got a similar opinion on Watts....who knows if he didn't get belted on Queens Bday all those years ago and ever since the player he'd be. Remember these boys are just that...boys....18 year old kids, skinny as fuq.....playing on the MCG against blokes who have had AFL training and plenty of gym sessions and weight behind them...

Anyway, you could be right. I just don't believe Tambling was as bad as what people make out. I would love to rewind and see where we'd be if we had taken Roughhead instead. Im not confident that he would even be playing if he was and he was arguably Hawks most valuable player in their flag last year. He really struggled for a good while at AFL level but at a good club...didn't cop pressure and bronx cheers after 3 games!! haha It'd just be interesting.

As for Rance....i'm certain if he was drafted in the Tambling draft he would've been run out of the game or to another club. It's an astute pick now but do we remember how bad he was? This i really put down to our current development and structures.

But yes, I agree essentially. We picked well for Cotch and Rance. Thank god!!

 

[TigerImposter]

Disagree with most of your Tambling speech, but agree Roughy would have been nice even though the option was snuffed out bc we picked Lids first
It could only of been Franklin

 

[Cotcho]

Disagree with most of your Tambling speech, but agree Roughy would have been nice even though the option was snuffed out bc we picked Lids first
It could only [have] been Franklin

Wasn't a speech for one but that's ok. No you misunderstand, If they took Tambling with their first pick we would have got Roughy. IMO Roughy would have ended out as a big spud and probably shifted off to another club given his first 5 years of average football in a very, very good football club and Tambling would probably be ok for them. If you disagree that's fine.