Roast Cotchin

[RichoLedio]

Doubt it. We didn't get the ball in the first few minutes and when we did we kicked it to Port.

Who knows the way the ball was moving towards the southern end from the middle a quick kick out the middle could have given us half a chance to slow their momentum

 

[Ralll]

I agree it was a poor decision, Port claimed they didnt know which way to choose if they won the toss either, its like this game in September will dictate which way teams kick in the future, unfortunately we were the guinea pigs and got it wrong.
By the way we played I dont think a more even start would have been enough for us anyway, we were off by a long way.

 

[tgrs]

I mentioned the turnovers. Which in turn leads onto mistakes.

Really leading 'poor effort' when you are leading clearances, contested possies and tackles? That would be unusual.

Sometimes statistics don't tell the story though. With almost every port movement you could see multiple players trying to provide overlapping run, getting out in space to make options and communicating with their team mates. Meanwhile, our players were failing to track their run, giving weak efforts to chase and defend and when we did have the ball we were so indecisive that we would over handball and run into trouble or kick it right to the ****ing spare.

No point leading clearances if you're just booting it right to their spare all day and no point leading contested possessions if you can't use it on the outside and be damaging when you have it. Only reason we were leading tackles is because we spent most of the day chasing their shadows and whenever we got the ball we gave it straight back.

 

[DrMike]

I mentioned the turnovers. Which in turn leads onto mistakes.

Really leading 'poor effort' when you are leading clearances, contested possies and tackles? That would be unusual.

There's a lot more to football than clearances, contested possessions and tackles. For a start their uncontested possessions were through the roof and considering the number of times they had it and we were near them, our tackle count should have been a lot higher.

Look, I'm not saying the boys didn't try, they were spent and it showed, but the effort required to be successful and competitive at AFL is above what they produced, regardless of whether they tried or not. Just calling a spade a spade. Keep in mind I'm critical about our performance, but still optimistic for the future.

After 13 games we were equal last, you don't make the 8 from they unless a team can produce good football and have good leadership, unfortunately at the end of the day it doesn't matter this year, but it will still galvanize the playing group going forward.

 

[tigerz18]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-09-07/coin-toss-irrelevant
The headline says it all, but if you really want more evidence, how about the opposition coach?

"Hinkley, who naturally has more experience at Adelaide's new home of football than the Tigers, conceded the Power didn't know what they would have done had the toss gone in their favour.

"In the box we weren't sure … it felt like the breeze was affecting both ends to be fair," Hinkley said.

"Travis [Boak] asked me two or three times 'which way are we going to kick?' and we weren't absolutely, 100 per cent sure ourselves.

"They looked bad at the end but … Trent Cotchin didn't make a horrendous mistake or anything, it was just a pretty tough decision to make."

Hinkley showing class here by not bagging a losing teams captain after completely smashing them. he was rubbing his hands together as soon as the coin toss was over.
To have all the commentators and people like J. Brown talking about the decision shows just how big a decision it was.
everyone chooses with the breeze.
however, i am willing to accept Cotch's explanation that HE couldnt tell that their was an advantage and accept that we were complete and utter shizen.

 

[TiggerMan22]

Hinkley showing class here by not bagging a losing teams captain after completely smashing them. he was rubbing his hands together as soon as the coin toss was over.
To have all the commentators and people like J. Brown talking about the decision shows just how big a decision it was.
everyone chooses with the breeze.
however, i am willing to accept Cotch's explanation that HE couldnt tell that their was an advantage and accept that we were complete and utter shizen.

Brown said to kick with he wind. The fact is that NEITHER team could tell which way the wind was going.
Hinkley had no reason to lie, the fact is that the wind was swirly and they couldn't tell which side had the advantage. Just accept the truth and move on.

 

[Roachy8]

For those who were there, my mail was the wind was not a factor, as it was almost blowing across the ground?

Lack of desire and a playing a better side on the day seems more the problem

I have read this a lot - about it being a swirling wind, almost across the ground... that is simply not true.

So many kicks by us in the first qtr left the boot normally but around half way through the trajectory slowed and dropped almost vertically.
By the time Port were going that way in the second they had a qtr under their belts and with this understanding + the momentum from the first, they punched into it very well - kept kicks a lot lower... we were bombing them in early.

Also in the first, even Griffs kicks were hitting a brick wall mid flight yet in the end with 10 seconds to go in the game he kicked an 80 metre goal going the other way.

Having said that, the wind did not defeat us - Port did and we did.

I have absolutely zero doubt however, had we kicked the other way in the first we would not have been down by 7 goals to nil after 20 odd minutes & we would have been in the game a lot longer.

 

[tigerz18]

Brown said to kick with he wind. The fact is that NEITHER team could tell which way the wind was going.
Hinkley had no reason to lie, the fact is that the wind was swirly and they couldn't tell which side had the advantage. Just accept the truth and move on.

i have. i think that if Cotch chose to kick into the wind, then its a dumb decision.
but he came out and said he didnt feel there was an advantage, and i believe him, so feel that the wind wasnt an issue and we just played cr@p

 

[wart101]

The wind was clearly north to south

 

[wart101]

But that wasnt why we lost

 

[Roachy8]

So it seems that this wind over there is some sort of freaky devil zephyr of a thing which absolutely no one know which way it was blowing - was swirling around all over the place......
Until the first bounce of the ball when it suddenly picks up like a hurricane of biblical proportions and howls towards the left of screen...

Actually, pre bounce when we warmed up which end was it?
Surely as the players were practicing their goal kicking if it was into the wind they would have seen the flight of the ball going nuts?

Sorry - I still don't understand how it was apparently impossible to tell - until the game began and then it was so obvious?

 

[wart101]

So it seems that this wind over there is some sort of freaky devil zephyr of a thing which absolutely no one know which way it was blowing - was swirling around all over the place......
Until the first bounce of the ball when it suddenly picks up like a hurricane of biblical proportions and howls towards the left of screen...

Actually, pre bounce when we warmed up which end was it?
Surely as the players were practicing their goal kicking if it was into the wind they would have seen the flight of the ball going nuts?

Sorry - I still don't understand how it was apparently impossible to tell - until the game began and then it was so obvious?

I dont know why people are saying that, I can tell you now with 100 certainty it was blowing north to south

 

[SumTingWong]

He stuffed up the toss and he played terribly. I know he wasn't alone but he should hang his head in shame at his disgraceful performance as the leader of the greatest club in the land
Positive: at least he broke the 50% barrier for DE efficiency this week

 

[Roachy8]

I dont know why people are saying that, I can tell you now with 100 certainty it was blowing north to south

Sorry wart, I was not there.... can you confirm which direction that would have been when watching the telecast?

 

[wart101]

Sorry wart, I was not there.... can you confirm which direction that would have been when watching the telecast?

No

 

[wart101]

Sorry wart, I was not there.... can you confirm which direction that would have been when watching the telecast?

Sorry misunderstood the question, it was north the south, it was a little gusty but the advantage was north to south.

 

[CoggaRules]

Sorry misunderstood the question, it was north the south, it was a little gusty but the advantage was north to south.

I think we should have kicked to the wing then... At the end of the day, kick 1 in the first qtr was as clear an indication where the wind was going as any....now whatever anyone tries to suggest in this debate of it being swirly, no way ****ing known a player on the ground would have not had a good handle on where it was going....forget what Hinkley is suggesting, of course he is going to tow the party ****ing line. And not wanting to pay out to much on the team because of the 9-0 run...but FFS, you would think a coach with half a brain would have picked up on what the deal was early on the qtr re. the wind and sent 2 or 3 back to flood...FFS, why is it that Dimma just sits there hoping shit happens without doing shit to make shit happen!!! I mean here we were the scroeboard was blowing fuses 15 minutes in and every time the camera panned to the coach's box, Dimmas experssion seemed like we got it covered, no angst, just sitting there and I for one thought, shit, this dude has this super plan and we will run over the top of them in the second with the wind, until i realised we would have to have a 15 thousand goal qtr!!! No shit at one stage i thought Port were going to go into qtr time with a 20 goal lead, it was ****ing ridiculous.

 

[T Factor]

Hi guys, it definitely was a strange decision to kick into the wind. It was interesting that Ling mentioned as captain it was his call and not discussed with the coach and he was backed up by Leigh Matthews who said that he didn't get involved in the call as a coach. It is strange that with all the attention to detail, GPS, players monitored down to the minute that this is still left to the captain.

 

[bigange]

At the ground it didn't feel like it was a big breeze blowing one way over the other.

 

[monstabud]

regarding the wind,
i was at yesterdays game and the talk there was he shouldnt of gone against the wind because the wind was supposed to change direction. didnt happen so you cant blame the wind.
cotch didnt play too bad considering what happened.
i think the whole team was cooked before the game started, didnt look as keen as they were against the swanies. our final was the week before to make the 8 and played as such.
the 25 degree weather had a big impact on our team aswell, it was pretty hot.
the team effed up big time, the pre pre game warm up. only a few players came out and had a kick and they only kicked at the one end except newy who came down the other end. maybe if they practised at both ends would they have had a better idea of the wind strength.

 

[monstabud]

At the ground it didn't feel like it was a big breeze blowing one way over the other.

in the stand it was quiet good, but when ya went outside for a ciggie it was pretty strong.
i think it was gordon in the first quarter had a shot from 45 and didnt make the distance, the ball just stopped.

 

[monstabud]

So it seems that this wind over there is some sort of freaky devil zephyr of a thing which absolutely no one know which way it was blowing - was swirling around all over the place......
Until the first bounce of the ball when it suddenly picks up like a hurricane of biblical proportions and howls towards the left of screen...

Actually, pre bounce when we warmed up which end was it?
Surely as the players were practicing their goal kicking if it was into the wind they would have seen the flight of the ball going nuts?

Sorry - I still don't understand how it was apparently impossible to tell - until the game began and then it was so obvious?

i was going out for ciggies lol before the game and there was eff all wind but when i went out at quarter time it was nearly blowing a gale a few of us were thinkn where did this wind come from.

 

[Brad_12345]

Would not of changed the game, they were just far too good, the first 5 minutes we fumbled, couldnt stick a tackle, turned it over, was always gonna be a long day after that, we move on now and hopefully fix a few cracks in the off season and get ready for round 1

 

[Roachy8]

I mean here we were the scroeboard was blowing fuses 15 minutes in

LOL - the scoreboard was blowing fuses...

You are right though Cogga re. the strange resistance to stem the bleeding... It was pretty obvious after they slammed home their 3rd in no time that they were playing a brand of footy from heaven.
Man I would have played with a 12 man backline for 5 - 10 minutes to take some of the zing out of Port's step.

Might have kept us in the contest for long enough for our guys to settle and them to turn their volume knob back down from 11.

Strange inactivity IMO.

 

[pebblestone]

Blame the loss on wind? un-f**king believable some people

nice av.