Could this have been our Trade Week Collingwood????

[Snoop Dog]

Was doing some thinking and thought if we had really gone aggressive at trade week we could have had this;

Preface this by saying i am not necessarily advocating it but that it could have happened had we wanted it to;

R.Shaw - swapping of picks 61 and 46 as happened

that #46 could have been used to lure Prismall. Some on this thread have suggested he is damaged goods. Thats bs given plenty of young players have come back from knee inj - maybe those folks think Rusling, Dick etc are no good as well?

I would have thought a late bid of then #29 and Reid would have gotten us OKeefe. Plenty dont rate OKeefe on this thread but we have made an artform of rotating HFs through the middle and he is another. If Medhurst could do it - ROK could.

Could have also considered using Rusling as a swap for Thomson. We need inside ball winners and Thomson is a better bet than Stanley. Rusling is also going to find it hard to get past Dawes and Anthony (and Reid if he did stay). Dont forget the MacAffer either......

With Cousins in the PSD your best 22 then looks like;

B Clarke, Presti, OBrien
HB Maxwell, Brown, H.Shaw
C Lockyer, Swan, Thomas
HF OKeefe, Cloke, Didak
F Davis, Rocca, Medhurst
FOLL Fraser, Pendlebury
ROV Cousins
Int Prismall, OBree, Anthony, Wood

Emerg Thomson, Wellingham, McCarthy

Next 5 assuming you usually use 30 odd players for a prem tilt.

Dawes, Goldsack, Cox, Cook, Dick.

Selections - 11, 45, 77, 93, 109

Final issue is people will say cash - I say hogwash - with Wakes, Burns, Lonie, Rhyce etc all going we could have afforded this.

But once again, we didnt show enough imagination maybe

 

[G.O.B]

Could have also considered using Rusling as a swap for Thomson. We need inside ball winners and Thomson is a better bet than Stanley. Rusling is also going to find it hard to get past Dawes and Anthony (and Reid if he did stay). Dont forget the MacAffer either......

With Cousins in the PSD your best 22 then looks like;

B Clarke, Presti, OBrien
HB Maxwell, Brown, H.Shaw
C Lockyer, Swan, Thomas
HF OKeefe, Cloke, Didak
F Davis, Rocca, Medhurst
FOLL Fraser, Pendlebury
ROV Cousins
Int Prismall, OBree, Anthony, Wood

Emerg Thomson, Wellingham, McCarthy

If we were to swap Rusling for an inside mid, I would certainly hope that it was for a player already good enough to push O'Bree out of the side.

 

[mdc]

that #46 could have been used to lure Prismall. Some on this thread have suggested he is damaged goods. Thats bs given plenty of young players have come back from knee inj - maybe those folks think Rusling, Dick etc are no good as well?

I like Prismall, but we would have had to give up #29, not #46, since Essendon had offered #39, and probably a higher salary too.

I would have thought a late bid of then #29 and Reid would have gotten us OKeefe. Plenty dont rate OKeefe on this thread but we have made an artform of rotating HFs through the middle and he is another. If Medhurst could do it - ROK could.

Reid alone would have sufficed, and that still would have been a terrible trade for us.

Medhurst hasn't done it, in fact it's the exact opposite. Every time he's spent a quarter or two in the middle he's done SFA. O'Keefe would be no different.

Could have also considered using Rusling as a swap for Thomson. We need inside ball winners and Thomson is a better bet than Stanley.

Don't rate Rusling at all, and would be happy to trade him, but what makes you think Thomson is a better bet? How much of him have you seen in the last couple of years? Stanley looks terrific in the reserves as well.

 

[THATSGOLD]

TRADE REID? pfffttt GET OFF THE GRASS!

 

[The 10th Letter]

I don't think a swap of Ben Reid and our second rounder would have been enough to secure O'Keefe. Sydney turned down Hawthorn's offer of a draft pick and a player and I dare say that some of the players they could have acquired from Hawthorn would have been of higher value than the unproven Reid currently has.

Prismall ended up being traded for Pick #39, which clearly trumps your offering of #46 -- assuming of course that Sydney took the Ben Reid deal.

As for Thomson, I'm not convinced that Rusling would have gotten that deal done either. There is a chance and as far as market value goes it would be considered fair, but Port Adelaide and Collingwood obviously don't mesh all that well at the trade table.

The fact is, Richmond and Essendon were both interested in the likes of Prismall and Thomson and they were in a better position than us to acquire their services. Draft picks were the compensation that both Geelong and Port Adelaide were seeking and to trump either Essendon or Richmond we would have had to offer our second round pick. In both cases, I think we would have been paying too much when taking into consideration the importance that is being placed on this draft.

If we had have obtained these players, there are no guarentees that they would have catapulted us to instant premiership contenders. Prismall and Thomson are largely unknown quantities as far as becoming prime midfielders; and O'Keefe was not a ready made midfield answer. If the addition of these players did not result in premiership success within the short term, we may have compromised our chances from 2010 onwards.

 

[Rgs011]

I would've liked to have got a Defender given we've lost Clement and Wakes in the past two years, and Presti is near the end, and wouldn't be assuming 22 games out of him in 09.

Not sure who was available...maybe Carroll from Melbourne as a punt? Could have got him for a Corrie price. Or maybe for free in the PSD.

I am assuming (given our growing bunch of small forwards) that we got Corrie to enable us to use Leon or Dids in the Midfield more?

 

[Kirby]

Snoop, I think you need to get over this whole trade week thing.

It is clear that we didn't rate Thomson so I don't know why he is even mentioned. It seems we had no interest in Prismall either.

Sure, we had interest in O'Keefe but I don't think they were ever prepared to part with Reid for him (let alone our second pick too). You just have to accept that Reid is VERY highly rated by the club and was never ever going to be traded.

 

[The 10th Letter]

I would've liked to have got a Defender given we've lost Clement and Wakes in the past two years, and Presti is near the end, and wouldn't be assuming 22 games out of him in 09.

Not sure who was available...maybe Carroll from Melbourne as a punt? Could have got him for a Corrie price. Or maybe for free in the PSD.

I am assuming (given our growing bunch of small forwards) that we got Corrie to enable us to use Leon or Dids in the Midfield more?

Corrie could open up a few options for us. I don't see him as a permanent forward option, as he seems more comfortable playing from the half-back line, providing rebound and some run and carry.

He is capable of kicking goals though and uses the ball well. We've got the option of utilising him across the forward line to free up Didak and Davis into the midfield along with being able to use him along the wings and from half-back. In a sense he would be replacing some of the run and carry we've now lost by trading Shaw.

Offensively, his addition to the side may also buy time for the likes of Brad Dick and perhaps even Macaffer if we opt to elevate him. Dick can come back slowly from injury and both players could continue their development and really push for senior selection. As far as his running game is concerned and when taking the loss of Rhyce into account, his addition may also give added time for Barham to come on.

 

[Snoop Dog]

Medhurst hasn't done it, in fact it's the exact opposite. Every time he's spent a quarter or two in the middle he's done SFA. O'Keefe would be no different.

you serious - has shown a heap! spent a lot of time up the ground when the two boys were out. thought he did well - his second in the copeland would have been partly bc he was more than just a fwd pkt

 

[bradrowe#32]

Meh, those trades would have hardly improved us.

Trading Reid and 29 for O'Keefe is just nuts.

 

[Snoop Dog]

Snoop, I think you need to get over this whole trade week thing.

It is clear that we didn't rate Thomson so I don't know why he is even mentioned. It seems we had no interest in Prismall either.

Sure, we had interest in O'Keefe but I don't think they were ever prepared to part with Reid for him (let alone our second pick too). You just have to accept that Reid is VERY highly rated by the club and was never ever going to be traded.

Kirby am over the trading thing - its never been an issue - all this piece was to show as the title suggested 'what it could have been' - in the first line i say that I dont necessarily think we should have done it but its all reasonably plausible (whether you agree with the trades or not) and its interesting therefore to see what the 22 could have looked like. I was glad we didnt trade our 29 - pretty excited about the options there.

Perosnal opinion - was I a little perplexed about our trading strategy - Yes. Corrie didnt fit anything they had said was a problem. The bits they have identified as problems havent yet been fixed. Lets hope we get Cousins!

 

[qmaggies]

Why not take it a little further. For me first pick Hamish Mcintosh which then we could use Bryan as tall timber at chb or floating in that region, this would allow him to use his size and thumping kick. I would also like to see Fraser spend some more time in the forward line, to me he has the safest hands in our side and a great shot at goal inside or outside 50. We must use Didak, Marty Clarke, Davis and Mccarthy a little more in the middle to help pendles, obree, swan etc , all have silky hands and very clever under pressure. To add to this I am a fan of getting cousins as I am sure the club will be on a 1 maybe 2 strike policy and your out. Even at 70% he is still better than most midfielders in the game.

 

[The 10th Letter]

Kirby am over the trading thing - its never been an issue - all this piece was to show as the title suggested 'what it could have been' - in the first line i say that I dont necessarily think we should have done it but its all reasonably plausible (whether you agree with the trades or not) and its interesting therefore to see what the 22 could have looked like. I was glad we didnt trade our 29 - pretty excited about the options there.

Perosnal opinion - was I a little perplexed about our trading strategy - Yes. Corrie didnt fit anything they had said was a problem. The bits they have identified as problems havent yet been fixed. Lets hope we get Cousins!

It's just by stating "what it could have been" leads some to believe you're implying we failed this trade period. I guess as a hypothetical situation it's all kind of interesting.

Personally, I don't see what was so perplexing about how we went about things. We couldn't have landed any of the names you mentioned without effectively selling the farm, especially this trade period. The acquisition of Corrie was a surprise, but we paid nothing for him and at the very least he'll add some depth. The other thing to take into account with Corrie is that he's in an age bracket where he can improve and develop further, whilst also bringing some experience to the side.

You're definitely right about us not addressing any of our immediate issues during the trade period, although I think this was more due to the right option not being available more than being inactive. I think we'll all be carrying a lot of excitement and nerves entering this year's draft; let's hope Hine can handle the pressure and deliver.

 

[Ramere]

you serious - has shown a heap! spent a lot of time up the ground when the two boys were out. thought he did well - his second in the copeland would have been partly bc he was more than just a fwd pkt

Spot on Snoop, he definitely showed promise in the middle on occasion & I'd expect more of it next year.

 

[bucksisbest]

Reid could have quite easily got O'Keefe by himself, not that you'd be silly enough to do it.
I don't see how 46 could have lured Prismall if he was obtained with pick 39 , we would have had to give up a second round pick.
Thompson has less upside than Rusling , and has failed to establish himself as an AFL footballer so far. He seemed to have typically gained hype off messageboards during the build up to the trade period.

 

[mdc]

you serious - has shown a heap! spent a lot of time up the ground when the two boys were out. thought he did well - his second in the copeland would have been partly bc he was more than just a fwd pkt

He certainly was more than just a fwd pocket - he was a half-forward flanker. A very good one at that. But good luck finding me a game where he played well as a mid - it doesn't exist.

I'd go as far as to say that MM's "experiments" with Medders in the middle cost him the Copeland.

 

[Brahma Bull]

Could of, would of, should of. No more excuses! Don't get me wrong Snoop, you are one of the bigfooty posters which I have a fair bit of respect for. But I reckon the club knows what they are doing. I remember in 2005,2006 and 2007 drafts, we were all wanting a certain player to come to us eg. in 2005 we all wanted Xavier Ellis, in 2006 we all wanted Albert Proud. But we were proved wrong as they drafted Daisy and Pendles in 2005 with one of them being a star and the other on the verge of going ballistic. N.Brown from 2006 draft did amazing things for us this year.

I agree with your post(except for Reid) that maybe we should've gone a bit harder at Prismall, but I still believe that the club knows exactly what they are doing and they have better knowledge than us. We should just support them and most of the decisions they make.

 

[yazdo]

Was doing some thinking and thought if we had really gone aggressive at trade week we could have had this;

Preface this by saying i am not necessarily advocating it but that it could have happened had we wanted it to;

R.Shaw - swapping of picks 61 and 46 as happened

that #46 could have been used to lure Prismall. Some on this thread have suggested he is damaged goods. Thats bs given plenty of young players have come back from knee inj - maybe those folks think Rusling, Dick etc are no good as well?

I would have thought a late bid of then #29 and Reid would have gotten us OKeefe. Plenty dont rate OKeefe on this thread but we have made an artform of rotating HFs through the middle and he is another. If Medhurst could do it - ROK could.

Could have also considered using Rusling as a swap for Thomson. We need inside ball winners and Thomson is a better bet than Stanley. Rusling is also going to find it hard to get past Dawes and Anthony (and Reid if he did stay). Dont forget the MacAffer either......

With Cousins in the PSD your best 22 then looks like;

B Clarke, Presti, OBrien
HB Maxwell, Brown, H.Shaw
C Lockyer, Swan, Thomas
HF OKeefe, Cloke, Didak
F Davis, Rocca, Medhurst
FOLL Fraser, Pendlebury
ROV Cousins
Int Prismall, OBree, Anthony, Wood

Emerg Thomson, Wellingham, McCarthy

Next 5 assuming you usually use 30 odd players for a prem tilt.

Dawes, Goldsack, Cox, Cook, Dick.

Selections - 11, 45, 77, 93, 109

Final issue is people will say cash - I say hogwash - with Wakes, Burns, Lonie, Rhyce etc all going we could have afforded this.

But once again, we didnt show enough imagination maybe

Dear Snoop,

Your suggestion of trading Rusling and Reed to get ROK and Thompson is empty minded and should never be thought of much less writen about. It is claer that you don't know talent when you see it. Reed is going to be a superstar and rusling is an injury free season away from being a 50 - 60 goal forward. I am amazed that you suggested such a thing.

Your's in disbelief,

Yazdo

 

[Optimax]

Kirby am over the trading thing - its never been an issue - all this piece was to show as the title suggested 'what it could have been' - in the first line i say that I dont necessarily think we should have done it but its all reasonably plausible (whether you agree with the trades or not) and its interesting therefore to see what the 22 could have looked like. I was glad we didnt trade our 29 - pretty excited about the options there.

Right then so this thread as such was un-necessary and some of the trades very much not in our favour, but fair enough.

Perosnal opinion - was I a little perplexed about our trading strategy - Yes. Corrie didnt fit anything they had said was a problem. The bits they have identified as problems havent yet been fixed. Lets hope we get Cousins!

Hang on a second you really did want us to trade away for everything?

Little hint snoop we dont necessarily need to know or understand for that matter why our club does what it does with list manahement

 

[well left]

Perosnal opinion - was I a little perplexed about our trading strategy - Yes. Corrie didnt fit anything they had said was a problem. The bits they have identified as problems havent yet been fixed. Lets hope we get Cousins!

I remember reading somewhere on this forum (and if I wasn't so lazy I would try and find it) but I think someone asked McKenna after the last game what we would be targetting and he said an outside mid. Plenty of posts followed expressing disbelief and that we in fact needed an inside mid but it looks as though we followed through on McKenna's comments.

This means one of two things in my book - we are pretty happy with Stanley's development and he will come straight in for Burns next year or we think this draft is deep when it comes to inside mids.

Let's hope it's a little from Column A and a little from Column B!

 

[Snoop Dog]

It's just by stating "what it could have been" leads some to believe you're implying we failed this trade period. I guess as a hypothetical situation it's all kind of interesting.

Personally, I don't see what was so perplexing about how we went about things. We couldn't have landed any of the names you mentioned without effectively selling the farm, especially this trade period. The acquisition of Corrie was a surprise, but we paid nothing for him and at the very least he'll add some depth. The other thing to take into account with Corrie is that he's in an age bracket where he can improve and develop further, whilst also bringing some experience to the side.

You're definitely right about us not addressing any of our immediate issues during the trade period, although I think this was more due to the right option not being available more than being inactive. I think we'll all be carrying a lot of excitement and nerves entering this year's draft; let's hope Hine can handle the pressure and deliver.

Agree completely - maybe I mislabled the title - was never suggesting what we should have done, rather, what COULD have been done and then to let people make their mind up about which they thought was the right strategy.

Its clear from the responses what people thought which is great - thread was meant to provoke and let people debate what was right and wrong.

Its always interesting to see how we rate our own players and it will be interesting to revisit this in time and see if Rusling and Reid are worthy of the 'superstar status' some people are claiming they will be.

 

[Snoop Dog]

Right then so this thread as such was un-necessary and some of the trades very much not in our favour, but fair enough.

Hang on a second you really did want us to trade away for everything?

Little hint snoop we dont necessarily need to know or understand for that matter why our club does what it does with list manahement

Ease up O - where did I say I wanted to trade for everything? And talking about list mgmt - thats exactly what the trading and drafting period is all about.

So i am a little perplexed about our trading strategy - SO WHAT! I think a few pies supporters were keen to get a proven ball winner - FWIW Buckley certainly seemed to think so!

 

[Snoop Dog]

Dear Snoop,

Your suggestion of trading Rusling and Reed to get ROK and Thompson is empty minded and should never be thought of much less writen about. It is claer that you don't know talent when you see it. Reed is going to be a superstar and rusling is an injury free season away from being a 50 - 60 goal forward. I am amazed that you suggested such a thing.

Your's in disbelief,

Yazdo

Dear Yazdo,
You are a good Pie man but maybe you could learn to spell Reids surname properly before pondering their levels of talent or questioning my knowledge of them. Pretty comfortable with my knowledge of the Pies players and the kid coming thru. Will look fwd to checking this post in a few years and coming back to your claim of Reid being a superstar! I think he is good to but not willing to claim that just yet.
Yours (no ' required)
Snoop

 

[didaka]

I was pretty happy with our trade week to be honest.

We could've chased O'Keefe, Prismall and Harris but ultimately decided to stick firm and recruit from the draft. Green was looked at but it didn't proceed very far.

Not a lot of clubs succeed threw trading, especially those of which trade out for big name players. Your best bet is to try and find some gold for a low price eg. Medhurst.

We've taken the chance and recruited a player on the outer at his club, that we have obviously rated for some time as we have chased him before, and now we get the chance to find a player for nothing, and if it doesn't work we're really no worse off.

One mans trash is another mans treasure and the only winner from this deal can be our mob. These are the trades you have to look for.

 

[Crazy Tails]

I remember reading somewhere on this forum (and if I wasn't so lazy I would try and find it) but I think someone asked McKenna after the last game what we would be targetting and he said an outside mid. Plenty of posts followed expressing disbelief and that we in fact needed an inside mid but it looks as though we followed through on McKenna's comments.

This means one of two things in my book - we are pretty happy with Stanley's development and he will come straight in for Burns next year or we think this draft is deep when it comes to inside mids.

Let's hope it's a little from Column A and a little from Column B!

Well Left I remember the comments also from a poster that he was told we would be targetting an elite outside mid during trade week. From memory it was after the Semi Final Loss in the rooms and I could be wrong but I thought the comments were made by Alan Richardson.

Could this elite outside mid have been Brad Green, is he elite?? Maybe Richardson was just spinning a yarn as he signed up with Carlton not long after.