Craig Cameron

[nut]

????? why has been given so much power???? He didn't exactly leave Melbourne in a great state did he.

Personally I dont think the club could have done much beter than they have over the last 4 years. To completely overhaul the list and now be knocking on the door to the finals is a great achievement.

 

[nut]

.......anyone care to add to this????? anyone???

 

[Equus]

Let's just take a step back and see how it pans out.

 

[Bring-Back-Powell]

Craig Cameron left a terrible legacy at the MFC since 1997:

Picked up Bate, Dunn and Newton in the 04 draft - all played for Sandringham last weekend

Wasted a crucial first round draft pick on James Frawley - you guys all saw how ordinary he was against Richmond last Sunday

Picked up Luke Molan at pick 9 in the 01 super draft.

Traded a second rounder for a fat and lazy Byron Pickett because he and Daniher thought Melbourne were in a premiership window

We don't have a forward line

We don't have a midfield

His only achievement is using the odd late round draft pick with success eg - Bruce, Whelan, Garland, Buckley

The MFC are at rock bottom and Cameron should be partially blamed for this. Why Richmond went after him has me confused?

I think he's severly overated given the shambolic state he's left the MFC in.

 

[want2spoodge_pettifer]

Craig Cameron left a terrible legacy at the MFC since 1997:

Picked up Bate, Dunn and Newton in the 04 draft - all played for Sandringham last weekend

Wasted a crucial first round draft pick on James Frawley - you guys all saw how ordinary he was against Richmond last Sunday

Picked up Luke Molan at pick 9 in the 01 super draft.

Traded a second rounder for a fat and lazy Byron Pickett because he and Daniher thought Melbourne were in a premiership window

We don't have a forward line

We don't have a midfield

His only achievement is using the odd late round draft pick with success eg - Bruce, Whelan, Garland, Buckley

The MFC are at rock bottom and Cameron should be partially blamed for this. Why Richmond went after him has me confused?

I think he's severly overated given the shambolic state he's left the MFC in.

ouch

 

[Bojangles17]

.......anyone care to add to this????? anyone???

it would be easy Nut to take a simple minded view and say , he's no ****en good, LOOK at melbourne, facts are the club was about as flush with funds as East Burwood, leaving him with precious little to work with, the cesspit he tried to operate within clutching for survival rather than driving to succeed, there's a difference. Despite all that , he was very highly regarded in footy circles and in addition he barracked for RFC, which always adds some to the application...Let him do his work and spare the pot shots...I just hope he lets FJ do his bit as I rate him..

 

[Bring-Back-Powell]

LOOK at melbourne, facts are the club was about as flush with funds as East Burwood, leaving him with precious little to work with, the cesspit he tried to operate within clutching for survival rather than driving to succeed, there's a difference.

Does a lack of funds excuse draft blunder after draft blunder. Even Nathan Jones at pick 12 is looking like a failure.

Does a lack of funds excuse signing Nathan Carroll for 2 years after an average 2007, hense clogging up the list in 2009.

Does a lack of funds excuse trading for John Meeson and signing him for 3 years despite failing to play an AFL game in 2008.

I could go on and on. We all thought Craig Cameron was a drafting GOD, but when it comes down to the crunch, who at Melbourne can you really say is an A grader?

 

[tony_montana]

Does a lack of funds excuse draft blunder after draft blunder. Even Nathan Jones at pick 12 is looking like a failure.

Does a lack of funds excuse signing Nathan Carroll for 2 years after an average 2007, hense clogging up the list in 2009.

Does a lack of funds excuse trading for John Meeson and signing him for 3 years despite failing to play an AFL game in 2008.

I could go on and on. We all thought Craig Cameron was a drafting GOD, but when it comes down to the crunch, who at Melbourne can you really say is an A grader?

i bet you werent saying that 2 years ago when you guys were nigh on the best side in victoria.

Melbourne has had a great run for the best part of a decade, there were a few seasons where you were legitimately top 4 in the league, played in a GF and played finals, eventually all good things come to an end, i find it a bit rich that you can sit there and find fault in everything hes done.

 

[UpTheGuts]

Not so flash, but hardly worse than Pelchen....

Dowler over Ryder
Thorp over J Selwood
Brennan over anyone who can kick

all first rounders and so far all very disappointing. Then again, we were going to take Dowler if we could

 

[thecotch]

Craig Cameron left a terrible legacy at the MFC since 1997:

Picked up Bate, Dunn and Newton in the 04 draft - all played for Sandringham last weekend

Wasted a crucial first round draft pick on James Frawley - you guys all saw how ordinary he was against Richmond last Sunday

Picked up Luke Molan at pick 9 in the 01 super draft.

Traded a second rounder for a fat and lazy Byron Pickett because he and Daniher thought Melbourne were in a premiership window

We don't have a forward line

We don't have a midfield

His only achievement is using the odd late round draft pick with success eg - Bruce, Whelan, Garland, Buckley

The MFC are at rock bottom and Cameron should be partially blamed for this. Why Richmond went after him has me confused?

I think he's severly overated given the shambolic state he's left the MFC in.

So the coaching staff had nothing to do with all these failures??? Nothing at all? Player development staff had nothing to do with it either? You can't just blame one person.

 

[thecotch]

Does a lack of funds excuse draft blunder after draft blunder. Even Nathan Jones at pick 12 is looking like a failure.

Does a lack of funds excuse signing Nathan Carroll for 2 years after an average 2007, hense clogging up the list in 2009.

Does a lack of funds excuse trading for John Meeson and signing him for 3 years despite failing to play an AFL game in 2008.

I could go on and on. We all thought Craig Cameron was a drafting GOD, but when it comes down to the crunch, who at Melbourne can you really say is an A grader?

Poorly coached list IMO. Daniher lost the passion and it showed in the end. Poor player development also has a big part to play. You can't just blame the recruiting staff. Mark Thompson was almost sacked after round 3 last year and the geelong list was dubbed as useless. Look what happened.

 

[beaver fever]

Hasn't got the best record, but he does seem to understand list management by at least targetting players that were deficient in Melbourne's list. Hopefully with Jackson's ability to find players and Cameron's ability to build lists the two will be a good combination.

 

[nut]

Thank you Bring-Back-Powell.


At the end of the day it might not have been Camerons call on who they recruit... he might just have been the person who gathered the information for others to decide, his reputation is very good.

The point of the thread is not to show how bad Melbourne has been or if Cameron is a crap recruiter, but to show how good our club has been over the last 4 seasons. We haven't exactly had a wealth of resources either.

Clubs make mistakes, ours have..... but there's no way we have been the worst and I see no reason why the people in charge over the last 4 years should loose control over our list and the rebuilding process. Infact it really worries me that we are changing course.

 

[nut]

Hasn't got the best record, but he does seem to understand list management by at least targetting players that were deficient in Melbourne's list. Hopefully with Jackson's ability to find players and Cameron's ability to build lists the two will be a good combination.

I have more confidence in the people who have lead the rebuild over the last 4 seasons..... then again lets see what happens.

 

[beaver fever]

I have more confidence in the people who have lead the rebuild over the last 4 seasons..... then again lets see what happens.

Well considering one already got sacked over it and another is on thin-ice I would suggest you re-think that opinion.

 

[tony_montana]

Well considering one already got sacked over it and another is on thin-ice I would suggest you re-think that opinion.

if we play finals next season then the ppl who sacked a certain member will look like complete dodos,

if we go backwards then its justified

until then no one can categorically state a case for or against

 

[Bojangles17]

i bet you werent saying that 2 years ago when you guys were nigh on the best side in victoria.

Melbourne has had a great run for the best part of a decade, there were a few seasons where you were legitimately top 4 in the league, played in a GF and played finals, eventually all good things come to an end, i find it a bit rich that you can sit there and find fault in everything hes done.

well said TM...we would take an era like that anyday

 

[Bojangles17]

Not so flash, but hardly worse than Pelchen....

Dowler over Ryder
Thorp over J Selwood
Brennan over anyone who can kick

all first rounders and so far all very disappointing. Then again, we were going to take Dowler if we could

lets qualify that by saying when Miller alone held the reigns, since then we've added FJ and our net return from the draft has improved immensely

 

[beaver fever]

if we play finals next season then the ppl who sacked a certain member will look like complete dodos,

if we go backwards then its justified

until then no one can categorically state a case for or against

Nope. You simply have to assess the list from an analytical perspective and not how many wins we get on the board. At the end of the day results rule because people are far too short sighted, however the powers that be take a closer look at list progression than that. Otherwise Wallace would have been sacked already.

 

[tony_montana]

Nope. You simply have to assess the list from an analytical perspective and not how many wins we get on the board. At the end of the day results rule because people are far too short sighted, however the powers that be take a closer look at list progression than that. Otherwise Wallace would have been sacked already.

take a look at our list 4 years ago and look at it now.

Look at Moore, thurs, mcguane, look at reiwoldt, white, edwards, connors, polo, deledio, foley, cotchin, Schulz, tambling, morton (Polak before he got injured)and tell me our list hasnt improved dramatically?

finishing 9th has nothing to do with it, putting together several 10 goal+ quarters shows me we are starting to get it right with the right personel.

I am a hard marker against our side and wont hold back about some aspects of the club that make me wanna spew, but fairs fair we have improved our list out of site (still got a long way to go though) but theres only so much you can do, we are still about 2-3 years away of continually turning over our list from having a finished product where we can step back and say there.

Its a long process and the pieces are starting to come together why the need for all the undermining and rocking the boat when we are clearly heading in the right direction?

 

[beaver fever]

take a look at our list 4 years ago and look at it now.

Look at Moore, thurs, mcguane, look at reiwoldt, white, edwards, connors, polo, deledio, foley, cotchin, Schulz, tambling, morton (Polak before he got injured)and tell me our list hasnt improved dramatically?

finishing 9th has nothing to do with it, putting together several 10 goal+ quarters shows me we are starting to get it right with the right personel.

I am a hard marker against our side and wont hold back about some aspects of the club that make me wanna spew, but fairs fair we have improved our list out of site (still got a long way to go though) but theres only so much you can do, we are still about 2-3 years away of continually turning over our list from having a finished product where we can step back and say there.

Its a long process and the pieces are starting to come together why the need for all the undermining and rocking the boat when we are clearly heading in the right direction?

Because not all was done that should have been done, proper list management was non-existant and the situation our talls are in is deplorable.

 

[tony_montana]

Because not all was done that should have been done, proper list management was non-existant and the situation our talls are in is deplorable.

completely disagree with that, i think our talls are in pretty good shape.

Talls have gone away from gorilla types, as long as thursty and mcguane put on another 6-8 kilos over the next 2 seasons they'll have the necessary body strength and agility to play on a range of fwds, thats the name of the game these days.

Hughes i was not sold on but have seen enough to suggest he'll fit in up fwd, reiwoldt is a gem, we're building a side that is flexible and thats a lot more important than loading up on 196+cm players who will be too slow when they fill out by 24yrs of age. Dowler, thorp, roughead looks good statistically but they will NEVER play in the same lineup.

dont kid yourself, we are maybe 1 gorilla short on our list MAYBE

big deal

but i do agree that we couldve and shouldve cut deeper from year 1. Needed to be more ruthless.

on the whole though its coming along

 

[nut]

Well considering one already got sacked over it and another is on thin-ice I would suggest you re-think that opinion.

Francis Jackson has been the recruiter since feb 2005.... is he on thin ice? no because everything that is good is the work of Francis Jackson and everything that is bad is the the work of TW and Miller....

Was it Francis Jacksons fault we took JON or was it TW's or Millers??? who was the recruiter???

 

[beaver fever]

Moore, Thursfield and McGuane are all best suited to play not KPP. They are hitting above their weight and I'm not talking about their height, although height advantage is always a plus. Next in line we have Rance and Gourdis. Silvestor will be delisted.

Moore (24), Thursfield (22), McGuane (21), Rance (18), Gourdis (18)

Richardson is close to retirement. Hughes is a softy and while he has talent, he isn't an AFL player in my book. Schulz has given us 6 years of mediocrity and should have been moved on already. Riewoldt will play CHF for sure. So one 19 year old we have. Not very impressive list of forwards.

Richardson (33), Schulz (23), Hughes (21), Riewoldt (19)

Rucks are looking very very bad. Simmonds is close to retirement. Pattison is not a ruckman and to be honest although I love his endevour he is a borderline dud. Cartledge is soft and will probably be promoted because of how bad the state of our rucks are. Graham has not improved one bit from last year and Putt is still too raw.

Simmonds (30), Pattison (22), Graham (21), Putt (19).

With Polak gone and at least 4-6 players listed more likely than not going to make it, in addition to impending retirements to Richardson and Simmonds, our talls are on a knife's edge.

 

[beaver fever]

Francis Jackson has been the recruiter since feb 2005.... is he on thin ice? no because everything that is good is the work of Francis Jackson and everything that is bad is the the work of TW and Miller....

Was it Francis Jacksons fault we took JON or was it TW's or Millers??? who was the recruiter???

Our 2006 and 2007 drafts have been great. It was TW/miller's decision like in 2005 to only take 3 picks in 2007 and also trade away picks for mcmahon and jeopordise our chance of picking riewoldt. As for JON he might be a mistake on jackson's part, but at the time he was only working for the club part time.