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BINGO!!!!
For all I know Craig Cameron may well be the best recruiter in the land... his late picks have been great... He may well be the master stroke we have been looking for.
The reason I have been putting his name up is that his list management and early drafting decisions have been very poor, a lot worse than us since TW and Miller joined forces, yet we are happy to Bag the club for taking Tambling a head of Franklin and JON at pick 8... but if you look at the hits and misses over the last 4 years our progress has been great, the list is developing well and it's almost completely overhauled.
Do we need to spend so much more money on someone who will add what??? I dont know how much Francis Jackson gets paid or Craig Cameron or what the new head of Football will get paid... It's great that we are spending more money on resources, I just hope we will get value for money.
Before you bag out our clubs drafting have a look at every other clubs backyard...
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God nut, stop being so negative about the club.
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ME being Negative?????????????????????? I'm actually supporting the direction the club has taken over the last 4 years???? I'm supporting the Draft picks that we have taken, the way the players have been developed, the structure of the team and see no reason why we should be changing.
I have much more faith in TW to continue what he start then handing it over the responsibility to Craig Cameron's poor record at Melbourne and March and his mates Tony free's unprofessionalism.
Why derail the club when it is clearly on the way up.
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I think let's not wait - let's jump on this opportunity now before Craig Cameron has the chance to prove he is the high quality recruiter EVERYONE in football and media thought he was when we recruited him; let's all take our pitchforks, flaming torches and truckloads of manure and head straight to Punt Road for a hate-in. Quick - go, before one person makes the entire club implode around us. I think his influence could possibly even have a flow-on effect and cause the outright disintegration of Australian Rules football. Bolts of Zues, quick! WE MUST ACT BEFORE THE SKY FALLS IN!!!!!!!!
Oh or we could, like, wait and see what the bloke comes up with given our comparatively shite picks this season. Maybe that's an idea.
Oh or we could, like, wait and see what the bloke comes up with given our comparatively shite picks this season. Maybe that's an idea.
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Hi all,
Got to admit that I have a bias in relation to Craig Cameron so I might as well be up front with it.
Before Craig arrived at Richmond, I'd only met him at junior games to smile at when walking past. When he arrived, it was an opportunity to meet him and talk for the first time. We met a couple more times after and he asked me to assist him with some long term research projects.
I have two views of Craig Cameron - one, with his time at Melbourne, and two, in his short time with Richmond.
At Melbourne, Craig came into a job where the Melbourne list had already begun its window. Some of you may remember that.
Joe Gutnick was President, Neale Daniher had just entered as coach, Melbourne finished 4th. You might remember that they'd have one good year followed by a bad year followed by a good year, etc. They played in the GF in 2000. The focus of their list structure was to maintain that window for as long as possible. They played in finals 6 out of 9 years till 2006, without taking off the big one. In that time they introduced new players in Whelan, Thompson, Armstrong, Ferguson, Davey & Johnson. For me, the Dees started to decline in 2005, though they didn't officially go into a rebuilding phase till 2007. For the Dees, the cost of maintaining that window, in terms of mature age player contracts was hefty. It's the cost any club pays when it attempts to secure mature players. At Tigerland we overpaid enormously for our one finals appearance in 2001, and it's why I am so reticent towards players over 27yo. For me, you have to be an AFL star to stay on the list after 27, and an AFL icon after 30yo.
Yes, the Dees look bad now but I think they are setting themselves up for a new window in 3 years time. Just think how bad we were last year, yet we finished just outside this year and look optimistically towards 2009.
You look at that list that Western Tiger put up - 32 players 24yo or younger, of which 21 are 21yo or younger.
As we know, it's only the boys drafted in 2003/04, aged 21-22yo that are now showing there talents in senior footy. At the Dees, we see devoping boys of that age playing good regular footy and those even younger too.
That section from 2003 on is what Craig had real control over and it looks very good.
For the short time that Craig has been at Richmond, he has a very good understanding of where the flaws on the Richmond list are. He has an excellent understanding of juniors around Australia. And he knows what types of players the Tigers need. In the end Craig will be judged on how he performs according to KPIs, which is fair enough.
As for the Tigers' future list management. I take heart from the comments of Neil Balme at Geelong who has said that all Tiger fans should be patient. If the Tigers continue to grow their list by merely recruiting the best juniors year after year then success will come. The worst thing we can do is to panic and start compromising our junior development around recruiting "big name" but "body-worn" players from other AFL clubs. Remember, it's by recruiting mature players from other clubs onto long term contracts that does the most damage to your player payments schedule.
I hope this helps.
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Got to admit that I have a bias in relation to Craig Cameron so I might as well be up front with it.
Before Craig arrived at Richmond, I'd only met him at junior games to smile at when walking past. When he arrived, it was an opportunity to meet him and talk for the first time. We met a couple more times after and he asked me to assist him with some long term research projects.
I have two views of Craig Cameron - one, with his time at Melbourne, and two, in his short time with Richmond.
At Melbourne, Craig came into a job where the Melbourne list had already begun its window. Some of you may remember that.
Joe Gutnick was President, Neale Daniher had just entered as coach, Melbourne finished 4th. You might remember that they'd have one good year followed by a bad year followed by a good year, etc. They played in the GF in 2000. The focus of their list structure was to maintain that window for as long as possible. They played in finals 6 out of 9 years till 2006, without taking off the big one. In that time they introduced new players in Whelan, Thompson, Armstrong, Ferguson, Davey & Johnson. For me, the Dees started to decline in 2005, though they didn't officially go into a rebuilding phase till 2007. For the Dees, the cost of maintaining that window, in terms of mature age player contracts was hefty. It's the cost any club pays when it attempts to secure mature players. At Tigerland we overpaid enormously for our one finals appearance in 2001, and it's why I am so reticent towards players over 27yo. For me, you have to be an AFL star to stay on the list after 27, and an AFL icon after 30yo.
Yes, the Dees look bad now but I think they are setting themselves up for a new window in 3 years time. Just think how bad we were last year, yet we finished just outside this year and look optimistically towards 2009.
You look at that list that Western Tiger put up - 32 players 24yo or younger, of which 21 are 21yo or younger.
As we know, it's only the boys drafted in 2003/04, aged 21-22yo that are now showing there talents in senior footy. At the Dees, we see devoping boys of that age playing good regular footy and those even younger too.
That section from 2003 on is what Craig had real control over and it looks very good.
For the short time that Craig has been at Richmond, he has a very good understanding of where the flaws on the Richmond list are. He has an excellent understanding of juniors around Australia. And he knows what types of players the Tigers need. In the end Craig will be judged on how he performs according to KPIs, which is fair enough.
As for the Tigers' future list management. I take heart from the comments of Neil Balme at Geelong who has said that all Tiger fans should be patient. If the Tigers continue to grow their list by merely recruiting the best juniors year after year then success will come. The worst thing we can do is to panic and start compromising our junior development around recruiting "big name" but "body-worn" players from other AFL clubs. Remember, it's by recruiting mature players from other clubs onto long term contracts that does the most damage to your player payments schedule.
I hope this helps.
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Not sure that's the way to do it mate.
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There is a simple reason why it should be changed and that is Wallace is employed to be the head coach, not a list manager or a recruiter. So while the club is clearly on its way up, just stop and think how much better things could be if Wallace was totally devoted to being head coach instead of doing everything else instead.
Remember when Wallace arrived he was everywhere, whenever there was a story about the club he was always involved, whether it was recruiting, off field issues, players behaving poorly or possum poo in the rooms, Wallace was the man the media went to for comment.
I believe that this had an adverse effect on his ability to coach the side and I believe the club thought so to, remember the players came out late last year and suggested Terry focused more on them than being in the media spotlight. No surprise then that with Terry cutting back on his media stuff, the clubs performances improved dramatically.
Now the club has 'removed' another distraction by adding Cameron to the list management team, Wallace now has more time to devote to the side, who knows that might be the thing that finally gets us past 9th spot and into September.
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I fully understand the reasons behind the introduction of the new role.... Long term benefits will be great.
I've been a TW supporter and I loved the way the club has turned over the list.... To me it's been done just as calculating as any other side in the competition. TW and Miller were definitely working with a blue print and have stuck to it and we are starting to see the results.
I'm just hopeful everyone at the club, TW included, can sit down and work together and agree on a plan that will takes us forward. As I have stated I can't see alot wrong with the last 4 years. I think TW should be able to finish what he started and the new appointments should support this direction.
Thinking Long term is great... thats what we did when we appointed TW when the List was a basket case, but we also had small short term plans as well which you need to keep competitive. But 90% of the decisions TW and Miller made were long term.
All in all I think our list is very Healthy, and has the foundations to be healthy for at-least 5-10 years, in that period we should still draft for the future but also look to inject talent into the list in areas which we need........ and that I suppose is the role of the list management.