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Delighted to see Doggett named - well deserved.

Equally delighted to see Konstas' name missing: the Pommy opening bowlers will be devastated.
 
240volt said:
I don’t know where Konstas fits but it’s not in test cricket.
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To be fair, the kid is only 19, so he's got plenty of time to modify his game. But he can't return to the Test scene until he does.
 

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240volt said:
For me he lacks technique to open, gets bowled too often.
Maybe as you say that will come in time but that’s a long way off.
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I'm not suggesting that he could become another Matt Hayden, but Hayden was AWFUL when he first played Test cricket. But he returned to domestic cricket and worked hard on his game, and returned a far better player. Pity those virtues haven't been transferred to his ability as a commentator :).
 
philreich said:
I'm not suggesting that he could become another Matt Hayden, but Hayden was AWFUL when he first played Test cricket. But he returned to domestic cricket and worked hard on his game, and returned a far better player. Pity those virtues haven't been transferred to his ability as a commentator :).
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Was watching a couple of old reals showing Matt in his hay days.
He was a big boy and when he hit em they stayed hit.
Watching him and Gilly going for it was something to behold.
As a cricketing nation we was spoilt in those days.
 
240volt said:
Was watching a couple of old reals showing Matt in his hay days.
He was a big boy and when he hit em they stayed hit.
Watching him and Gilly going for it was something to behold.
As a cricketing nation we was spoilt in those days.
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You're not kidding. I never got to see Bradman live, but I felt privileged to see Warne at his best. And McGrath at the other end wasn't bad either!!!
 
Operation Media stir up the poms - belittle them where possible has started.


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Cricket will shamelessly borrow from baseball this summer by allowing fans to keep balls that fly into the crowd during Big Bash League matches. A new rule, which will be in play from this weekend when the Women’s Big Bash League season begins, will guarantee that a new ball is used from the start of the second over of each innings. Any ball hit into the crowd during the first over of an innings, either on the full for six or on the bounce for four, will be up for grabs for fans.
 
Baseball let's the crowd keep the ball and regularly changes the ball because a player was killed in 1920 in an MLB game when it hit him in the head whilst batting and the ball was dirty and pretty scuffed up.
 
Holden Hillbilly said:
Cricket will shamelessly borrow from baseball this summer by allowing fans to keep balls that fly into the crowd during Big Bash League matches. A new rule, which will be in play from this weekend when the Women’s Big Bash League season begins, will guarantee that a new ball is used from the start of the second over of each innings. Any ball hit into the crowd during the first over of an innings, either on the full for six or on the bounce for four, will be up for grabs for fans.
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I guess they have to keep coming up with new ideas to keep the BBL relevant.
 

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Ford Fairlane said:
As they say in the north of England You'll win nowt wi' bairns
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Used to work with a guy from Leeds in my younger days.
I called him Yorkie and loved winding him up.
He used to get pissed off with me and his favorite saying was, Don’t play funny buggers we me Laddie. 😉
 
I watched this Jarrod Kimber video last night when the cricket was being rained out, analysing the depressing dive down the ladder of West Indies cricket this century.

I knew the bowling was up to Test standard over most of the last 25 years, but I didn't realise how bad the batting has been for nearly all of the 25 years.

Kimber puts some basic graphs up on his black board. I thought Windies batting got really bad from about 2010 after Lara had left the scene and Chiv Chanderpaul was near the end of his career and Ramnaresh Sarwan had retired and Marlon Samuels and Chris Gayle were becoming less effective at test level.

In his batting analysis he removes extras and for bowling removes runouts to calculate averages.

At 11.11 of the video Kimber says that in 2025 the Windies are averaging 18 runs per wicket when batting and the global average is 32 runs per wicket. EIGHTEEEEEEEN!!!! in my best Anthony Hudson voice.

He says since 2000, the Windies average 28 runs with the bat and taking wickets at 36 runs. In a game that all 40 wickets fall to the bowlers that means the Windies are 160 runs worse than the opposition on average for all of 25 years!!

In the last few minutes of the 15 minute video, he goes back to the 4 batsmen who debuted in 2000 - Gayle, Sarwan, Hinds and Samuels, and Kimber says that since Ramnaresh Sarwan debuted in 2000, the Windies have not come up with at least 1 above average batting prospect to actually play for them.

Earlier in the video he said between 2004 and 2010 there were no Windies batsmen who debuted in those 6 years who made 1,000 test runs. Its actually 2004 to late 2010.

At the end of 2010 Darren Bravo debuts and in 2011 Kraigg Brathwaite debuted. He says Brathwaite is the only one that is close to replacing Sarwan's output and Darren Bravo could have got there, but for some reason didn't and he doesn't know why.
Brathwaite played 94 tests 5742 runs at 33.57 and Bravo 56 tests 3538 runs at 36.47.

This is the best analysis I've seen on what is really wrong with West Indies cricket. Its not the head coach and ex stars like Lloyd, Richards, Garner etc that haven't contributed.

The ICC and the cricket world really need to put in great batting coaches into the Caribbean and make sure they are on all the island nations or 1 great coach for every 2 or 3 nations and he splits his time between them. They need to talent identify kids at 12, 14 and 16 years of age and put resources into the kids ie money for clothing, equipment, travelling and accommodation expenses so they can travel to the centre of excellences on their island, where they can train with the specialist batting coach. Send them to Oz, South Africa, England , India each year so they can play games on different types of pitches and face a wider pool of bowlers.


 

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RussellEbertHandball said:
Operation Media stir up the poms - belittle them where possible has started.


West Oz today




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I am no lover of the `to and froms' REH and hope the Aussies smack them 5 zip, but IMO those headlines are a tad over the top!

It may have been an attempt at humour by the sub editor, but stuff like that reminds me of the rubbish the now defunct Melbourne Truth used to come out with in the 1970's and 80's where belittling SA or WA before interstate footy games was their usual number one go to.
 
Some interesting results today in the 2 shield matches today with WA v Qld starting tomorrow.

Tas v SA at Hobart
Weatherald 23
Webster 13

Doggett 5/66 ..... Tassie bowled out for 209

McSweeney 2 - opened
Head 9
Carey 25 not out

Webster 1/21 .... SA 3/88 at stumps

Vic v NSW at SCG
Kellaway 51
Harris 5
Handscomb 104

Starc 4/91
Hazlewood 0/54
Lyon 2/65 ................... Vic 7/340 at stumps
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
Some interesting results today in the 2 shield matches today with WA v Qld starting tomorrow.

Tas v SA at Hobart
Weatherald 23
Webster 13

Doggett 5/66 ..... Tassie bowled out for 209

McSweeney 2 - opened
Head 9
Carey 25 not out

Webster 1/21 .... SA 3/88 at stumps

Vic v NSW at SCG
Kellaway 51
Harris 5
Handscomb 104

Starc 4/91
Hazlewood 0/54
Lyon 2/65 ................... Vic 7/340 at stumps
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The Vics struck NSW at a good time,like playing Australia.
7/340 fair effort.
 
I saw a video last night from the MCG 3 days ago and now understand why MCC CEO Stuart Fox said the following quoted below a week or two before the Sheffield Shield Final was on in March, and the SACA and SA government were talking to AFL trying to convince them it would be safe to drop in 1 cricket pitch between Rd 1 and Rd 2 games for the final played between Monday and Friday.

I wonder if the AFL understood that the MCG and AO have different set ups, or they were just greedy and wanted compo $$$.

Melbourne Cricket Club chief executive Stuart Fox believed the ground transformation process would be extremely complicated and one that would be nearly impossible for the MCG. “I will be fascinated if they can pull it off,” Fox told SEN.
“Once you’re in football season, you’re committed to football season.
“Turf lengths, compaction of the soil, how you set up, you really do fit your stadium for purpose.”


The timelapse video shows the MCG dig up the centre area turf, the turf isn't in trays. Then after more digging a big concrete slab appears maybe another 200mm down from where the soil of the uprooted turf sits, and then they put some of the sand back on the slab, replacing maybe 1/3rd of what they dug up after removing the turf.

Then they transport the drop in wickets and place them in position on the concrete slab and sand base. It looks like when cricket season is over they lift the trays and take the wickets out, put the remaining 2/3rds of sand quantity they removed from the concrete base they didn't use back and then replant the turf. Dont know if its new or has been stored somewhere.

AO has drop in normal turf trays for footy and drop in wicket trays for cricket. So its a lot simpler process to swap between footy and cricket comparted to the MCG.

AO has cement foundations not a big cement slab - ie like the old house foundations where you dug trenches and filled them in with cement where the bricks would be laid and you levelled the soil and you built floorboards just above the soil. They did pour in cement on the soil for laundry, bathrooms and toilets area where tiles would be placed on the floor. Now days a concrete slab is used for all of the house area.

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Why hosting the Sheffield Shield final at Adelaide Oval is harder than you think - SALIFE | InDaily, Inside South Australia

SALIFE’s gardening writer Kim Syrus documented how grounds staff switched from cricket to footy seasons. Here is his fascinating insight.
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Post football season, long sand trays hidden under the rye grass in the centre of Adelaide Oval are removed and replaced with drop-in cricket pitches.

Filled with rare Athelstone clay and covered in Santa Ana couch, these trays are 25m long, 3m wide, 200mm deep and weigh a whopping 30 tonnes. Happily left over winter to grow in the nursery area near the No. 2 oval, the swapping and siting of these pitches, at least twice yearly, is an astonishing feat.




This SACA video shows the first pitch being installed in September 2013 and you can see how the edges of the trays sit on a concrete foundation but majority of the tray is resting on sand. The MCG got drop in pitches in 2000 and that's when they thought a concrete slab was best for the trays to sit on.

The MCG got some poor test pitch ratings from the ICC around 2017, 2018, think they were 1 bad test away from being suspended, and that's when the new curator decided to copy from AO and put sand on the concrete slab to create a more porous and natural base for the tray so that the bounce wasn't so low. It worked. Perth Stadium has the same set up as AO ie foundations not a concrete slab.


 
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