Crouch to play NAB Cup

[Wood_Duck]

Umm.. no. The facts + context support my side of the argument. Your side has nothing but "gut feel" to fall back on.

We all know how you like to confuse your opinion for facts. Now that is a fact.

 

[Vader]

We all know how you like to confuse your opinion for facts. Now that is a fact.

The facts are the number of games that they have played and the number of games they've missed due to injury.

The context I put around those is my opinion.

There's no way known that you can put a context around the "facts" that supports your side of the argument.

 

[A FEW GOOD MEN]

I will help you and the other bloke out here Stabby.

Patrenko 36
Jaensch 24
Martin 9
Walker 45
Smith 14
Talia 9
Thompson 9
McKernan 17

There, you now have facts that irrefutably prove that I am correct.

Cant argue with facts can ya?

I will explain this to you very s l o w l y Wood Duck.

The question is whether we ignored playing the kids (as has happened during this pre-season) over 2010 and 2011.

The appropriate method would be to compare the games played by our kids compared to players in other AFL teams. Ideally you would segment your data according to the players age, position played and draft choice.

Take Taylor Walker as an example. Only three key forwards played more games prior to their 21st birthday over the last 10 years in the AFL. Nearly 95% of the teenage key forwards played less games than Taylor including many first round draft choices. Now if your comparison is that he could have played every game but he didn't then that is an accurate yet clueless statement.

Over the last 2 years we put more games into our kids than most other clubs, but I guess those facts don't suit your view of the world.

 

[Vader]

Close AFGM, but no cigar. Everyone knows we've played a lot of kids over the last couple of years - mostly out of necessity.

The real issue here is whether we could/should have given them greater opportunities during the 07-09 era, noting that we were in premiership contention mode in 05/06 and had very few kids to choose from back then anyway.

 

[cmndstab]

Let's not play smartarses here Wood_Duck. If your only argument against numbers is "my gut feeling contradicts what the numbers are saying", then that's fine - you're allowed to have that opinion, but at that point the debate is basically over. You have one gut feeling, someone else has another, and you are disregarding any evidence that is contrary to your gut feeling.

That doesn't mean someone can simply throw out numbers and bam, argument won. You need to explain why the figures are either relevant or irrelevant if you want to argue for/against them. Or don't, if you don't want to. I mean, there's no impetus to be involved in an online debate.

But simply saying "my gut tells me you're wrong, so you are" is a nothing argument and a waste of everyone's bandwidth.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I will explain this to you very s l o w l y Wood Duck.

The question is whether we ignored playing the kids (as has happened during this pre-season) over 2010 and 2011.

Umm... what?

What years did Neil coach us again?

 

[Prem87]

How has Crouch been going in the NAB Cup, I haven't had a chance to watch any of your games, has he shown good signs?

 

[cmndstab]

He only played a half, and looked alright without doing anything really special. he moves to the right spots and reads the ball well, but panicked a bit with his disposals.

 

[Wood_Duck]

Let's not play smartarses here Wood_Duck. If your only argument against numbers is "my gut feeling contradicts what the numbers are saying", then that's fine - you're allowed to have that opinion, but at that point the debate is basically over. You have one gut feeling, someone else has another, and you are disregarding any evidence that is contrary to your gut feeling.

That doesn't mean someone can simply throw out numbers and bam, argument won. You need to explain why the figures are either relevant or irrelevant if you want to argue for/against them. Or don't, if you don't want to. I mean, there's no impetus to be involved in an online debate.

But simply saying "my gut tells me you're wrong, so you are" is a nothing argument and a waste of everyone's bandwidth.

You have completely miscontrued my arguement. I did not even use the term 'gut feeling'.

I completely discount the statistics provided on the basis that they are irrelevant to the conversation. If you want to make the link that in 2010 and 11 we played more kids than the AFL average as being justification for the selection policy of the previous coach then you go right ahead. It will tell us all something about your 'feel for the game' (that is the term I used).

I would prefer to look at what I saw with my own eyes. For the entire tenure of the previous regime we have been very slow to introduce players to AFL football. We dropped young players in favour of older ones at times for no definite reason. In the 7th year of Craig's tenure he was forced to pick the most inexperienced side in his time at the club. Wonderful list management that!

The club now has a very inexperienced list and we seem to be in about our third year of a rebuild with most people saying we have another two years to go.

Please tell me how the statistics provided see the need for me bow my head in apology.

 

[cmndstab]

You have completely miscontrued my arguement. I did not even use the term 'gut feeling'.

I completely discount the statistics provided on the basis that they are irrelevant to the conversation. If you want to make the link that in 2010 and 11 we played more kids than the AFL average as being justification for the selection policy of the previous coach then you go right ahead. It will tell us all something about your 'feel for the game' (that is the term I used).

I would prefer to look at what I saw with my own eyes. For the entire tenure of the previous regime we have been very slow to introduce players to AFL football. We dropped young players in favour of older ones at times for no definite reason. In the 7th year of Craig's tenure he was forced to pick the most inexperienced side in his time at the club. Wonderful list management that!

The club now has a very inexperienced list and we seem to be in about our third year of a rebuild with most people saying we have another two years to go.

Please tell me how the statistics provided see the need for me bow my head in apology.

This is a good post, and I agree with it

You should have made this post two pages back.

 

[PykeDream]

How has Crouch been going in the NAB Cup, I haven't had a chance to watch any of your games, has he shown good signs?

Very promising so far. You might get more discussion here.

 

[Ad76]

Apparently Brad Crouch is enjoying his time here and looking to extend his contract past the three years!!

Was interested to see a little something about Brad Crouch in amongst all of the non-Crouch related banter

Is this a whisper from inside the club, or an interview that i missed?

 

[bigman]

Mad fan - he is an out and out gun.

He will be one of the best players this club has produced.

Believe me.

Just call me nostradamus

 

[radiojake]

^^

Is that really a big call though? I mean, he was #2 in the mini-draft

 

[bigman]

^^

Is that really a big call though? I mean, he was #2 in the mini-draft

a lot of people thought were in doubt over Crouch's ability as the number 2 mini pick draft pick. Read all of the posts ove the last two years to see this.

For me there was never any doubt as to the quality of player we would have on our hands.

 

[Cap]

a lot of people thought were in doubt over Crouch's ability as the number 2 mini pick draft pick. Read all of the posts ove the last two years to see this.

For me there was never any doubt as to the quality of player we would have on our hands.

the play that sando nominated in his plays of the week is fantastic.

the composure so close to goal is Lairdish

 

[daniel_4tw]

Amazing the amount of hype that was around this guy.

Even more amazing is he is living up (surpassing) that hype in just his second year.

Gun.

 

[Golumless]

Not a gun yet, but someone that is looking like he'll be our third elite midfielder.

Shaping up well... that's for sure.