Crown Perth (formerly Burswood) Casino - Part 2

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1.) Getting over 2:1 I probably make the call. Worst case scenario you're up against AxKd or KxKd, pretty much flipping against all other hands. I'm guessing he had AK no diamond?

2.) Crap spot as you've got no fold equity against the player who raised to $50, agree with Borgsta that shoving is the easiest option and probably the one I would take with the flush draw there; but then you possibly lose value from the other 2 players. Alternatively but obviously riskier route of flat-calling the flop hoping that one of the other 2 players call and you get more value in the pot. If a non heart drops and the $70 guy shoves then shove over the top and pray you hit/small chance you're actually ahead.

3.) Easy flat-call as everyone is short don't wanna chase anyone out. Hopefully one of them shove over the top.

4.) Hard to know without knowing how much he has? But call with the intention of raising any turn after he makes another stupid donk bet. Agree with Borgsta than an effective min-raise isn't bad in this spot either.
 
ashley12 said:
1) I have Q9o in around the lowjack, which is 3 from the button. I raise to 15, someone raises to 30, folds to me, I call. Flop Ad, 9d, 3d. I have the Qd. I check, villian bets 20, I raise to 70. Villian shoves having me covered just for effectively 230ish. I tank, villian makes a mini-spiel... In the end, I flip one of the $1 chips whether to call, as they have varying sides, and the chip tells me to call, so I do...
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That's 160 to about 360. If you're diamond is totally live, it's a call but it's clearly not going to be live all the time. Guy is obviously representing a flush so there's a significant chance that he either already has the nuts or that two of your outs are in his hand. To make it a call, he has to be capable of shoving hands like AK, AQ with no diamond (or a total airball) when your pair and trip outs are live.

2) I have the 34dd and there are three limpers. Someone wants to raise buy violates the 1 chip rule, so calls. I call OTB. Blinds complete. Flop 245 with a heart draw. One of the blinds leads for 15, there is a call, and then wannabe PFR raises to 50. I have the table covered, the wannabe PFR has 70 back from his 50, so started the hand with 123. The two players in for 15 have somewhere around 150-200 back... I now do what, and why....
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Shove: you want to eliminate the aces so your two pair outs are live vs overpair.

3) I have K5ss and overlimp a few people. I flop the second nut flush. There is a bet of 5, a call, and a raise to 15 direct on my right. I now do? Board is Js9s4s... Everyone is at least $100 deep, I have around $400 IIRC...
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Flat. It's worth giving the cheap draw to As in order to collect some overcalls and disguise your hand. If you're lucky, someone raises behind and you can spring the trap.

4) I have AA and raise over a limper early in the day... he calls. HU for 15 each... Flop AK4 with a club draw and I the A is a club. Villian donks 25 into me... Now what do I do???
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Depends on his stack, but probably I just flat and let him bet again on the turn. Unless he has a smaller set, he probably can't call a raise.
 
ANSWERS: At least IMO....

1) I flipped the coin and it said yes, which was actually what I was thinking about doing. My logic was that IMO the hands that have me crushed Akd, and KKd, where few compared to those I have decent equity against, such as an ordinary AK, AJd and a few others... Its unlikely Im drawing dead vs KJdd IMO. Overall, I thought I have enough equity vs most hands, in fact AKo no diamond I would have 14 outs twice, though I can be redrawn against if I spike a Q (8 outs) or a 9 (two outs). In the end, I called... I was vs KQ with the king of diamonds, and faded the diamond outs and yeah, ship it... Another one of those hands where the table just shut up after that for 10 minutes, where one guy turned to his mate on the table and said "Dude, did you see that s**t..." That was kinda cool...

2) I raised just over the minimum to 100. Why? Because I want to clean up my outs... I have a LOT of dirty outs if I see the turn 4 ways. I have said villian on TT-KK and if he does have that I have roughly a 50% chance to win, against AA that drops to around 30% I think... If I see the turn behind I could be drawing to only another 4, chopping with some straight cards... In the end, I made the raise, the other two folded, and the other dude shoves for 12 more, which I call. He has KK, I turn a 3 for two pairs, BOTH other players would have made straights, 5 high and 6 high... and I fade the loss/chop outs on the river....

3) I flatted, because the raiser to 15 was redonkulously deep, and I didnt want to just isolate vs him, because he had gotten away from some hands. My plan was to pop the turn... However, the turn was checked to me and I bet xx cant remember and got one call. River was a 4th spade, which made me cry because he almost cried when it fell. I bet 1/5th pot and he snap folds a set face up... I cry...

4) Raised to 60, got a call the turn was a flush card, and he check folded. He mentioned that he couldnt figure out why he called pre when I hadnt played a hand for 3 orbits, which made me cry, because I dont want a nitty image...

FWIW there wasnt much better then adding this win to my records for the last few months... After going though a period of about 100hrs at roughly break-even, this was nice....
 

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Played for the first time in a while today... It sucked...

Early on folded a freaking lot of hands. Didnt flop many pairs, didnt do much... Blinded away a bit, reloaded, then two LOL hands in a row...

The annoying thing was I had two pretty tight nits behind me, who just happened to always have monsters whenever I raised... Anyway, Im UTG with JJ. Raise to 13, and UTG+2 makes it 25... O oh... Folds to me and I call. Flop Kxx with three hearts, and I have the Jh. I check call 25. Turn was a repeat king and I check call again 25. River is a blank, 25 to me again, I really should find a fold but I call like a station and AA is good... 11 outs twice no good... Very next hand I get AJ in the BB and raise over maybe 4 limpers. UTG limp, minraises and I cry inside. Folds to me, I call and open fold the K93 board...

Im down to like 100 and a loose maniac makes it 25 to go. I decide to GAMBOOL with 22 because its just a case of trying to establish a loosish image, and Im 90% sure Im flipping. We flip for 200 with AJ vs 22 and the flop contains one piece of paint, and two cards below 4 that arent the same. Of course that flop is J34... and I miss the two outs... I reload...

I tilt a widdle bit and call a raise with JTss. Someone repops with about 50 more, and one of the players calls. I decide to call with 100 back, shoving any draw or pair because I suck. Flop JJ3 and I stack 55... A few other hands and Im starting to get there... Then it goes sour...

First I lose a bit with AQ on a K86 5 board by the awesomely played K7o who limp called 20 more OOP... Then AK I raise plus 20 pre from the blinds... Lots of calls. Flop is air, checks through, turn is a blank. I check someone shoves for 25 with 9 high... I call someone else calls. River is a 9 and I lose to K9 turn flush draw... 89 shove with 9 high no good...

Then I lose with an ace vs a lesser ace that makes two pair and Im in struggle street.... Then ALAS!!!! I flop bottom set on a T97 board with a spade draw... And I had raised pre as well. I bet, there is a raise, I jizz, everyone folds, I shove and he call with top two... Turn 9 gg Ashley12...
 
Cliff notes on tonight's action:

Beat: rebought five times in the ANZPT satellite and still finished secong last
Brag: won $800 playing 10/20 limit before and after the tourney
Variance: should have stuck with Limit

For some of the time, that was the worst limit table ever (and by worst I mean best). Much of the play was short handed (4 or 5), including when I sat down, and a couple of the players were going "friendly table here, no bluffing or raising." I just quietly ignored them and they didn't actually complain about my (mostly) open raising preflop. Iso raising the guy on my right who limped every hand was fun, except that I was very frequently cold called on my left sometimes in several places. I kept it friendly by chatting a lot, showing some winning hands (see, I don't bluff you), and occasionally checking down multiple streets.

The classiest bit was the four way capped hand, where 63o UTG sadly found his 6 high flush was no good against Q7o in the CO (my AK has to go in the bin on the turn).

The win also came despite losing a $250 pot in a massive cooler with eights full of tens to quad tens. The guy with quads slow rolled me unintentionally I think, having genuinely thought that full house beat quads.
 
paxmaniac said:
Cliff notes on tonight's action:

Beat: rebought five times in the ANZPT satellite and still finished secong last
Brag: won $800 playing 10/20 limit before and after the tourney
Variance: should have stuck with Limit

For some of the time, that was the worst limit table ever (and by worst I mean best). Much of the play was short handed (4 or 5), including when I sat down, and a couple of the players were going "friendly table here, no bluffing or raising." I just quietly ignored them and they didn't actually complain about my (mostly) open raising preflop. Iso raising the guy on my right who limped every hand was fun, except that I was very frequently cold called on my left sometimes in several places. I kept it friendly by chatting a lot, showing some winning hands (see, I don't bluff you), and occasionally checking down multiple streets.

The classiest bit was the four way capped hand, where 63o UTG sadly found his 6 high flush was no good against Q7o in the CO (my AK has to go in the bin on the turn).

The win also came despite losing a $250 pot in a massive cooler with eights full of tens to quad tens. The guy with quads slow rolled me unintentionally I think, having genuinely thought that full house beat quads.
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Yeah, limit at Burswood is renowned for some pretty freakin bad slowrolling. I think the one that pissed me the most one day was me making a straight on the river and bet calling on the end. I turned over first as he had announced two pair. I turned over and almost had the hand shipped to me before he announced eights and eights... Also being bagged out for not having top pair when all in with AJ on a J85 3 board or something vs "the real top pair" KK lol...
 
Just a woeful night didnt hit anything when I had decent cards and then got I guess what was a fairly standard beat but very frustrating at the same time. UTG makes it 10 pre, I'm the only caller in the MP holding QKdd. Flop Q 2 6 with only 1 diamond out, he checks, i shove 15, he puts me all in, i had about 40 left after that. He shows AK, turn 10, river J. Boo!

Lost most of the money previously on something i really should've seen coming, I had K10, and it was bumped up to 15 pre by UTG+1, who inevitably had QQ. With the board resembling something like 10, 9, 2, 2, 7. Flop bet of 15 which i was the only caller and turn and river bet of 20 which i called.

I'm thinking of giving up on cas poker, getting no work atm, don't want to dig into savings and I just don't have the patience for it most of the time, I think i've only left there up like 25% of the time. No good.
 
RoJo Junior said:
Just a woeful night didnt hit anything when I had decent cards and then got I guess what was a fairly standard beat but very frustrating at the same time. UTG makes it 10 pre, I'm the only caller in the MP holding QKdd. Flop Q 2 6 with only 1 diamond out, he checks, i shove 15, he puts me all in, i had about 40 left after that. He shows AK, turn 10, river J. Boo!

Lost most of the money previously on something i really should've seen coming, I had K10, and it was bumped up to 15 pre by UTG+1, who inevitably had QQ. With the board resembling something like 10, 9, 2, 2, 7. Flop bet of 15 which i was the only caller and turn and river bet of 20 which i called.
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Pretty standard. You were fortunate with the KT that he was a weak player that failed to stack you.

I'm thinking of giving up on cas poker, getting no work atm, don't want to dig into savings and I just don't have the patience for it most of the time, I think i've only left there up like 25% of the time. No good.
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Rule #1: Never gamble money you can't afford to lose. If you can't afford live poker, don't get sucked into it - when the stakes are too high, you won't play good poker. Grind micros online if you want to keep playing, and maybe work up an online bankroll until you can afford to play live out of your profits. Good luck.
 
RoJo Junior said:
Lost most of the money previously on something i really should've seen coming, I had K10, and it was bumped up to 15 pre by UTG+1, who inevitably had QQ. With the board resembling something like 10, 9, 2, 2, 7. Flop bet of 15 which i was the only caller and turn and river bet of 20 which i called.
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I hope the K10 was sooooted.
 
Bankroll management is arguably one of the biggest skills to poker.

Don't be disheartened. Follow pax's advice, grind the micros and put in volume.
 
RoJo Junior said:
I'm thinking of giving up on cas poker, getting no work atm, don't want to dig into savings and I just don't have the patience for it most of the time, I think i've only left there up like 25% of the time. No good.
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On a more serious note, take a break for a while.

Do some reading and develop a more indepth knowledge of the game.

DO NOT BUY any crappy and over-priced books with pro's faces on the front.

One book i will recommend is Small Stakes No Limit Hold'em v1.0 by Ed Miller, Sunny Mehta and Matt Flynn.

Learning the concepts listed in this book will make you a better player.
 
Cheers for the advice guys. Its not that I don't have the money, its just that i hate to see it go to waste when i lose. I keep tabs of my overall wins/losses in all forms of gambling (big fan of placing multibets and racing and s**t) and well... its not pretty. Currently sitting at about -3.3k :eek:
 

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RoJo Junior said:
I'm thinking of giving up on cas poker, getting no work atm, don't want to dig into savings and I just don't have the patience for it most of the time, I think i've only left there up like 25% of the time. No good.
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Whether it be online or live, one of the worst things you can do is play poker when you don't have the patience for it.

It leads to making very loose calls etc, and I find I almost always end up spewing my chips/money away when in this mood.
 
RoJo Junior said:
It was, i had heaps of soooted cards, would not hit even 1 card of the suit though every time. K10 IMO isn't that bad though, for a 5BB pre flop then yeah its not flash.
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Its not so much about the fact its for 5bb pre, its the fact that someone has raised UTG+1, which is kinda strong...

ppg05 said:
Whether it be online or live, one of the worst things you can do is play poker when you don't have the patience for it.

It leads to making very loose calls etc, and I find I almost always end up spewing my chips/money away when in this mood.
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110% this.

I used to go in a lot after big work events with some friends, and while 3 hours was a huge amount of time to be spent playing poker for absolutely everyone within our work except me, I played to many pots because as ppg has said, you play way to loose, and tilt faster if your only playing for a limited time. For some, 3 hours is a pretty big session, but mine are usually ~13 let alone three...

FWIW I havent posted much around here lately, not just in the poker section but in the site as a whole, the reason is basically wasting a LOT of hours a day typing out long TR's and abusing Liverpool, while good fun, there are other things to do in my life...

Basically been around breakeven playing live at Burswood and at APL cash tables when I havent been working, but I will leave you with one of the most disgusting slowrolls IMO I have ever seen...

We are playing 3 handed, I have managed to get us to put the $6 blind straddle on, and we are generally having a laugh... I raise from the button dark, SB raises to 20, he had been raising my straddles a lot, BB called a lot which took away any iso plays sadly which happened a lot, I folded some cheese like 96o... Flop 55J. SB checks, BB bets like 10, raise to 25, BB calls. Turn is a blank, like a 3, a bet of 40 and a call. River is a 7. SB checks, BB bets about 40 again (lol). SB checkshoves AI for about 130 on top. BB sighs, tanks a long long time, as he had all night, before announcing how sick it all was and calls. SB rather triumphantly turns over 75o.... But its no good, J5o takes the bikkies... After that, the straddles stopped and we ended up all heading home. Was kinda sick....
 
ashley12 said:
Basically been around breakeven playing live at Burswood and at APL cash tables when I havent been working, but I will leave you with one of the most disgusting slowrolls IMO I have ever seen...

We are playing 3 handed, I have managed to get us to put the $6 blind straddle on, and we are generally having a laugh... I raise from the button dark, SB raises to 20, he had been raising my straddles a lot, BB called a lot which took away any iso plays sadly which happened a lot, I folded some cheese like 96o... Flop 55J. SB checks, BB bets like 10, raise to 25, BB calls. Turn is a blank, like a 3, a bet of 40 and a call. River is a 7. SB checks, BB bets about 40 again (lol). SB checkshoves AI for about 130 on top. BB sighs, tanks a long long time, as he had all night, before announcing how sick it all was and calls. SB rather triumphantly turns over 75o.... But its no good, J5o takes the bikkies... After that, the straddles stopped and we ended up all heading home. Was kinda sick....
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Was that a slow roll, or did he genuinely think the other guy had TT or 77?
 
paxmaniac said:
Was that a slow roll, or did he genuinely think the other guy had TT or 77?
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Pretty much a slowcall at the end, and he could have revealed a little bit faster... I was almost certain his hand was something resembling either a big jack or a weak 7, not a full house... Also he was getting 3:1ish with a monster...

One hilarious hand... Three or four see a flop for the minimum. Flop 833. I check from the BB, everyone checks. Turn is a ten. I see the button reach for chips. I bet 10, get called by the button. River is a 7. I bet over twice the pot, get called and win with A3... EZ game this poker
 
ashley12 said:
One hilarious hand... Three or four see a flop for the minimum. Flop 833. I check from the BB, everyone checks. Turn is a ten. I see the button reach for chips. I bet 10, get called by the button. River is a 7. I bet over twice the pot, get called and win with A3... EZ game this poker
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It's not that hilarious. If he has a ten, it's pretty tough to fold even to your donkey overbet :)
 
paxmaniac said:
It's not that hilarious. If he has a ten, it's pretty tough to fold even to your donkey overbet :)
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It was more the fact this person was giving me a lot of stick of never having anything etc... and that Im so easy to read...

But yeah, basically it reminded me of the Big Game they had on Foxtel a while back, a 25/50 cash game with Neil Channing, Roland De Wolfe, Sammy George and a few others... Basically Channing kept betting double the pot vs Sammy with more or less the nuts, and getting called all the time... pot limit games are ghey anyway...:p
 
Played tonight... Made $5 total from limit in about an hour, played 2/3NL and played for 8 hours or so, and made about 70...

Some hands of lol...

77 in the SB in a MASSIVE mulitway limped pot. We see a flop I think 9 ways. Flop AK7. I check because someone behind me is reaching for chips. They check and we all check. Turn is a ten. I bet 20, get a call from an old woman, big raise to 100, I shove, raiser slowcalls and then slowrolls QJ, and the board dosent pair on the river... That wasnt cheap...

I make some back, before getting roflpwnedowned for an hour. I think about going home, but hang around. Get 23o in the SB, there is a raise to 10, a call, BB indicates folding so I call. Flop Q32, and I stack AQ likes its my job.

67o and make a play because I havent played in a while. Get a few calls including someone who was up 20BI on 2/3 a few weeks ago in 3 weeks, which I believe... I flop bottom pair and bet and he calls. Turn is a blank. He checks, and says that if I bet he will shove. I think for a bit, and bet anyway, he folds a gutty and what werent overs, but were if you know what I mean...

Other then that, pretty standard. Was in for 500 at one point, finished up with 570, but one hand for a linecheck...

Tightish player raises UTG+1, which indicates a pretty strong hand for him. I repop to 55 with AKo. He mutters, shakes his head, and calls... Flop 448. He checks, he has 140 back, pot is now around 115... I do what?
 
ashley12 said:
Tightish player raises UTG+1, which indicates a pretty strong hand for him. I repop to 55 with AKo. He mutters, shakes his head, and calls... Flop 448. He checks, he has 140 back, pot is now around 115... I do what?
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He has a monster. Check, turn an ace and stack his KK.

If we don't have a tell or aren't sure if he's acting, bet/call about 90 and pray..
 
paxmaniac said:
He has a monster. Check, turn an ace and stack his KK.

If we don't have a tell or aren't sure if he's acting, bet/call about 90 and pray..
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Well, the tell pre was more IMO a sign of weakness, not strength...

Anyway, I bet 80, he shoved, I cried and announced his hands as jacks and called. And he had jacks... And I hit a king on the river.... And I still lost....:(
 
Well, I had a live poker session yesterday at Burswood. Was actually an interesting one, and I made myself an enemy I think...

All the tables for 2/3 NL are full, but instead I decide to challenge myself and play 2/3 PLO, because that game gives you good hands... First three hands were queens, aces and kings lol....

The table is such
Ash
Some old bloke who leaves after maybe 3 orbits that Im there
A: Solid reg who plays a lot of different games that Im "decent" friends with".
C: A relatively bad player, probably the only one I would comfortably say is worse then me at this table
J: Asian reg who is very good and play all the biggest games
V: Another reg who isnt the greatest at handling tilt...

The aces hand I potted from the SB and got I think two or three callers. Flop T9x and I bet not quite pot. I get repotted by C, a player from 2/3 NL who occasinally plays 5/5, dosent really like the concept of bankroll management, and is a bit Hellmuth like in that he refuses to acknowledge mistakes in his game (there are a few obv ones) and improve himself. In the end I folded, and he showed me QT94 with one flush draw or something... Didnt know whether to LOL or not, so I didnt...

I dont win many pots early, Im playing a lot more passively at this stage because everyone else is playing passively too... Then this lol hand. I get KQ66 one suit in the SB. V, a solid reg who can still do some wtf? things, limp opens the button. I complete the SB, and the BB checks. Flop A62. I donk pot it because there is a flush draw. BB folds, SB calls. Turn is a ten. I pot (27), it gets repotted at me which is another 81 to call or so, and I dont have a heap back. I have a gutshot and third set, I call... Vas has aces and a jack and I miss 4 outs... gg $400...

I actually reload for $500 when I said I would be felted then go home... J loses a big pot to V and starts raising almost all buttons and cut-offs (we are 4 handed at this point, C got stacked by J, so Im the worst at the table) I realise I should starting doing this as well, so I do... I then start playing really well vs J, at least results orientated...

First I get him off bottom set on a flush and straight board when I was bluffing a weak aces up behind, which looked strong as he knows I check a lot of rivers in deep games... Then I make a K high flush and check to induce a bluff on the end when the board paired... Im actually playing ok...

Then I get QQxx double suited and I think just called a raise from J OOP. I check the 248 flop, we all check. Turn is a jack, I lead for pot, only J calls. River is a 9, so T7 got there or something along those lines. I lead for 40 into maybe 55, not sure what Im doing, bluffing or v-betting with only queens. J raises pretty much only the minimum, I think 60 on top. I tank, announce I havent hero called anyone in Omahahahahaha before, might as well start now, and call. He has only an 8 or something, and I win a $260ish pot with one pair calling a raise on the end in Omaha... **** pokers easy...

This tilts J no end, and the next hand I get AKKT double suited on the button and I really thought that I could tilt get it in pre with J, but he just calls my button raise. I make broadway on a nasty board and I think end up winning...

Game is slowing down a bit, A has to work in the morning and the others are kind of over this one pair donkey playing, so the game tightens up. Last hand I make bottom set on a flushing flop from the BB and check hoping to raise. We all check, turn brings the flush, we all check. River is a blank and V from the SB pots it. I cry call, its only $12:rolleyes: and A I thought called as well, as he started a speech about getting something nice to V. I make a bad comment about slowcalling with the 5th nuts or something, and A kind of snaps out of it and folds. V goes nuts at me costing him $12, and him and J just decide to lay into me. I defend myself, decide its no use and that maybe my counterpunch of slowcalling top set when its the nuts, betting the river and waiting for the villian to show first, and a bunch of other notsogoodettiquettes can wait.

Omaha result: -$150 or so

This kills the game and I go to play 2/3 NL. I make two fairly standard bluffs with air, I raise UTG with AK, get called by C who is now playing holdem next in with K8o, he turns the OESD and rivers the straight, and I play bad and get it in on the end with TPTK...

Next orbit me and C talk about how nuts this table is, and if I just shipped $100 in pre with AA would I get called. I pick up KK in that speech:p and limp with the intention to shove. No-one raises. Flop QJ2 all diamonds and I have the Kd. Big bet, called. Turn blank. Ship, called by j8d. Blank river... I make $2 in the Hold Em session...

yay...
 
I played really bad/good *delete what isnt appropriate* tonight, but I will post some hands for some discussion before a full breakdown of the results...

1) ATo. I raise in MP and get one caller, someone reraises to 50 behind me(an old bloke I dont like much, he knows me and my rough range, which is like top 40% of hands). I call as does someone else who is irrelevant for this hand. Flop AQx and I ??? with effective stacks 120 at this point and the pot around the same...

2) AJ and I raise to 15 in EP. Maybe 4 players see a flop. Flop J93cc. I have no clubs. Checked to me, pot is around 60. I bet 40, next in minraises, someone calls... Effective stacks are around 130 or so after I put in the 40 more if I call... No reads on player behind me, cold caller is the old guy I dont like...

3) I raise J8o almost on the button. Blinds call for 10 each total. Flop 883 with a FD, I have no diamonds. Checked to me, I do what???

4) The big one IMO... I have QQ in an unopened pot on the button. We are shorthanded as most are lobbying, so I raise to 10 and the BB, unknown, calls. Flop T83 with two diamonds, I have the Qd. Checked to me, I bet 20, raised to 100 total... Effective stacks are deep at this point, I believe I have 380 or so at the start of the hand, he has me covered. If I do either of these the next play

i) I raise to 230 total, he shoves, I call???
ii) I flat call. Turn is the following which he checks to me
Ad?
2o?
T?
baby diamond?

iii) He executes the donk of death all in on these cards? Plans for???
Ad?
2o
T?
baby diamond...

Anyway, results later...
 
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