Autopsy Crows hammer Saints by 63 in round 1

[Joffaboy]

round one and we shouldve chosen someone else in the draft lol

Well both our recruits had no touches at all today.
Delist.

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[billings2paddy]

round one and we shouldve chosen someone else in the draft lol

It's a bit like 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 isn't it lol

 

[Remboy]

round one and we shouldve chosen someone else in the draft lol

I’m not one for big statements but if we’d picked Murphy Reid we would have won today. And yes, I am taking the piss.

 

[mad-saint-guy]

He is not nuggety for a start, and has been playing on a wing.
Hall was better than Reid this round. Do I think he will better in the long run? No. My point it is ridiculous to compare off one game.





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You're more impressed with 22 year old Hall's 16 disposals and 2 goals vs 18 year old Reid's 13 and 4?

I hope Trav turns out to be a gun wing or mid but he looks like a natural half back to me. Much like Sinclair, he looks better starting behind the ball.

 

[BrutThough]

I'm not bagging him. I think Trav has a solid career ahead of him and if we were flush with mids but needed a nuggety half back he would be a good choice.

Describing Trav as nuggety shows you are clueless on him as a player.

 

[billings2paddy]

Describing Trav as nuggety shows you are clueless on him as a player.

Hill was terrible today got his first kick in the 3rd quarter and yet apparently taught Travaglia a lesson doesn't feel me with confidence

 

[saintbill]

Every time I see a comment from saintbill, saintron, saintbloke or Saint Ray (all comically similar usernames too), I smile and picture a 50 something year old man, in a wifebeater, with the largest text possible on their phone, using one finger to bash their keyboard, with their seventh Melbourne Bitter can in the other hand?

Surely I'm not the only one?

Keep up the good work, chiefs.

Yeah, not quite mate. 43 and still bench 300 pounds for reps. Don't drink beer at all these days. Occasional red is about all. Prioritise fitness to stay young and healthy for the kids. Never felt better actually.

Also, why I harp on about strength all the time. It's an area I do know something about having been lifting weights consistently for 28 years.

I have watched blokes put on insane strength in the gym in a short period with proper programming. I know what is possible.

Been around the block long enough to tell we don't do anywhere near as much strength work as the other clubs. 100% convinced of that.

 

[Zzzed]

We have found a player in Hall.

Hastie and Arie did some nice things to suggest they have are better than last year and give them another [emoji637][emoji638] months and we may have a couple of good players there.

Caminiti showed today he just isn’t going to make it as a forward. A defender maybe. - I hope they persist with him in defence

Some of the senior players will be better for the run.

The result was exactly as I expected today. I’m hoping for a closer game next week.

 

[BrutThough]

Hill was terrible today got his first kick in the 3rd quarter and yet apparently taught Travaglia a lesson doesn't feel me with confidence

Yes, because this one game is a measure of what Hill is as a player and not every game he's played beforehand that shows he is capable of much more.

 

[PoppedCorn]

so youd also know that genetics plays the biggest role in it all
no one cares you bench 300 for reps or why you felt the need to tell us you can

 

[billings2paddy]

Yes, because this one game is a measure of what Hill is as a player and not every game he's played beforehand that shows he is capable of much more.

Same hill who was average against Port?

 

[saintbill]

Every time I see a comment from saintbill, saintron, saintbloke or Saint Ray (all comically similar usernames too), I smile and picture a 50 something year old man, in a wifebeater, with the largest text possible on their phone, using one finger to bash their keyboard, with their seventh Melbourne Bitter can in the other hand?

Surely I'm not the only one?

Keep up the good work, chiefs.

Also, when I read comments like this where you try to play the man I would sincerely hope that you are under 18 years old.

If you are a full grown adult then this is pretty embarrassing stuff. Do better.

Feel free to disagree on any points, but this attempt at mean girl high school stuff is beyond childish.

 

[Saints43]

If Nas signs on I’ll be surprised

Why would you look at that today and say i want to keep wasting my time getting pressured because the opposition doesn’t respect my teammates when i could have all the time in the world with the ball playing in SA

Miserable day of footy which will probably set the tone

If Nas is looking around at other St Kilda players saying "Not good enough today" then he lacks a certain amount of self awareness.

 

[stavro#4]

No one should be potting Tobes, personally - did I hope for others over TT, yeah. But he's a Saint now so we have to back him.

I will say though you are rewriting history if you say Travaglia was always the man after the 'midfield 7' throughout the 6 month long draft thread. That's certainly not how I recall it anyway.

So you're saying the only thing that had to happen for him to fall outside the top 9 was for us not to pick him at 8 or 9

Tauru was the only one in the last few weeks that looked any possibility of climbing.

Armstrong and Reid had both fallen during the back end of August and September outside of top 5 calculations.

Tauru had to go to north at 2 or the dees at 5. Which meant we were taking the slider at 7.

As per Twomeys late mail. We were choosing betwen Travaglia or Lindsay and the one not selected was going to the Dees.

 

[BrutThough]

Same hill who was average against Port?

Since you're so big on preseason games, the one who was great on the wing in the Indigenous All Stars game.

 

[saintbill]

so youd also know that genetics plays the biggest role in it all
no one cares you bench 300 for reps or why you felt the need to tell us you can

My wife cares

 

[Joffaboy]

If Nas is looking around at other St Kilda players saying "Not good enough today" then he lacks a certain amount of self awareness.

NWM was sloppy but tried all day to give us some drive. Players like Sincs and Hill should be looked at more. Sincs underdone but Hill was just missing.

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[jwikked]

Since you're so big on preseason games, the one who was great on the wing in the Indigenous All Stars game.

If only he had the same motivation to do it for the club that pays him

 

[Sheepey]

Many will say I am over-reacting to a loss where we were undermanned, but I have seriously grave concerns about the state and future of our footy club.

We have won one final in 14 years. During that time, we've watched clubs like Hawthorn, Geelong, Collingwood, Sydney, Brisbane either complete successful rebuilds or consistently compete a high level despite the draft system supposedly enforcing a boom/bust cycle. From memory, since 2011, we’ve only truly bottomed out once (2014, when we drafted McCartin) and finished in the bottom three just one other time (Billings). As much as Kane Cornes can be a knob, he is absolutely right when he says that we've been stuck in mediocrity, occasionally competitive but never a genuine premiership threat. This means we’re in the worst possible position; not good enough to challenge for a flag, but not bad enough to secure elite talent through the draft. No one wants to deliberately lose games, but the harsh reality is that a single Higgins goal in the dying seconds of 2024 cost us two draft spots, two early picks we desperately needed. It is unbearably St Kilda that we can’t even lose properly.

We've been turned away by so many free agents (I can't even remember them all, De Goey and Callaghan come to mind) despite big money offers that it's clear that players are avoiding us for a reason. Maybe the all powerful player agents are steering their clients away, warning them that we’re not a good destination. Whatever the case, our track record only makes it harder to attract future free agents. Unlike some clubs, we can’t offer massive crowds or lucrative under-the-table sponsorship deals like Cotton On. That means we rely far more on on-field success to draw in talent, something we simply haven’t been able to achieve.

Our list has an alarming lack of talent. We made Port Adelaide look incredible in the preseason, only for them to get smashed by 90+ points last night. Adelaide’s slick ball movement today would have been easily disrupted by a side that applied enough pressure on the ball carrier - something any professional team should do as a bare minimum - but we couldn’t even manage that. We looked slow, undersized, and unskilled. Worse still, our most important players also tend to be our most injury-prone, so we consistently start seasons limping rather than firing. And now, our brightest young star in NWM could be eyeing the exit after just a few years at the club. If he leaves, it would be a disaster.

The reality staring us in the face is that we need to fully bottom out and accumulate elite talent rather than hovering around 9th-12th with an okay-but-not-good-enough list. But just our luck, thanks to academy/FS and then Tasmania's entry into the competition, the next few drafts are will be among the most compromised yet. We're staring down prolonged mediocrity without even the silver lining of a high-draft picks.

How long can a club with high levels of debt to the AFL and poor on-field results continue to stay functioning?

Like I say, I really hope I’m overreacting. But the worst-case scenario? We get key players back late in the season, go on a run, and land, yet again, in that dreaded 9th-12th range. It’s a lose-lose situation, and right now, I can’t see a way out.

 

[billings2paddy]

Since you're so big on preseason games, the one who was great on the wing in the Indigenous All Stars game.

And, was very fortunate not to be subbed off today.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Effort is a non negotiatable
There was no effort in my view

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I didn't see that TBH. Looked to me like the group were playing behind their opponent at all times in some overall plan to negate. We allowed them to set the tone and style, be first to the ball and they cut us to ribbons.
Adelaide pressured the shit out of our ball movement and boxed us into playing an aerial game which they were always gonna win.

 

[billings2paddy]

Many will say I am over-reacting to a loss where we were undermanned, but I have seriously grave concerns about the state and future of our footy club.

We have won one final in 14 years. During that time, we've watched clubs like Hawthorn, Geelong, Collingwood, Sydney, Brisbane either complete successful rebuilds or consistently compete a high level despite the draft system supposedly enforcing a boom/bust cycle. From memory, since 2011, we’ve only truly bottomed out once (2014, when we drafted McCartin) and finished in the bottom three just one other time (Billings). As much as Kane Cornes can be a knob, he is absolutely right when he says that we've been stuck in mediocrity, occasionally competitive but never a genuine premiership threat. This means we’re in the worst possible position; not good enough to challenge for a flag, but not bad enough to secure elite talent through the draft. No one wants to deliberately lose games, but the harsh reality is that a single Higgins goal in the dying seconds of 2024 cost us two draft spots, two early picks we desperately needed. It is unbearably St Kilda that we can’t even lose properly.

We've been turned away by so many free agents (I can't even remember them all, De Goey and Callaghan come to mind) despite big money offers that it's clear that players are avoiding us for a reason. Maybe the all powerful player agents are steering their clients away, warning them that we’re not a good destination. Whatever the case, our track record only makes it harder to attract future free agents. Unlike some clubs, we can’t offer massive crowds or lucrative under-the-table sponsorship deals like Cotton On. That means we rely far more on on-field success to draw in talent, something we simply haven’t been able to achieve.

Our list has an alarming lack of talent. We made Port Adelaide look incredible in the preseason, only for them to get smashed by 90+ points last night. Adelaide’s slick ball movement today would have been easily disrupted by a side that applied enough pressure on the ball carrier - something any professional team should do as a bare minimum - but we couldn’t even manage that. We looked slow, undersized, and unskilled. Worse still, our most important players also tend to be our most injury-prone, so we consistently start seasons limping rather than firing. And now, our brightest young star in NWM could be eyeing the exit after just a few years at the club. If he leaves, it would be a disaster.

The reality staring us in the face is that we need to fully bottom out and accumulate elite talent rather than hovering around 9th-12th with an okay-but-not-good-enough list. But just our luck, thanks to academy/FS and then Tasmania's entry into the competition, the next few drafts are will be among the most compromised yet. We're staring down prolonged mediocrity without even the silver lining of a high-draft picks.

How long can a club with high levels of debt to the AFL and poor on-field results continue to stay functioning?

Like I say, I really hope I’m overreacting. But the worst-case scenario? We get key players back late in the season, go on a run, and land, yet again, in that dreaded 9th-12th range. It’s a lose-lose situation, and right now, I can’t see a way out.

Exactly

 

[gringo2011]

We have found a player in Hall.

Hastie and Arie did some nice things to suggest they have are better than last year and give them another [emoji637][emoji638] months and we may have a couple of good players there.

Caminiti showed today he just isn’t going to make it as a forward. A defender maybe. - I hope they persist with him in defence

Some of the senior players will be better for the run.

The result was exactly as I expected today. I’m hoping for a closer game next week.

I only saw the first half before going out to lunch. Hall and Hastie were both good up until then. The rest are an embarrassment. Play the kids. The seniors are mostly pathetic. Losing by 100 points we can do with 18 year olds and fast-track them.

Should have probably held out extending Lyon too. Might be time to do something drastic and trade the older players. It's a shame we didn't do it last year like the Tigers. Looks like we could bottom 4 but in a much worse draft.

 

[gringo2011]

NWM was sloppy but tried all day to give us some drive. Players like Sincs and Hill should be looked at more. Sincs underdone but Hill was just missing.

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I don't think Hill had had a touch at half time. Absolutely terrible.

 

[saintbill]

I only saw the first half before going out to lunch. Hall and Hastie were both good up until then. The rest are an embarrassment. Play the kids. The seniors are mostly pathetic. Losing by 100 points we can do with 18 year olds and fast-track them.

Should have probably held out extending Lyon too. Might be time to do something drastic and trade the older players. It's a shame we didn't do it last year like the Tigers. Looks like we could bottom 4 but in a much worse draft.

Yep, no point playing the likes of Jones. Hall was excellent. Just throw Boxshall in there next week and give him a few weeks to prove himself.

Clark is still young enough to offer something but he is running out of credits.