Crows v Eagles

[KUNG FU]

Agree players need to put in the training, however there are contradictions in the Crows actions:
1) The club knew he would concentrate on his studies in 2008
2) The Club put together a training regime whilst Danger was studying, which was going to be monitored by the club. If Danger isn't fit they should take some of the blame as they were suppose to monitor him.
3) The club plays him against the Dons and Saints in rounds 20 & 21 2008. If he wasn't at the fittness levels the club requires in Dec 08 /Jan 09 as Neil says how on earth could he have been fit for the games against the Dons and Saints.
4) And if he wasn't fit (excluding injury) for the game against the Cats why was he played in the IAS game.

So if we agree that players need to put in the training then Danger should not have played a game last year or this year based on what Neil is saying.

1) Draft picks are based on their potential output over their careers, and more specifically, their output during their peak, typically age 22-30 - No need to care about 2008, if he'll be ready to peak. Plus, Danger is quite under-aged, in fact he would be ineligible to be drafted at the same age this year, so we didn't really lose much by having him interstate.
2) Monitor all you want, a player has to make the decision to follow through on a training regime done in their own time. Admittedly, it would be hard to expect an kid doing year 12 in another state from the club to really show the dedication needed to get up to speed. If he wanted to be ready, he would have had to have shown extra self-discipline, but he didn't and he wasn't ready.
3) His 2 games last year was a last minute experiment to see if Danger could possibly cover for the loss of both Porps and Burton during September. They also brought Otten back prematurely after a very quiet first game against Hawthorn (admittedly a tough game, and little TOG). They experimented, it didn't quite work, but you have to take risks in that scenario with little options in September. It was a pragmatic decision in an non-ideal setting.
4) The IAS game had squads of 30 players, as opposed to the 26 used in the NAB Cup games.

 

[WALL-e]

It doesn't even have a lot to do with last year. If he's not at the level others are, he wont play. When he is, he will. This isn't punishment for not doing all he couild last year, it's simply picking the team from who's ready.

Don't worry, he's too good a prospect to stay out for long.

 

[maccas_no1]

Would you want to go to Berri given the choice?

What doesnt anyone have the abilty to drive 2 and half hours to Berri to see their club play

I mean geez I had to endure a 40min train ride on Saturday night to go see them play.

 

[cmndstab]

KF already answered your questions so I won't labour answers myself, but the club did accept responsibility for Danger not being fit enough yet.

 

[twentydollarnote]

Agree players need to put in the training, however there are contradictions in the Crows actions:
1) The club knew he would concentrate on his studies in 2008
2) The Club put together a training regime whilst Danger was studying, which was going to be monitored by the club. If Danger isn't fit they should take some of the blame as they were suppose to monitor him.
3) The club plays him against the Dons and Saints in rounds 20 & 21 2008. If he wasn't at the fittness levels the club requires in Dec 08 /Jan 09 as Neil says how on earth could he have been fit for the games against the Dons and Saints.
4) And if he wasn't fit (excluding injury) for the game against the Cats why was he played in the IAS game.

So if we agree that players need to put in the training then Danger should not have played a game last year or this year based on what Neil is saying.

lol true, but i think they were just giving him a bit of a taster for the real thing last year. There were only 2-3 people to miss in the all-stars game so he would have had to have been in the worst 3 players on the list to miss.

 

[twentydollarnote]

KF already answered your questions so I won't labour answers myself, but the club did accept responsibility for Danger not being fit enough yet.

Craigy always accepts the blame not that it actually means much, then he says it will be something we have to get better at and everyone goes home happy.

 

[Mismatched]

Danger will play if:
1) He has taken Holy Communion at 7.30 am on Thursday morning from pastor Craig
2) Has read the bible 5 times
3) Has confessed all his sins of the past 10 years to pastor Craig.
4) Schedules weekly confessional's with pastor Craig while at the AFC.

FGS, why did'nt he play against the Cats. Have heard some suggest he is not quite fit enough, if that is the case how on earth could he have been picked to play in the Indigenous All Stars game.

Too much Fooey coming from pastor Craig at the minute.

Our first round pick in 07, has been likened to many current superstars (by people in Melbourne at his TAC club) and we see it fit not to play him...JOKE!!

If he is injured thats another story, however he has not been reported as such.

Big Gazoongas is onto something, in that we're not getting the full story. Word I have (and you don't have to believe it), is that young Patty is not exactly in Craigy's good books at the moment. Nothing major or anything, just that they're making him work for his spot in the side.

 

[cmndstab]

In any event, I think it's a fairly safe bet that Danger will get games at some stage this year. When he does, if he plays as well as we hope he can, all will be forgiven and his place will be assured.

 

[Alex99]

Big Gazoongas is onto something, in that we're not getting the full story. Word I have (and you don't have to believe it), is that young Patty is not exactly in Craigy's good books at the moment. Nothing major or anything, just that they're making him work for his spot in the side.

That's probably a good thing and in the long term will make him a better player as long as Neil Craig doesn't get stubborn by refusing to play him like he did with Walker last year.

 

[cmndstab]

Neil Craig was right not to play Walker last year.

 

[maccas_no1]

Of course i do. About 2 hours east. What's your point.

Clearly you dont know where Berri is

You said you wanted to see the club play local, well maybe that wont happen, so whats the harm in driving to Berri??? It all wont be handed to you on a silver platter you know.

 

[Cap]

Clearly you dont know where Berri is

You said you wanted to see the club play local, well maybe that wont happen, so whats the harm in driving to Berri??? It all wont be handed to you on a silver platter you know.

make sure you all stay over night and then go to the waikere food fair the next day

 

[maccas_no1]

make sure you all stay over night and then go to the waikere food fair the next day

Exactly make a w/end of it

 

[Alex99]

Clearly you dont know where Berri is

You said you wanted to see the club play local, well maybe that wont happen, so whats the harm in driving to Berri??? It all wont be handed to you on a silver platter you know.

I know where it is, so i forgot a small part about heading North for 50 odd kms before heading East.

It's a bit like heading towards Port Lincoln, you have to head North (Port Wakefield) before heading back West. Port Lincoln is on the West Coast of SA, just as you have to predominanly head East with a slight deviation in a northerly direction to get to Berri.

 

[Alex99]

make sure you all stay over night and then go to the waikere food fair the next day

Where?

Isn't it Waikaroo.

 

[beartoo]

Waikerup!

 

[Cap]

Where?

Isn't it Waikaroo.

*This is for the regional challenge in Berri whenever that is

Well stay at the Berri Resort Hotel (or the Renmark Golf club) or the Berri Hotel Motel or something like that... plenty of places to stay.

Waikerie(Waikaroo) has their international food fair on this time every year, they changed it as not to clash with the Footy. So a bit of wine tasting in the Riverland followed by some food and heap back to the city

 

[Alex99]

*This is for the regional challenge in Berri whenever that is

Well stay at the Berri Resort Hotel (or the Renmark Golf club) or the Berri Hotel Motel or something like that... plenty of places to stay.

Waikerie(Waikaroo) has their international food fair on this time every year, they changed it as not to clash with the Footy. So a bit of wine tasting in the Riverland followed by some food and heap back to the city

Much to Macca_no1 chagrin, we have already started to plan something like that.

 

[Cap]

Much to Macca_no1 chagrin, we have already started to plan something like that.

nice

 

[maccas_no1]

I know where it is, so i forgot a small part about heading North for 50 odd kms before heading East.

It's a bit like heading towards Port Lincoln, you have to head North (Port Wakefield) before heading back West. Port Lincoln is on the West Coast of SA, just as you have to predominanly head East with a slight deviation in a northerly direction to get to Berri.

Im fully aware the location of Port Lincoln I grew up in Whyalla.

You head north more than 50kms to get to Berri you have to go up through the Clare Valley.

Good that I have hellped you decide that it isnt too much otu of your 'comfort zone' to head up there.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

Would you want to go to Berri given the choice?

harsh!

 

[Freddy Bassett]

Big Gazoongas is onto something, in that we're not getting the full story. Word I have (and you don't have to believe it), is that young Patty is not exactly in Craigy's good books at the moment. Nothing major or anything, just that they're making him work for his spot in the side.

And so we should. If Craigy thinks he needs to work harder keeping him out the side is a great way to teach him. It has seemed to work wonders so far with Walker this pre-season. The problem with being a high draft pick is after you have been picked up, you are in the same position as the last bloke on the list but with very high expectations on your shoulders.

 

[cmndstab]

I keep having this nervous, paranoid thought that Dangerfield might have come here with promises of playing football, figured he was doing enough to make it into the side, and then suddenly has been hit with this dose of reality, and is going to crack the shits and take off home. I know it's foolish (especially as he is reportedly a fantastic character) but it keeps scaring me

 

[betterthanu]

Hes on a 3 year contract isnt he?

 

[Pietmans]

Are we reading too much into the Dangerfield situation?

His 2008 season finished early when he was barred from playing for the Falcons in the finals because he had by then debuted in the AFL. He would have been quite match fit at the time he debuted from his regular Falcons games.

After that, though there was an extended off-season break during which he had to study for Year 12 exams. It seems to me that he might have put more effort into that and fell behind in his conditioning. If so, its hardly being irresponsible - as opposed to going surfing etc.

Craig has stated that he arrived for the start of training (later than everyone else and after his exams) in a less perfect physical condition than they had expected. Then he was on track to make that up when he suffered a hamstring stain followed by the whiplash from the taxi accident and had to be transferred to light training duties.

He simply isn't in the same condition as those being selected - Cooke, Petrenko, Otten etc all of whom have done a full pre-season and started in better shape than him.

Yes he played in Darwin but took a heavy knock and may well have been rested because of that as well.

At this stage I don't think its any big deal - he will come up to speed and when form permits he will be selected. Kite, Walker, Petrenko, Otten and to a much lesser extent Cook all have sound SANFL experience from last year playing against men that would also put them in front.