Crows v Kangaroos

[Kane McGoodwin]

Question #1 - Do we play Carey? I reckon yes IF he is close to being fit for perhaps a half only. Also, would get some of the hooha about playing his old club out of the way before the real stuff starts. He needs the match practice.

Question #2 - Squad changes? At leat 2 players need to be dropped from the 26 man squad. Those under the most pressure - Smith & Bock. However, Stinger should be available, & perhaps Welsh & Carey too. So who makes way? Rutten, Crowell & unlucky Shirley?

Side could be something like as follows:

FF: Bode, Carey, Burns
HF Burton, Stevens, Edwards
C: Ladhams, Stenglein, Doughty
HB: Torney, McGregor, Johnc ock
FB: Bickley, Smart, Hart
R: Clarke, Goodwin, McLeod
I: Biglands, Perrie, Welsh, Reilly, Gallagher, Mattner
E: Rutten, Shirley, Crowell

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Don't play Carey: Laidley

Don't play Carey: Laidley
10:20:11 PM Sat 1 March, 2003
Barry Levinson
afl.com.au

Kangaroos coach Dean Laidley has some advice for Adelaide counterpart Gary Ayres ahead of their Wizard Home Loans Cup semi-final at AAMI Stadium next Friday night – don’t play Wayne Carey.

The former Roos skipper declared on Friday night - before he knew that his new team would be playing his old team – that he was keen to pull on the boots for the Crows for the first time this year, after overcoming a back-related hamstring complaint.

It would mark the first on-field meeting between Carey and his former teammates since he quit the club in disgrace last year.

Asked whether the Crows should play Carey next week, Laidley replied: “Given the recent history of what’s happened there with his soft tissue since he’s been back there, probably not.

“They’ve made a pretty big investment in him and I wouldn’t play him. I’d want him for the home and away season.”

But Laidley said he was not concerned about facing an Adelaide team with the star forward included.

“I don’t care. If he plays, terrific. If he doesn’t, play round six (when the teams are scheduled to meet in the home and away season).”

Either way, the coach said he would not address the issue with his players during the week.

“I don’t think I have to talk about it to be honest. I don’t think I have to.

“It’s in the past, but I think the players will talk about it. I don’t think I need to say anything about it. I wasn’t there.”

But Kangaroos midfielder Shannon Grant, who told afl.com.au that he “couldn’t care” whether or not Carey played against them next week, doubted that it would be a topic of conversation amongst the players.

“I don’t think it will be discussed by the players. We’re pretty professional down here. We don’t worry about that sort of thing. We’ll just go out there and try and beat the 24 that come at us.”

If Carey does play, Laidley indicated that ex-Fremantle recruit Leigh Brown would come under consideration for the job of playing on him. [Yeah, good luck telling Archer ].

 

[Blues_Girl]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Question #1 - Do we play Carey? I reckon yes IF he is close to being fit for perhaps a half only. Also, would get some of the hooha about playing his old club out of the way before the real stuff starts. He needs the match practice.

Question #2 - Squad changes? At leat 2 players need to be dropped from the 26 man squad. Those under the most pressure - Smith & Bock. However, Stinger should be available, & perhaps Welsh & Carey too. So who makes way? Rutten, Crowell & unlucky Shirley?

Side could be something like as follows:

FF: Bode, Carey, Burns
HF Burton, Stevens, Edwards
C: Ladhams, Stenglein, Doughty
HB: Torney, McGregor, Johnc ock
FB: Bickley, Smart, Hart
R: Clarke, Goodwin, McLeod
I: Biglands, Perrie, Welsh, Reilly, Gallagher, Mattner
E: Rutten, Shirley, Crowell

1. If he's fit play him! He needs the match practice before the season starts and from all reports he's raring to play regardless of who we play!

2. I agree. Drop Bock and Smith and possibly Shirley to make room for Carey, Welsh and Stenglein. Have a strong feeling Welsh will play this week, it said so in my horoscope this morning

 

[Jerome]

1. If he is fit, yes. If he can get through a half of footy without an injury I'll be happy. Can't keep him in cotton wool forever.

2. Today's paper mentioned Basset may be fit for this week. If we can get Stenglien, Basset, Welsh and Carey in this week, I'd be happy. The guy making this difficult is Perrie! No one expected him to play as well as he has the past two weeks.

Jerome

 

[Damp Squarie]

Perrie has to stay,
It would be unfair to mess with him.

Like Blues_Girl says, weve got to play him sometimes SO if he's fit slot him in. Id start him, run him for a half and cotton wool him.

Smith Mattner then Rutten should be dropped in that order

 

[Daz^]

Play Carey ?

I think we should pick carey even if he only takes the field for ten minutes just to get some of the media crap out of the way so that the build up to the round 6 game can be a bit better managed, can you imagine the build up ?! , will be bad enough still but lets try and get that sort of rubbish over a bit before the real stuff hits I reckon.

Daz.

 

[macca23]

I don't think Carey will play. He was scheduled to be ready around next week, which is why I think they'll add one week on for safety.

Presuming Carey doesn't play, but Stenglein does, the INS are likely to be

Bassett
Stenglein
Welsh

with Begley, Massie and Schuback waiting in line for a game.

As the squad has to be cut from 26 to 24, that means 5 players have to go out from last week's squad. Presuming Crowell is an injury, IMO the OUTS will be

Crowell
Smith
Bock
Shirley (it's either him or Stinga but can't be both)
Gallagher

Gallagher would be dead stiff to be dropped (and might not be) but I have chosen a big strong player in Rutten for the bench as we are a bit short overall otherwise.

My side would then become

FF: Welsh, Perrie, Burns
HF: Edwards, Stevens, Ladhams
C: Burton, Stenglein, Doughty
HB: Torney, McGregor, Johnc ock
FB: Smart, Bassett, Hart
R: Clarke, Goodwin, McLeod
I: Biglands, Bickley, Bode , Reilly, Rutten, Mattner
E: Gallagher, Shirley, Crowell

It's getting harder and harder to fit them in.

 

[Stiffy_18]

1. If medical staff give him all clear (ie He is 100% fit), then I say play him for a half of footy, maybe even 3 quarters depending on how things turn out.

2. Bassett, Stenglein and possibly Welsh and Carey would come in. That means we need to drop 6 players.

Crowell, Shirley, Smith, Rutten, Mattner and Bock are the ones that I would drop. You cannot drop Perrie as he has show a fair bit in 2 games so far. I would have prefered to see Rutten in defence for a whole game but as I said it would be between him and Perrie and Perie has done enough to hold on to a spot.

FF: Matthew Bode _ Wayne Carey _ Ronnie Burns
HF: Chris Ladhams _ Mark Stevens _ Tyson Edwards
C: Michael Doughty _ Tyson Stenglein _ Brett Burton
HB: Jason Torney _ Ken McGregor _ Ben Hart
FB: Nigel Smart _ Nathan Bassett _ Graham John****
1R: Matthew Clarke _ Andrew McLeod _ Simon Goodwin

Int: Rhett Biglands _ Brent Reilly _ James Gallagher
___ Mark Bickley _ Ian Perrie _ Scott Welsh

Emg: Ben Rutten _ Martin Mattner _ Robert Shirley

 

[Jerome]

Originally posted by macca23
INS are likely to be

Bassett
Stenglein
Welsh

My side would then become

FF: Welsh, Perrie, Burns
HF: Edwards, Stevens, Ladhams
C: Burton, Stenglein, Doughty
HB: Torney, McGregor, Johnc ock
FB: Smart, Bassett, Hart
R: Clarke, Goodwin, McLeod
I: Biglands, Bickley, Bode , Reilly, Rutten, Mattner
E: Gallagher, Shirley, Crowell

It's getting harder and harder to fit them in.

It is! I like your side, I think it will be out of Gags and Mattner this week. Very healthy situation for us to be in.

Nine and Seven both stated that Carey would not play this week. Crows have ruled him out. Still - anything could happen between now and Friday.

Jerome

 

[crowsfan]

If the med staff still have any doubt over Carey's niggle or whatever, I don't think we should play him. I don't think we need to take the risk. We've been winning without him, and though his presence would certainly be valued, he's not a necessity at the moment. It's only the WC, and though its important for getting a good start to the main season, I'd rather have a fully fit Carey come Round 1, than to risk him in the semi.

As for all the alleged media attention, who really cares? So he plays his old side -- that's great. The footy is more impt and if the papers wanna focus on other crap, then nothing has really changed has it?

 

[Shinboners]

Just thought I'd pop my head in over here and say that I've borrowed Kane McGoodwin and Macca23's selected teams for our own discussion on the Roos board.

 

[Rumourmunger]

I don't think he will play.
He will be shaking in his boots when Archer confronts him.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by macca23
I don't think Carey will play. He was scheduled to be ready around next week, which is why I think they'll add one week on for safety.

Presuming Carey doesn't play, but Stenglein does, the INS are likely to be

Bassett
Stenglein
Welsh

with Begley, Massie and Schuback waiting in line for a game.

As the squad has to be cut from 26 to 24, that means 5 players have to go out from last week's squad. Presuming Crowell is an injury, IMO the OUTS will be

Crowell
Smith
Bock
Shirley (it's either him or Stinga but can't be both)
Gallagher

Gallagher would be dead stiff to be dropped (and might not be) but I have chosen a big strong player in Rutten for the bench as we are a bit short overall otherwise.

My side would then become

FF: Welsh, Perrie, Burns
HF: Edwards, Stevens, Ladhams
C: Burton, Stenglein, Doughty
HB: Torney, McGregor, Johnc ock
FB: Smart, Bassett, Hart
R: Clarke, Goodwin, McLeod
I: Biglands, Bickley, Bode , Reilly, Rutten, Mattner
E: Gallagher, Shirley, Crowell

It's getting harder and harder to fit them in.

You are a hard man macca23. If Gags gets dropped I am going to Iraq.... for good

I think after his performance in Darwin Gallagher would be STIFF BIG TIME if he got dropped. I was actually considering him for a starting spot on the wing before Doughty. I think Mattner is in more danger to get dropped than Gags but having said that I have a funny feeling that Welsh will not get a recall this week and both Gags and Mattner stay in the side. I wouldn't drop Gags but I also see Mattner as a perfect match for Wells.

If Carey doesn't play then Rutten should stay in the side and hopefully we play him in defence against the roos.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Rumourmunger
I don't think he will play.
He will be shaking in his boots when Archer confronts him.

He is never shaking in his boots and you of all people should know that.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
You are a hard man macca23. If Gags gets dropped I am going to Iraq.... for good

I think after his performance in Darwin Gallagher would be STIFF BIG TIME if he got dropped. I was actually considering him for a starting spot on the wing before Doughty. I think Mattner is in more danger to get dropped than Gags but having said that I have a funny feeling that Welsh will not get a recall this week and both Gags and Mattner stay in the side. I wouldn't drop Gags but I also see Mattner as a perfect match for Wells.

If Carey doesn't play then Rutten should stay in the side and hopefully we play him in defence against the roos.

I felt like a hard man when I left Gags out of my selections, Stiffy.

But it's all about winning and getting the matchups right. If it's a fine night then we ned a bit of height on the bench, and on top of that Mattner can play a variety of roles.

What may save Gags is the weather forecast that it may be a cooler type evening with the turf becoming slippery. In that case we could go with a shorter side.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Shinboners
Just thought I'd pop my head in over here and say that I've borrowed Kane McGoodwin and Macca23's selected teams for our own discussion on the Roos board.

No probs. You're welcome any time.

 

[Shinboners]

Originally posted by macca23
No probs. You're welcome any time.

If you're too lazy to pop over to the Roos board, here are the match ups I've made against Macca23's team:

Assuming no Stevo, Rocca, or Wells.

F: Welsh, Perrie, Burns
B: Archer , Watt, Teague

HF: Edwards, Stevens, Ladhams
HB: Sinclair, Baird, Rawlings

C: Burton, Stenglein, Doughty
C: D. Motlop, Simpson, King

HB: Torney, McGregor, Johnc ock
HF: Morrell, Brown, Makepeace

FB: Smart, Bassett, Hart
F: Jones, Harding, Grant

Foll: Clarke, Goodwin, McLeod
Foll: Porter, Harvey, Robbins

Inter: Biglands, Bickley, Bode , Reilly, Rutten, Mattner
Inter: Harris, Hale, S.Clayton, Petrie, Watson, J.Clayton

And the preview:

We'll learn a lot on just where we are against Adelaide. It should be similar to the Melbourne game, but the Crows are a much more disciplined side than the Demons. The Crows are e a very good, battle hardened side who are comfortable with their game plan. I think we'll give them a good run for their money, but their experience will see them eventually get a break and they'll win by about 4 or 5 goals in the end.

 

[Davo75]

All of your obsessions with naming a line up for a minor game like this semi final makes me want to puke!!!!

Your not the selectors, they will pick the best side available and provided the blokes come up well after that energy sapping game in Darwin, with or without Wayne, we will wallop the Roo's!!!

And if we dont, who cares!!!!!

We have Round 1 to look forward to ..........

 

[Jars458]

In Stenglein
Bassett

Out Crowell
Smith
Mattner (was ordinary on Friday)
Bock or Doughty depending on team balance.


Good game by John**** Smart Perrie Shirley and Reilly looked ok.

Kicks went a bit high would be my only criticism.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Davo75
All of your obsessions with naming a line up for a minor game like this semi final makes me want to puke!!!!

Your not the selectors, they will pick the best side

Well I hope you did puke!!

You really do have some problems in life.

None of us have ever pretended to be the Crows selectors. But, like all footy fans we have an opinion and are entitled to express it. People can then choose to agree or disagree with that opinion - that's called democracy.

So Davo, go puke!!

 

[noddy]

Not sure about Carey not playing, could Reidy be setting a smoke screen up to by pass all the midweek hullabaloo ?? & then say on fri how well Wayne has trained on thursday so he is to be selected for sat game against the Roos , just a thought.

If no Carey,

ins,= Welsh, Stenglein & Schuback or Massie,

outs = Bock, Mattner, Crowell, Smith & maybe a choice between Rutton & Shirley depending on team balance,
Gallagher's second half effort last week demands another run this sat.

 

[Jars458]

Originally posted by Davo75
All of your obsessions with naming a line up for a minor game like this semi final makes me want to puke!!!!

Over reaction post of the year.

Don't read it if you don't like it. Chill.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Davo75
All of your obsessions with naming a line up for a minor game like this semi final makes me want to puke!!!!

Your not the selectors, they will pick the best side available and provided the blokes come up well after that energy sapping game in Darwin, with or without Wayne, we will wallop the Roo's!!!

And if we dont, who cares!!!!!

We have Round 1 to look forward to ..........

If you don't like the discussion, don't read it!!! It is a free world & this board is what everyone (not just Davo75) want's to make it. Are you sure your puking doesn't have more to do with something else, eg alcohol consumption...

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by noddy
Not sure about Carey not playing, could Reidy be setting a smoke screen up to by pass all the midweek hullabaloo ?? & then say on fri how well Wayne has trained on thursday so he is to be selected for sat game against the Roos , just a thought.

If no Carey,

ins,= Welsh, Stenglein & Schuback or Massie,

outs = Bock, Mattner, Crowell, Smith & maybe a choice between Rutton & Shirley depending on team balance,
Gallagher's second half effort last week demands another run this sat.

Noddy, my understanding is that Carey has been training regularly during the last couple of weeks. He is being put through a program than has the similar impact as if he was playing a match. The program is designed to actually make him somewhat match fit. Carey already has good aerobic fitness. From what I could gather he hasn't actually pulled his hammy or anything like that, its just that he gets sore back after a hit out and he feels as he is just about to pull a hammy.

As I said he is being put through a program that makes him ready for playing matches ("match fit")and eliminates any soreness that he would feel after undertaking match conditioning.

Cheers

 

[Shinboners]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18

As I said he is being put through a program that makes him ready for playing matches ("match fit")and eliminates any soreness that he would feel after undertaking match conditioning.

Carey's training program to actual match conditions would be similar to a pilot training on a flight simulator before being able to fly an actual aircraft - the preparation might be right, but there's always another step to the real thing.

If all goes smoothly with his training and Carey is right for round 1, I would still think that the Crows would have to ease him back into actually playing footy....he may get a half in round 1 and slowly build up to a full game by round 4 or 5.