Crumbing

[lacrow]

In recent years I've noticed a disturbing trend at the Crows, which is that we can't crumb for sh**t. What is wrong?

Games against Brisbane are the perfect example:
1. We bomb it into the forward line with no rhyme or reason
2. Mal Michael punches the ball forward as far as he can... EVERY SINGLE TIME, yet...
3. None of our guys catches on to this fact and positions themselves accordingly.

It seems like every game I watch the other side is getting all the crumbs. Especially when we go inside the 50-meter line.

Thoughts?

 

[Portia]

Bodey was a gun at crumbing at Port. Admittedly that was a long time ago.

 

[tribey]

You can have him back if you want.

 

[noddy]

Bodey was a gun at crumbing at Port. Admittedly that was a long time ago.

He wasn't too bad at it with us until a couple of years ago.

 

[Cap]

wait for the next ask coach questions - i asked the same damn question

hopefully it gets answered by NC himself

gives me the ********s watching our ability to turn it over in the forward lines

thats were Mr Welsh was really useful

 

[Stiffy_18]

There is no question we lack some real crumbing power. Something that needs to be addressed ASAP. Still Bode is our best crumber ATM.

 

[arrowman]

I'd put Ladhams (getting his act together) down on the list of potentially valuable crumbers also. Dunno about his ability to get the ball in that situation, when he does get it he is IMHO one of the best snapshots going around.

 

[Crowked]

Yeh, its become a big problem.

With the likes of these guys playing a fair bit up there,

Bode
McLeod
Johncock
Welsh
Edwards
Ladhams

you wouldnt think crumbing would be a big problem. However for some reason we are one of the worst in the comp at it. Bemusing to say the least. We should be among the best.

 

[Mad Dog]

it pains me to say this....for a number of reasons...but...the best crumber we've ever had is Liptak.

now thats a sad state of affairs...

 

[Stiffy_18]

I'd put Ladhams (getting his act together) down on the list of potentially valuable crumbers also. Dunno about his ability to get the ball in that situation, when he does get it he is IMHO one of the best snapshots going around.

I agree with the best snapshot assesment but IMHO one of Bode's real strengths is his ability to read the ball off hands. Now his skills might be average but his ability in this area is as good as any.

A focused and in form Ladhams is a very handy player but if Ladhams had Bode's ability to read the ball of hands then he woudl just about be the complete package.

 

[Stiffy_18]

it pains me to say this....for a number of reasons...but...the best crumber we've ever had is Liptak.

now thats a sad state of affairs...

In all honesty, I would have Liptak type player in a second now. He is THE best crumber we have ever had at the club.

 

[No 1 Draft Pick]

it pains me to say this....for a number of reasons...but...the best crumber we've ever had is Liptak.

now thats a sad state of affairs...

Good call MD re Lippy

I would have thought it easier to better our crumbing than magically pull a strong marking brutish forward out of the hat. With the crows going inside 50 consistently near a league high then this is an area we should be seriously better at

 

[Crowked]

it pains me to say this....for a number of reasons...but...the best crumber we've ever had is Liptak.

now thats a sad state of affairs...

Nothing wrong with Liptak, 1996 Club Champion. Only injuries stopped him from being one of the best crumbing rovers in the AFL IMO.

Wish we had a couple of him in todays squad thats for sure.

 

[Damp Squarie]

My best crumbers

1. Johncoc k
2. Bode
3. Ladhams


Being Front and Centre has a whole new meaning when it comes to how well the ball gets brought in though.

Mal Michael was pushing off of Row 3 to thump the ball 40 metres away from any crumber we may have thought we had - due solely to poor kicks

 

[Mad Dog]

Nothing wrong with Liptak, 1996 Club Champion. Only injuries stopped him from being one of the best crumbing rovers in the AFL IMO.

Wish we had a couple of him in todays squad thats for sure.

no nothing wrong with Lippy....watch those 1992 and 1993 tapes and he showed the way with his crumbing........the "it pains me" reference was more to do with the fact that over 14 years....he stands out head and shoulders....daylight second.....we haven't been able to develop many at all.

 

[marvin]

Sorry guys, but in crumbing, Andrew McLeod is streets ahead of Matty Liptak.

It's no coincidence that in our premiership years we had multiple crumbing options. Look at the 97 goalkickers - Bond 20, DJ 39, Vardy 28, plus James, Macca and Tyson Edwards as viable alternatives when resting up forward.

 

[arrowman]

...for some reason we are one of the worst in the comp at it. Bemusing to say the least. We should be among the best.

I think it's to do with confidence and taking responsibility. Guys who have the ball inside 50 should be willing (and encouraged) to take their shots instead of looking to pass off and try to "improve the position" (= risk losing the chance).

I'd rather see us kick 19.35 by taking our shots than 16.5 by making it "perfect".

 

[rooboy]

One of the things that we really lack in the forward line is real speed. Most of our forwards are slow and just don't seem to be able to get to the ball when it is punched clear.

Personally, I would like to see Johncock and Edwards given plenty of time in the forward line.

 

[macca23]

One of the things that we really lack in the forward line is real speed. Most of our forwards are slow and just don't seem to be able to get to the ball when it is punched clear.

Personally, I would like to see Johncock and Edwards given plenty of time in the forward line.

I agree with that latter statement.

I'm sure that we must be the worst crumbing team in the comp, and have been for some years now.

That was a huge weakness once again aginst Port. So many more forward 50 entries than port, but another loss illustrates my point.

Craig is going to have to cover this deficiency with the resting on-ballers plus Johncock and maybe Ladhams The options are thin.

 

[No 1 Draft Pick]

One of the things that we really lack in the forward line is real speed. Most of our forwards are slow and just don't seem to be able to get to the ball when it is punched clear.

Personally, I would like to see Johncock and Edwards given plenty of time in the forward line.

Agree. Thats why I thought we should have got Pearce in the PSD - even if meant delisting someone

 

[Stiffy_18]

I agree with that latter statement.

I'm sure that we must be the worst crumbing team in the comp, and have been for some years now.

That was a huge weakness once again aginst Port. So many more forward 50 entries than port, but another loss illustrates my point.

Craig is going to have to cover this deficiency with the resting on-ballers plus Johncock and maybe Ladhams The options are thin.

Schuback

 

[Mong]

I don't think Johncock is that good in this area. He is a very good overhead mark, can take a mark when he's body on body with his opponent and is good on the lead. Most of his goals come from these situations but I don't think crumbing is his forte.

McLeod is awesome. How often we see him arrive at the spillage at full pace and take it cleanly. It's a treat to watch.

Bode and Ladhams are probably our best bet but for various reasons we can't see to get the best out of them.

 

[rooboy]

Schuback

That's a good call.He also has a great left foot kick on him. If Jericho could get some aggression into his game he could be handy up forward. But both are pretty young and inexperienced and will no doubt take time.
But then it is going to take time for our whole team to improve.

What about a young Leigh Mathews?

 

[rooboy]

I don't think Johncock is that good in this area. He is a very good overhead mark, can take a mark when he's body on body with his opponent and is good on the lead. Most of his goals come from these situations but I don't think crumbing is his forte.

McLeod is awesome. How often we see him arrive at the spillage at full pace and take it cleanly. It's a treat to watch.

Bode and Ladhams are probably our best bet but for various reasons we can't see to get the best out of them.

I am not sold on Bode at all. He is what I am referring to as having no real speed. He has lots of guts and a good footy brain ,but every time he gets the ball he is tackled immediately or when he doesn't have it, he can't catch the bloke who does.

 

[jo172]

One of our greatest problems IMHO, we have not had a decent consistant crumber since the 97/98 days of Vardy/Bond/Modra to an extent. Stiffy could do the job but why waste him there!

I think our main hope for this spot should be Ladhams or Burton although Burton prefers to mark the ball himself and we all know Ladhams slight FIGJAM issue.