Toast Dale Thomas

[Blue and Blue]

So don’t question anything the club ever does, because the club always gets it right?

Surely you’re taking the piss here.

The club has done plenty of good things since 2015, but they’ve made some errors along the way.

Daisy’s career is now only over because we’ve fast-tracked his retirement. His form, and the leadership he has brought to the squad should have granted him another contract.

Again, unless there are you off-field aspects that have contributed to the decision, it looks like a poor one.

I am using sarcasm to make the point that if so many decisions are right lets trust the Daisy one also. Instead of jumping into conspiracy theories and crazy conclusions.
I think the club has asked a ton of hard questions in the last two years and have a look at the results.

 

[zeggie]

Based on anything other than ‘Because Carlton’?

At this stage the recruitment of McGovern looks poor, plus the appalling use of the rookie draft prior to last year.

We were dead last 2018 with 2 wins.

When a player like Mitch is keen to come, has age and ability on his side, that only costs us essentially 2x second rounders and 2 nothing picks, then you do that deal any day of the week.

Plenty of time for him to come good.

How long did it take Thomas, the subject of this thread and the one you're upset wasn't offered a contract, to come good?

 

[La Dispute]

I am using sarcasm to make the point that if so many decisions are right lets trust the Daisy one also. Instead of jumping into conspiracy theories and crazy conclusions.
I think the club has asked a ton of hard questions in the last two years and have a look at the results.

How is good form and providing a rare and valuable commodity in leadership a conspiracy?

 

[Blue__Balls]

Based on anything other than ‘Because Carlton’?

At this stage the recruitment of McGovern looks poor, plus the appalling use of the rookie draft prior to last year.

Why does the McGovern recruitment look poor? He's not the first player to come from a system where poor preparation was accepted into one where the standards are higher. He won't be the last. Happy to reserve judgement until we see how he fronts up in 2020.

 

[Blue and Blue]

How is good form and providing a rare and valuable commodity in leadership a conspiracy?

Fair point. I was speaking in general with the tone of many posts in mind.
Its not an attack on you per se.

I thought Bruce Doull had another year also but careers end. We won the flag in 87 which suggests it was the right call.

 

[La Dispute]

We were dead last 2018 with 2 wins.

When a player like Mitch is keen to come, has age and ability on his side, that only costs us essentially 2x second rounders and 2 nothing picks, then you do that deal any day of the week.

Plenty of time for him to come good.

How long did it take Thomas, the subject of this thread and the one you're upset wasn't offered a contract, to come good?

You’re talking about a guy brought in during the previous administration - Mitch was brought in by SOS.

Given our abundance of key forwards, there was no necessity to bring McGovern in, and given the strength of last years draft we would have been far better served banking the picks.

 

[Stamos]

Given our abundance of key forwards, there was no necessity to bring McGovern in

This doesn't make sense?
Unless you think McGovern is a key forward?

 

[Azzurro]

Fair point. I was speaking in general with the tone of many posts in mind.
Its not an attack on you per se.

I thought Bruce Doull had another year also but careers end. We won the flag in 87 which suggests it was the right call.

This is actually a great point. Struggling with the decision still, but the Doull example does make it a tad easier to bear.

 

[La Dispute]

Why does the McGovern recruitment look poor? He's not the first player to come from a system where poor preparation was accepted into one where the standards are higher. He won't be the last. Happy to reserve judgement until we see how he fronts up in 2020.

What rubbish.

McGovern’s poor fitness and mentality towards his conditioning have been flagged as issues at two clubs now, so the more likely explanation is he himself is currently lacking in professionalism.

 

[La Dispute]

This doesn't make sense?
Unless you think McGovern is a key forward?

Yes, McGovern plays as a key forward?

 

[Stamos]

Yes, McGovern plays as a key forward?

Only if he's covering for injured players. Not as his first position.

 

[Azzurro]

You’re talking about a guy brought in during the previous administration - Mitch was brought in by SOS.

Given our abundance of key forwards, there was no necessity to bring McGovern in, and given the strength of last years draft we would have been far better served banking the picks.

Hard to say yet, but I agree this is how we will all look at this trade in years to come, once we are in a position to put our revisionist glasses on.

Clearly the club decision makers (collectively) felt that the resources were better spent on him as a key piece of the best 22, than gathering more depth from the 2nd round of the draft that may have to wait in a rather long queue before they get a regular crack.

It's an inexact science, but there's clearly a plan and they are sticking to it. That is - maximise 1st round choices, gather depth from valuable trades or cheaper draft choices. We are now playing a medium-term game rather than the long game we were playing in 2015.