Dank Letter wont save players: Ings

[Malifice]

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/es...d-9604-last-year/story-fndv8gad-1226628993513

A DOCUMENT that Essendon says approved the use of banned drug AOD-9406 is unlikely to save players from lengthy bans, according to former anti-doping boss Richard Ings.

Ings, the former head of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority, says the letter wouldn't absolve the players of blame.

"Athletes are absolutely responsible for what they take," he said.

"Elite multi-million-dollar-contract professional athletes have a duty of care to their clubs and to their code and their fans, and that includes picking up the phone and calling ASADA, talking to the AFL Players Association or the AFL medical commission to check and double-check on what they take before they take it because getting it wrong has severe consequences."

Doc Larkins agrees:

Sports medico Dr Peter Larkins said today WADA and ASADA were not in the business of sending documents to approve the use of any supplement because their ingredients could not be guaranteed, and it would not have been hard to find out that AOD-9604 was off-limits.

"If you read the WADA code on the second page it is very clear that a drug that is not yet released for me to treat you with in my practice is prohibited at all times.

"What Richard says is correct. Otherwise you can go back to the East German regime and say the East German athletes shouldn't have been banned because they didn't know what they were taking when they were getting injected with anabolic steroids."

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/es...d-9604-last-year/story-fndv8gad-1226628993513

Not looking good for the Bombers at all.

 

[fishardansin]

Take six players out of that side and we'll still be flag favorites. What is the most important fact is that unlike Carlton we weren't fooled by razzle dazzle and built a team of hard working big tall mids and the best suite of KPPs in the league. Well this is true after we got rid of Knights and put a real Essendon person in charge.

 

[LordLucifer]

From an article in The Age today :

The World Anti-Doping Agency president says he would be ''extremely surprised'' if the international body had issued a letter approving use of the anti-obesity drug AOD-9604 at the centre of the Essendon supplements scandal.

Casting serious doubt over the private claims of sports scientist Stephen Dank that he gained written approval from anti-doping bodies for all substances administered to Essendon players, John Fahey added it was unheard of for WADA to directly approve individual requests of any kind. That responsibility, Fahey said on Thursday, would be for the relevant national anti-doping agency - the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority in the case of Essendon or any Australian sports club or league.

Oh dear, even if this supposed "hidden letter" does in fact exist, it ain't going to get them off the hook anyway.

Bombers were always going to be in trouble but now it got a lot worse for them methinks. Bummer really !!

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/wada-casts-doubt-on-dank-claims-about-antiobesity-drug-20130425-2ihjh.html#ixzz2RTV5o6ay

 

[Nankervis brothers]

Take six players out of that side and we'll still be flag favorites. What is the most important fact is that unlike Carlton we weren't fooled by razzle dazzle and built a team of hard working big tall mids and the best suite of KPPs in the league. Well this is true after we got rid of Knights and put a real Essendon person in charge.

Not too sure about bolded. You aren't currently flag favourites, and you certainly won't become flag favourites should six players be taken from the list.

Oh, and I should add that that real Essendon person may be partially responsible for any sanctions that come the Dons way if the s**t does hit the preverbal. 'Just saying' (as they say).

NOTE: if your post was ironic, ignore my reply. Cheers.

 

[jenny61_99]

Take six players out of that side and we'll still be flag favorites. What is the most important fact is that unlike Carlton we weren't fooled by razzle dazzle and built a team of hard working big tall mids and the best suite of KPPs in the league. Well this is true after we got rid of Knights and put a real Essendon person in charge.

Convenient for them to nominate 6 players to be the sacrificial lambs don't you think Fishy? For just that reason - 6 won't hurt us much. We could cope with that. 18 Essendon players suffered soft tissue injuries last year. 18. So they only used it on 6 and not the other 12? That is of course, what they were using it for.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

From an article in The Age today :



Oh dear, even if this supposed "hidden letter" does in fact exist, it ain't going to get them off the hook anyway.

Bombers were always going to be in trouble but now it got a lot worse for them methinks. Bummer really !!

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/wada-casts-doubt-on-dank-claims-about-antiobesity-drug-20130425-2ihjh.html#ixzz2RTV5o6ay

Forgot to quote an important bit...

But there is a potential loophole for Essendon given the manner in which Dank sourced the substance. Australian laws say that a person can use an unapproved substance if it is sourced from a licensed compounding chemist, as Dank did with AOD-9604.
Fairfax Media has obtained a letter written in February by WADA's science director, Doctor Olivier Rabin, to an Australian pharmaceutical supplier. In the letter, sent days after the Australian Crime Commission released its report into organised crime and drugs in sport, Doctor Rabin describes AOD-9604 as a ''new compound … still in clinical trials and … not approved yet for commercial distribution'', but the correspondence shows that the status of the substance has been unclear even for the international anti-doping body.
Fahey said of AOD-9604 on Thursday: ''It has been on the [prohibited] list … since the first of January 2011.''

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/wada-casts-doubt-on-dank-claims-about-antiobesity-drug-20130425-2ihjh.html#ixzz2RTWcihoj​

 

[TommyMcG]

Barrett pointed out this clause on TFS

11.2 Consequences for Team Sports
If more than two members of a team in a Team Sport are found to have committed an anti-doping rule violation during an Event Period, the ruling body of the Event shall impose an appropriate sanction on the team (e.g., loss of points, Disqualification from a Competition or Event, or other sanction) in addition to any Consequences imposed upon the individual Athletes committing the anti-doping rule violation.

http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/W...DP-The-Code/WADA_Anti-Doping_CODE_2009_EN.pdf

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

Take six players out of that side and we'll still be flag favorites. What is the most important fact is that unlike Carlton we weren't fooled by razzle dazzle and built a team of hard working big tall mids and the best suite of KPPs in the league. Well this is true after we got rid of Knights and put a real Essendon person in charge.

Last year they lost the following players to soft tissue injuries:

Hurley
Stanton
Zaharakis
Howlett
Crameri
Hibberd
Ryder
Hille
Dempsey
Reimers

Most of those are best 22. Lose 6 of them and they aren't getting near a flag.

 

[pjhad1]

Barrett pointed out this clause on TFS

11.2 Consequences for Team Sports
If more than two members of a team in a Team Sport are found to have committed an anti-doping rule violation during an Event Period, the ruling body of the Event shall impose an appropriate sanction on the team (e.g., loss of points, Disqualification from a Competition or Event, or other sanction) in addition to any Consequences imposed upon the individual Athletes committing the anti-doping rule violation.

http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/W...DP-The-Code/WADA_Anti-Doping_CODE_2009_EN.pdf

Interesting... They're ****ed

 

[pjhad1]

Someone mentioned a few pages back that we have to wait for the appeals process for any sanctions to be confirmed, not sure that is correct...
13.1 Decisions Subject to Appeal
Decisions made under the Code or rules adopted pursuant to the Code may be appealed as set forth below in Articles 13.2 through 13.4 or as otherwise provided in the Code. Such decisions shall remain in effect while under appeal unless the appellate body orders otherwise. Before an appeal is commenced, any post-decision review provided in the Anti-Doping Organization's rules must be exhausted, provided that such review respects the principles set forth in Article 13.2.2 below (except as provided in Article 13.1.1).

 

[fishardansin]

Barrett pointed out this clause on TFS

11.2 Consequences for Team Sports
If more than two members of a team in a Team Sport are found to have committed an anti-doping rule violation during an Event Period, the ruling body of the Event shall impose an appropriate sanction on the team (e.g., loss of points, Disqualification from a Competition or Event, or other sanction) in addition to any Consequences imposed upon the individual Athletes committing the anti-doping rule violation.

http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/W...DP-The-Code/WADA_Anti-Doping_CODE_2009_EN.pdf

 

[demon_dynasty13]

Barrett pointed out this clause on TFS

11.2 Consequences for Team Sports
If more than two members of a team in a Team Sport are found to have committed an anti-doping rule violation during an Event Period, the ruling body of the Event shall impose an appropriate sanction on the team (e.g., loss of points, Disqualification from a Competition or Event, or other sanction) in addition to any Consequences imposed upon the individual Athletes committing the anti-doping rule violation.

http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/W...DP-The-Code/WADA_Anti-Doping_CODE_2009_EN.pdf

Goodnight, Essendon.

Couldn't have happened to a more deserving team.

 

[GreatBradScott]

Take six players out of that side and we'll still be flag favorites. What is the most important fact is that unlike Carlton we weren't fooled by razzle dazzle and built a team of hard working big tall mids and the best suite of KPPs in the league. Well this is true after we got rid of Knights and put a real Essendon person in charge.

Not sure if ignorant or proud his team cheated the rules?

 

[fishardansin]

Not sure if ignorant or proud his team cheated the rules?

Neither. You'd have to be ignorant to say that.

 

[pjhad1]

Neither. You'd have to be ignorant to say that.

How much did carlton beat you by second time round last year? yep, i'm sure it's those big strong mids and hard working KPP that has had you flying for the first half of the last 3 seasons... #weadmittedusingAODs

 

[Corrosion]

Take six players out of that side and we'll still be flag favorites. What is the most important fact is that unlike Carlton we weren't fooled by razzle dazzle and built a team of hard working big tall mids and the best suite of KPPs in the league. Well this is true after we got rid of Knights and put a real Essendon person in charge.

Congratulations on your April Premiership. It sits well next to your April 2012 Premiership, too.

 

[mediumsizered]

Take six players out of that side and we'll still be flag favorites. What is the most important fact is that unlike Carlton we weren't fooled by razzle dazzle and built a team of hard working big tall mids and the best suite of KPPs in the league. Well this is true after we got rid of Knights and put a real Essendon person in charge.

The arrogance of Essendon supporters. You would have thought after last season they might have learnt to keep the lid on things, but clearly not. Who would have thought that after sitting on 8 wins after Round 9, they would only win a further 3 games for the season & finish in 11th spot on the ladder.

 

[fishardansin]

Congratulations on your April Premiership. It sits well next to your April 2012 Premiership, too.

We were runners up to West Coast for last years April premiership. What we did do though was expose Carlton for the soft bunch of posers it is. Everyone else used the same game plane and you guys struggled. Pity you can't show the loyatly to a club legend like we do.

 

[Jamie007]

Take 6 players out of your team and you still think you are flag favourites...

Ummm pretty hard to win a flag without making the finals... See you cant make the finals with 0 points and 0 percentage..
All your points will be wiped.. But goodluck with your theory..
God its gonna be great to watch you smug pricks get everything you deserve.. Couldnt happen to a more cockier team or bunch of supporters..

 

[KnaveyBlue]

... the best suite of KPPs in the league.

 

[fishardansin]

Take 6 players out of your team and you still think you are flag favourites...

Ummm pretty hard to win a flag without making the finals... See you cant make the finals with 0 points and 0 percentage..
All your points will be wiped.. But goodluck with your theory..
God its gonna be great to watch you smug pricks get everything you deserve.. Couldnt happen to a more cockier team or bunch of supporters..

Coming from Carl$cum that is funny.

 

[fishardansin]

 

[Corrosion]

We were runners up to West Coast for last years April premiership. What we did do though was expose Carlton for the soft bunch of posers it is. Everyone else used the same game plane and you guys struggled. Pity you can't show the loyatly to a club legend like we do.

How did the second meeting go? 96 points and you guys were using performance enhancing drugs. Haha. No wonder you got rid of Dank!

 

[Jamie007]

Coming from Carl$cum that is funny.

Atleast we accpeted what our club did was wrong..
You guys are not only in denial, but seem happy with the practices your club carried out on your own players.. Now you are spruiking how good your players are from using said "illegal" practices...
Enjoy the next 2-5 years..

 

[Malifice]

Australian laws say that a person can use an unapproved substance if it is sourced from a licensed compounding chemist, as Dank did with AOD-9604.

British Law makes personal use of everything from anabolic steroids and HGH to Peptides and so forth lawful. The law only prohibits importation and private sale.

British athletes still cant use them under the WADA code however.

AOD-9604 still isnt 'approved for therapeaudic use' in Australia notwithstanding one can lawfully buy it from a chemist here.

Anyone who took it, is ****ed.