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The other thing to keep in mind is how these 5 goal runs impact entire games. If you're playing against us, you'd NEVER count yourself out of the game. Even if you got 4,5,6 goals down, you'd always think there's a big chance we fall asleep and let you back in. Counter that against a side with decent structures...where you find yourself 5 goals down and think the game is done and dusted.

I want other clubs to not want to play us. At the moment, it's the exact opposite, and has been for a long time now.

I'm happy to stick with him, but you'd want to show some real improvement across the board.
 
He needs to put Williams back and Stocker and/or SPS in the middle for a start, Zac is having a 'mare atm, it would benefit all parties

When Dow and Setterfield play, play them where they play best, not on a HFF or wing. I’m over square pegs in round holes...

Just try something, anything, and stop appearing to play favourites. Doing the same thing every week just isn’t working for us
 
Magruder said:
Tempo is also arresting momentum when it’s with the opposition.
Tempo is dropping the handbrake when the immediate forward options are unfavourable.
It’s build up play to break the opposition down defensively and to allow you to set up defensively if it’s turned over.

It’s not just kamikaze or fast movement.

We do it sometimes and look very good, just not enough.
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My interpretation from Docs today is that Teague's belief is that you arrest momentum by scoring rather than defending. They want to go faster than play tempo footy when the opposition gets a run on but not full on Kamikaze.
 

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Accidental genius said:
I really like the way swans are able to lock down play and turn a game into a real grind. Not pretty to watch but if it gets you a win why not.

What’s your view on how a relatively young swans team can do this when required and we seem to struggle with it?
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I need to watch more of Sydney play. It's probably a bit to do with coaching and a bit to do with skills and physicality.

Here's what I see is wrong with us.

1. Our skills. Fogarty and Silvagni miss very easy goals and then there is Curnow running unpressured towards our forward 50 with Betts leading and having meters on his opponent and he misses him by a good 15 meters. We work very hard for our goals but our skills and lack of quality up forward is killing us. We run out of gas when we are 3 or 4 goals up when we should be running out of gas when we are 6 or 7 goals up because we don't have the forwards or the skills in the midfield to take our opportunities so our current game plan is getting killed by the quality of footballers we have running around.

2. We were nearly 5 goals up late in the third quarter and lost by nearly 3. I felt we were trying to lock the game down however we completely stopped scoring and they kept scoring. We had numbers behind the ball however if we were actually trying to play lockdown footy this is what was lacking. Pressure around the ball at stoppages was not there and it has to be if you are to play lock down footy. We weren't one on one at stoppages, we let continued to let them have lose players out the back and kept a shoot out structure. We needed to be one on one and we needed to have a few extra numbers on the outside at stoppages. Needed more tackling and pressure. We also moved it too quickly and directly when we won it back but when we did go wide and contested there weren't enough numbers at the contest to lock it up there.

3. Physicality. We still carry a few too many who just let the opposition through. Guys like SPS who just let the opposition through if they run at the contest. Can't let the ball out. Miss tackling is a bit of an issue however I feel more physical one on on in the midfield and more numbers around the ball will fix a lot of these issues with being unable to lock games down. We have a terrific intercepting backline if we just embrace more pressure around the midfield they will rebound and do the rest.

Our failing have a bit to do with our structure and tactics and who we have in the team. It's all well and good to want to play an attacking and open game but it wont work if you don't kick the goals and we don't. WE have to go inside 50 a lot, make a lot of mistakes and have a lot of forwards failing to score one goal. Guys like Casboult who don't get it, don't finish and don't apply pressure are a big problem. If you are working hard to score you will run out of gas and we don't make enough hay while the sun is shining for us.

I think our game plan with a better skilled team could work however the lock down part of thing requires some coaching work. Our midfield's structure when the game was there to be locked down was terrible.
 
gbatman said:
I need to watch more of Sydney play. It's probably a bit to do with coaching and a bit to do with skills and physicality.

Here's what I see is wrong with us.

1. Our skills. Fogarty and Silvagni miss very easy goals and then there is Curnow running unpressured towards our forward 50 with Betts leading and having meters on his opponent and he misses him by a good 15 meters. We work very hard for our goals but our skills and lack of quality up forward is killing us. We run out of gas when we are 3 or 4 goals up when we should be running out of gas when we are 6 or 7 goals up because we don't have the forwards or the skills in the midfield to take our opportunities so our current game plan is getting killed by the quality of footballers we have running around.

2. We were nearly 5 goals up late in the third quarter and lost by nearly 3. I felt we were trying to lock the game down however we completely stopped scoring and they kept scoring. We had numbers behind the ball however if we were actually trying to play lockdown footy this is what was lacking. Pressure around the ball at stoppages was not there and it has to be if you are to play lock down footy. We weren't one on one at stoppages, we let continued to let them have lose players out the back and kept a shoot out structure. We needed to be one on one and we needed to have a few extra numbers on the outside at stoppages. Needed more tackling and pressure. We also moved it too quickly and directly when we won it back but when we did go wide and contested there weren't enough numbers at the contest to lock it up there.

3. Physicality. We still carry a few too many who just let the opposition through. Guys like SPS who just let the opposition through if they run at the contest. Can't let the ball out. Miss tackling is a bit of an issue however I feel more physical one on on in the midfield and more numbers around the ball will fix a lot of these issues with being unable to lock games down. We have a terrific intercepting backline if we just embrace more pressure around the midfield they will rebound and do the rest.

Our failing have a bit to do with our structure and tactics and who we have in the team. It's all well and good to want to play an attacking and open game but it wont work if you don't kick the goals and we don't. WE have to go inside 50 a lot, make a lot of mistakes and have a lot of forwards failing to score one goal. Guys like Casboult who don't get it, don't finish and don't apply pressure are a big problem. If you are working hard to score you will run out of gas and we don't make enough hay while the sun is shining for us.

I think our game plan with a better skilled team could work however the lock down part of thing requires some coaching work. Our midfield's structure when the game was there to be locked down was terrible.
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Pretty much POTY for mine.
 
Blue and Blue said:
Good post gbatman ..as you so often do....but on Sydney I think that tiny ground is big factor. They cant do that certain thing anywhere else to the same effect.
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How did they beat Richmond at the MCG?
 
gbatman said:
I need to watch more of Sydney play. It's probably a bit to do with coaching and a bit to do with skills and physicality.

Here's what I see is wrong with us.

1. Our skills. Fogarty and Silvagni miss very easy goals and then there is Curnow running unpressured towards our forward 50 with Betts leading and having meters on his opponent and he misses him by a good 15 meters. We work very hard for our goals but our skills and lack of quality up forward is killing us. We run out of gas when we are 3 or 4 goals up when we should be running out of gas when we are 6 or 7 goals up because we don't have the forwards or the skills in the midfield to take our opportunities so our current game plan is getting killed by the quality of footballers we have running around.

2. We were nearly 5 goals up late in the third quarter and lost by nearly 3. I felt we were trying to lock the game down however we completely stopped scoring and they kept scoring. We had numbers behind the ball however if we were actually trying to play lockdown footy this is what was lacking. Pressure around the ball at stoppages was not there and it has to be if you are to play lock down footy. We weren't one on one at stoppages, we let continued to let them have lose players out the back and kept a shoot out structure. We needed to be one on one and we needed to have a few extra numbers on the outside at stoppages. Needed more tackling and pressure. We also moved it too quickly and directly when we won it back but when we did go wide and contested there weren't enough numbers at the contest to lock it up there.

3. Physicality. We still carry a few too many who just let the opposition through. Guys like SPS who just let the opposition through if they run at the contest. Can't let the ball out. Miss tackling is a bit of an issue however I feel more physical one on on in the midfield and more numbers around the ball will fix a lot of these issues with being unable to lock games down. We have a terrific intercepting backline if we just embrace more pressure around the midfield they will rebound and do the rest.

Our failing have a bit to do with our structure and tactics and who we have in the team. It's all well and good to want to play an attacking and open game but it wont work if you don't kick the goals and we don't. WE have to go inside 50 a lot, make a lot of mistakes and have a lot of forwards failing to score one goal. Guys like Casboult who don't get it, don't finish and don't apply pressure are a big problem. If you are working hard to score you will run out of gas and we don't make enough hay while the sun is shining for us.

I think our game plan with a better skilled team could work however the lock down part of thing requires some coaching work. Our midfield's structure when the game was there to be locked down was terrible.
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Excellent assessment. You'd hope our coaching panel would be seeing the same things, but I don't think they are as the fours areas you've highlighted are pretty fundamental: skills, endurance, strength, and tactics.

It's possible that our coaches rate the teams capabilities far higher than what our players are actually capable of producing, which is why we have failed all the big tests of late. The question is whether they persevere with the same approach or fundamentally change it.
 
Gavstar said:
My interpretation from Docs today is that Teague's belief is that you arrest momentum by scoring rather than defending. They want to go faster than play tempo footy when the opposition gets a run on but not full on Kamikaze.
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Bruce Lee always said attack is the best defence. "The way of the intercepting fist" Jeet Kune Do

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blue healer said:
Easy to answer your first question, just a little more than (what is it)? 26 games.

I get your concern about the second paragraph and even share it but consider this. We have had probably one of the toughest draws of any team so far and that's not eased by meeting the ladder leaders this week. With injuries we have had very little or no impact from Williams, Martin, McGovern, Fisher, JSOS, TDK and Newman not to mention Charlie. One of our captains is also in very ordinary form for whatever reason and the other has had some ordinary games as well. And last year was a lost year development wise.

You don't think we should cut him a little slack?
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No he doesnt get any slack imo because weve been through years of that with Bolton .
To give Teague similar leeway is nonsensical 6 years into a rebuild .
The players youve mentioned out which includes 5 forwards makes imo it even more nonsensical to want to get into shootout games especially against the better sides .
Even though we have been scoring freely .
Trying to beat the better sides in shootouts whilst down on some very good talent is just not going to happen or rarely imo .
Makes no sense to me maybe Teague just doesnt have the tactical know how to coach any other way than having us play what id call downhill skiing .

Teague is giving us evidence almost weekly through the sides actions that he isnt performing as we would hope .
We cant arrest momentum changes its his and the line coaches job to have the players drilled into being better defensively in these moments .
And we are failing in this area badly .

I dont see the point in continuing with him and the line coaches maybe with the exception of Amos after this year if we see the same patterns till seasons end .
 
Iamcarlton said:
No he doesnt get any slack imo because weve been through years of that with Bolton .
To give Teague similar leeway is nonsensical 6 years into a rebuild .
The players youve mentioned out which includes 5 forwards makes imo it even more nonsensical to want to get into shootout games especially against the better sides .
Even though we have been scoring freely .
Trying to beat the better sides in shootouts whilst down on some very good talent is just not going to happen or rarely imo .
Makes no sense to me maybe Teague just doesnt have the tactical know how to coach any other way than having us play what id call downhill skiing .

Teague is giving us evidence almost weekly through the sides actions that he isnt performing as we would hope .
We cant arrest momentum changes its his and the line coaches job to have the players drilled into being better defensively in these moments .
And we are failing in this area badly .

I dont see the point in continuing with him and the line coaches maybe with the exception of Amos after this year if we see the same patterns till seasons end .
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No point in responding to this, you have the coach out the door. Hope you get the one you want for the next two year stint.
 
blue healer said:
No point in responding to this, you have the coach out the door. Hope you get the one you want for the next two year stint.
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Yet you did no i dont have him out the door unless their isnt improvement shown in an areas of weakness .
14 games left will take it to 50 games under Teague in all of that tenure if there isnt improvement in team defense that shows his coaching as a failure .
And ample time to to make a call given the stage of rebuild .
If we are able to arrest these momentum shifts he ticks off on us being both offensively and defensively good and he stays imo .
We have an unaccountable midfield and poor forward pressure .
These are coach killer issues and atm we havent improved in either category under Teague tenure .
He has improved us offensively simply because he released the ridiculous structures and player positioning that Bolton had us playing under .
 
Iamcarlton said:
Yet you did no i dont have him out the door unless their isnt improvement shown in an areas of weakness .
14 games left will take it to 50 games under Teague in all of that tenure if there isnt improvement in team defense that shows his coaching as a failure .
And ample time to to make a call given the stage of rebuild .
If we are able to arrest these momentum shifts he ticks off on us being both offensively and defensively good and he stays imo .
We have an unaccountable midfield and poor forward pressure .
These are coach killer issues and atm we havent improved in either category under Teague tenure .
He has improved us offensively simply because he released the ridiculous structures and player positioning that Bolton had us playing under .
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Actually, splitting hairs I know, but it will be 40 games as coach not 50, no where in this World would I think that's enough unless he was to categorically lose the players support. The tail has been known to wag the dog before in this comp.
 
blue healer said:
Actually, splitting hairs I know, but it will be 40 games as coach not 50, no where in this World would I think that's enough unless he was to categorically lose the players support. The tail has been known to wag the dog before in this comp.
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50 - 11 in 2019 17 last year and full season this year 22 will make 50 .
Ample time to have us playing better defensively given he wasnt coming in at the start of a rebuild .
Personally hope he is coach next year means we will have improved the areas of concern rest of this year .
But if we cant improve in these critical areas rest of this year i would expect the club to move him on some assistant coaches as well and find a coaching panel that brings out the best of the side both offensively and defensively .
 

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Iamcarlton said:
50 - 11 in 2019 17 last year and full season this year 22 will make 50 .
Ample time to have us playing better defensively given he wasnt coming in at the start of a rebuild .
Personally hope he is coach next year means we will have improved the areas of concern rest of this year .
But if we cant improve in these critical areas rest of this year i would expect the club to move him on assistant coaches and find a coaching panel that brings out the best of the side both offensively and defensively .
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Was not appointed until before the last game so therefore was not our coach. Still had his trainer wheels on for that other ten. :D
 
Watching his press conference today he getting more comfortable -- suspect he be getting a lot of media training but was an easier watch than some devious Thursday's -- thought he might go full hulk after 4 minutes of denying cripps back injury -- though cripps didn't seem to appreciate Jones cannon Into him
 
I've been thinking about what it will take for DT to keep his gig beyond this season. There are probably 2 KPI's other than a positive win/loss ratio: addressing the 5+ goal momentum swings, and significant signs of improvement of 2-3 young players from the list of "underachievers" in our ranks.

If he's up to it in a senior coaching gig, these are pretty fair achievable targets.
 

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