David Warner

[western royboy]

Back to Warner, Crash Craddock spilled the beans on how the Team Management became aware of it last night. The way I was told was that Micky Arthur was giving Watson some feedback on where he needs to improve and it could have been taken as sticking it to him from some quarters. Watson has just about had enough of the Captain and the Coach so he says back to Arthur, "that's fine I'll take it on board, but I'm interested to know what you are going to Warner after what happened last night?" Micky looks at him dumfounded "what happened last night?"
The cat was out of the bag. If Arthur hadn't have prodded Watson and pissed him off there is a fair chance nothing would have happened. Watson was fair from dobbing him in. The "culture" that Clarke and Arthur talk about is seriously fractured.

 

[peternorth]

even rodney malcolm hogg has spoke negatively about clarke now (in relation to warner issue and everything else that's happened)

 

[Hayesuel]

Rodney Hogg ripping into Clarke here

http://www.sen.com.au/audioplayer/Audio/Rodney-Hogg-fires-up-on-Harf-Time/8276

 

[peternorth]

Rodney Hogg ripping into Clarke here

http://www.sen.com.au/audioplayer/Audio/Rodney-Hogg-fires-up-on-Harf-Time/8276

thanks mate.

 

[frankrizzo]

Back to Warner, Crash Craddock spilled the beans on how the Team Management became aware of it last night. The way I was told was that Micky Arthur was giving Watson some feedback on where he needs to improve and it could have been taken as sticking it to him from some quarters. Watson has just about had enough of the Captain and the Coach so he says back to Arthur, "that's fine I'll take it on board, but I'm interested to know what you are going to Warner after what happened last night?" Micky looks at him dumfounded "what happened last night?"
The cat was out of the bag. If Arthur hadn't have prodded Watson and pissed him off there is a fair chance nothing would have happened. Watson was fair from dobbing him in. The "culture" that Clarke and Arthur talk about is seriously fractured.

So i wonder who else knew about the warner incident before watto let it slip?

I hope clarke was as clueless about it as mickey.

 

[The_Reaper]

So i wonder who else knew about the warner incident before watto let it slip?

I hope clarke was as clueless about it as mickey.

It might be interesting in that the players were more willing to tell Watson than Clarke or Arthur.

 

[Beth]

Too bad it didn't come out after the official ECB statement that their man had done nothing wrong. A few heads may have rolled then. Actually no heads would have rolled but it would have been wryly amusing.

 

[Run n Spread]

Back to Warner, Crash Craddock spilled the beans on how the Team Management became aware of it last night. The way I was told was that Micky Arthur was giving Watson some feedback on where he needs to improve and it could have been taken as sticking it to him from some quarters. Watson has just about had enough of the Captain and the Coach so he says back to Arthur, "that's fine I'll take it on board, but I'm interested to know what you are going to Warner after what happened last night?" Micky looks at him dumfounded "what happened last night?"
The cat was out of the bag. If Arthur hadn't have prodded Watson and pissed him off there is a fair chance nothing would have happened. Watson was fair from dobbing him in. The "culture" that Clarke and Arthur talk about is seriously fractured.

Happens across all organisations. Someone puffs their chest out and invariably wants to make a statement. They go on hyper alert so when someone expendable does something of minor consequence and is nailed as a message to everyone. Inevitably someone less expendable does something far more serious and management is pushed into a corner between not really wanting to act or been shown up as not been serious first time around. equivocations are made and a half arsed compromise made.

Exhibit a) If missing homework is worth a test match punching an opposition player pissed at 2am is worth at least 2. Straight up if those are the standards set. Yes Warner may not be selected for the 1st test yet management has left the door ajar. Only 7 batsmen and someone may have a shaky knock in the tour games. So this weird penalty is put in place where Warner loses first dibs on the spot that isn't in concrete by any means but is told match simulation is coming his way just in case.

Imagine how popular Clarke will be in some quarters if Watson misses or Khawaja plays the tour matches and is made first reserve yet again? All these grand proclamations about culture are built on a shoddy foundation that could shake mid tour.

As for the bolded it is a bad look it took days, yet Arthur and Clarke can't be across every detail of what the players get up to in their private time. They are adults after all. But yes when it was found out they needed to be far more decisive. Also if the players can't be trusted to act professionally when the coach and captain are indisposed clearly the cultural change isn't working.

 

[The_Reaper]

Happens across all organisations. Someone puffs their chest out and invariably wants to make a statement. They go on hyper alert so when someone expendable does something of minor consequence and is nailed as a message to everyone. Inevitably someone less expendable does something far more serious and management is pushed into a corner between not really wanting to act or been shown up as not been serious first time around. equivocations are made and a half arsed compromise made.

Exhibit a) If missing homework is worth a test match punching an opposition player pissed at 2am is worth at least 2. Straight up if those are the standards set. Yes Warner may not be selected for the 1st test yet management has left the door ajar. Only 7 batsmen and someone may have a shaky knock in the tour games. So this weird penalty is put in place where Warner loses first dibs on the spot that isn't in concrete by any means but is told match simulation is coming his way just in case.

Imagine how popular Clarke will be in some quarters if Watson misses or Khawaja plays the tour matches and is made first reserve yet again?

As for the bolded it is a bad look it took days, yet Arthur and Clarke can't be across every detail of what the players get up to in their private time. They are adults after all. But yes when it was found out they needed to be far more decisive.

Forget the homework.

Consider it a player believing that he doesn't have to listen to simple instructions from the coach and captain.

 

[Run n Spread]

Forget the homework.

Consider it a player believing that he doesn't have to listen to simple instructions from the coach and captain.

Fine agree. OK let's say players take note. The penalty is handed down and the culture desperately needs to change and these are the acceptable standards from now on. Clearly punching someone while hammered runs contrary to those standards and if one infraction is punishable by missing a test so is the other. By having a bet each way it looks really inconsistent.

If you are going to make threats and statements not following through each time consistently can undermine all original efforts.

 

[King Elvis]

A good Captain and a good Coach wouldn't have allowed the homework thing to happen.

In the end, it sounds like a stitch up designed to target a certain person.

It might be interesting in that the players were more willing to tell Watson than Clarke or Arthur.

Because Clarke is a great batsman, but a shit Captain.

He wasn't with the team when this all went down anyway.

 

[Miqar_Baqfhied]

The "Katich" incident

The "Boat" Incident

"Homeworkgate"

Clarke has few friends within the playing group and not much respect as a bloke amongst most as a result. Sad but true.

He had a spit with Andrew Symonds too.

Think his problem is he's a douche bag. Sure an amazing bat, but the negative impact of having his as captain/co-selector in a team that cant stand him might even be outweiging his contribution withthe willow, especially considering he is injured so much these days.

My questions:

Do you think Hussey would still be playing if Clarke wasnt captain? I think yes. Maybe he would of taken on the captaincy, cos he opitimises hard work, team first attitude and consistency - the things that made the Aussie team so great for so long.

Would Ponting be playing still, and playing well? Probably not, but maybe.

Would Symonds have retired later? I think yes

Would our top order be in better shape? Yes - Katich would be around or Warner would of been f*cked off and repalced by a compotent and level headed bat like Rogers earlier. Hell, I think Katich would of made a great captain.

Would Watson be playing better? I think yes. Opening the bat making scores, where he belongs

Would the likes of incompotent favourites such as Hughes, Wade, The Big Show and Finch, who have proven to be complete flops, be getting game after game? Possibly not.

Would there be a culture of respect and comradery rather than arrogance and ill-discipine? Maybe

 

[frankrizzo]

Fine agree. OK let's say players take note. The penalty is handed down and the culture desperately needs to change and these are the acceptable standards from now on. Clearly punching someone while hammered runs contrary to those standards and if one infraction is punishable by missing a test so is the other. By having a bet each way it looks really inconsistent.

If you are going to make threats and statements not following through each time consistently can undermine all original efforts.

I posted the quote earlier from mickey, he did specifically say the homework incident was a clear line in the sand moment for ALL players, based on that i agree that the warner punishment looks very light.

if it was a player like watson (who clearly isn't one of the cool kids at the back of the bus) then i think punching an opponent would be a test career ending incident.

 

[western royboy]

He had a spit with Andrew Symonds too.

Think his problem is he's a douche bag. Sure an amazing bat, but the negative impact of having his as captain/co-selector in a team that cant stand him might even be outweiging his contribution withthe willow, especially considering he is injured so much these days.

My questions:

Do you think Hussey would still be playing if Clarke wasnt captain? I think yes. Maybe he would of taken on the captaincy, cos he opitimises hard work, team first attitude and consistency - the things that made the Aussie team so great for so long.

Yes he probably would but it'd not a given, there were significant family reasons, but let's just add that it certainly didn't help

Would Ponting be playing still, and playing well? Probably not, but maybe.

No, Ponting was toast, he played on won the Shield and left with nothing to prove

Would Symonds have retired later? I think yes

Symonds knew in a 50/50 call he wasn't gunna get the nod

Would our top order be in better shape? Yes - Katich would be around or Warner would of been f*cked off and repalced by a compotent and level headed bat like Rogers earlier. Hell, I think Katich would of made a great captain.

Katich is firmly in the belief that Clarke deliberately whiteanted him so much so that in the end NSW didn't offer him a contract which in effect forced his retirement from Australian Cricket. Katich would have made an outstanding captain of Australia.

Would Watson be playing better? I think yes. Opening the bat making scores, where he belongs

More than likely

Would the likes of incompotent favourites such as Hughes, Wade, The Big Show and Finch, who have proven to be complete flops, be getting game after game? Possibly not.

No

Would there be a culture of respect and comradery rather than arrogance and ill-discipine? Maybe

Under Kat or Hussey they would have had more respect for the bloke than they do for Clarke, this is the crux of the problem.

 

[BORK]

Rodney Hogg ripping into Clarke here

http://www.sen.com.au/audioplayer/Audio/Rodney-Hogg-fires-up-on-Harf-Time/8276

Someone know more about that Clarke and Ponting dislike stuff Hogg alluded to early on?

 

[peternorth]

guys

you are probably aware but there's a warner profile special being shown on foxtel.

 

[Miqar_Baqfhied]

guys

you are probably aware but there's a warner profile special being shown on foxtel.

Oh the lulzzzz

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

Warner 2 - Arthur 0

 

[sherb]

Apparently Davey considers himself too important to turn out for his grade team, opting for a private net session and then heading off to the races.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/story/677061.html

And here's the outcome of today's meeting with the CEO of Cricket NSW, where he copped a whopping suspended one match ban.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/story/677535.html

The guy's a goose.

 

[Cleavy]

and that session netted him a duck.

 

[PrideOf]

Apparently Davey considers himself too important to turn out for his grade team, opting for a private net session and then heading off to the races.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/story/677061.html

And here's the outcome of today's meeting with the CEO of Cricket NSW, where he copped a whopping suspended one match ban.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/story/677535.html

The guy's a goose.

Ding, ding, ding ... we have a winner. Look, Warner is probably the biggest dickwad to play cricket since Harbajahan Singh, but why would he bother bring professional and staying on the straight and narrow when the authorities choke every time they hand down a punishment? You can almost say it's fair enough he carries on like a tool ... because they let him be one.

Warner is everything that's wrong with the modern-day cricketer. Earns $3m plus playing 40-ball innings in India, gets a few sponsorships and doesn't give a shit about anything else, baggy green included./

 

[jiphoc]

The guy deserves a break. Once in a while. Then considering the ashes are on next and the Saffas after that I don't see how anyone should be getting on his back. He is human.

 

[Mateyman]

Warner is everything that's wrong with the modern-day cricketer. Earns $3m plus playing 40-ball innings in India, gets a few sponsorships and doesn't give a shit about anything else, baggy green included./

He cares a fair bit more about the baggy green than his IPL IMO.

 

[muckypup]

Its dissapointing he didnt score in the Ryobi. Something not quite right.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Its dissapointing he didnt score in the Ryobi. Something not quite right.

Slow pitch, poor stroke?