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Eastuagh, its called percieved bias, try reading the original thread where i mentioned it, then get back to me. I cant be botherd debating with someone who goes over the same arguments all the time and doesnt bring anything new to the topic (is there an echo in here somewhere?)

Michelle, my background Greek? HAHAHAH

That made me laugh, couldnt be more Celt if i wanted too. BTW on my fathers side, im 7th generation Australian if thats any help. Mums a Scot though
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I dont know what else you want me to say. Mark withdrew with an injured knee, after he had represented us in the previous ties and helped to win the Cup. That withdrawl was vilified by the whole of his teamates and Captain. People still refuse to accept your qoute again

"unavailable excluding a real injury"

is it so hard to understand that the injury WAS real. His Davis Cup squad choose not to believe it, dont worry about the three months of the season AFTER the tie that he missed of the tennis season recovering from that injury, as it wasnt real. Or so it seems most people want to think anyway.

Elt, its not so much Roche sitting with Rafter, as the posistions he held. Again its acase of percieved bias,insider trading if you like. Its a case of being seen serving two masters and not siding one against the other. Roche failed to do that.

Basically its nothing against Pat or Tony Roche, but the facts are that Roche should not have been in the posistion where he was previously seen to be helping Marks game (as he had done leading into that US Open) only to show the obvious bias he had (and understanbly so) in the Final where he sided with his main coaching priority (Pat).

This is getting convoluted, ive never said Mark was blameless in all this, it does take two (or more) to tango (or play tennis, more so doubles!) i just thought that to much was being blamed at his feet, when there were faults in the Davis Cup camp side as well.

Hope that clears up where i stand on it all.



[This message has been edited by Grendel (edited 13 December 2000).]
 
Another good post Grendel.

I agree that Phillipoussis probably gets more blame that he should. We'll just agree to disagree on the Roche thing
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Hopefully with a new captain/coach and less history of personal conflicts it can be sorted out in time for next year.

Now could you please pass me a souvlaki
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grendel, what I posted is the truth, and unlike you, most others would agree. he is a big wuss and compared to hewitt he is a nothing ! and mark my words, WILL NOT WIN MORE GRAND SLAMS THAN HEWITT !

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Essendon - The greatest club with the greatest coach in the league ! Carlton- absolute hypocrites who accuse others of being cheats only for it to be found later that carlton are the "serial salary cap breachers" as quoted by our president, haha
 

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hey sydney fan,

i wouldnt get too cocky if i was you.

you support the most ******ed team in the competition,

seriously how could you give up your first draft pick for a collingwood hack!
 
iron mike, you have an obsession with that term, i reckon you are one ! and obviously not a true australian, if hewitt is one of them then what is philippoussis the wuss !

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Essendon - The greatest club with the greatest coach in the league ! Carlton- absolute hypocrites who accuse others of being cheats only for it to be found later that carlton are the "serial salary cap breachers" as quoted by our president, haha
 
Hey guys,
does anyone know why Tood Woodbridge didn't play in the final with Mark in the doubles? Was it due to injury or what?
Thanks...

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Grendel,

Glad I made you laugh!!!

BTW, did you read today's paper. Says everything I tried to say. Philly has not committed himself fully and that is holding him back from being a top player. Hewitt at aged 19, is ranked higher than Philly aged 24?

NICK THE PIE MAN

Todd's wife was due to give birth to their baby.

Michele
 
"Philly has not committed himself fully and that is holding him back from being a top player."

Firstly, I don't think that Grendel was arguing who was the better player. Secondly, since when does commiting to Davis Cup make you a better player?? Sampras, Agassi... the list goes on. The media doesn't attack them in America for not commiting, yet our media portrays Mark as a total prick. Thirdly, you made a comparison of Hewitt's age as opposed to Mark's- what for? What does that have to do with the argument? Some people mature later, Mark may just not be good enough- big deal! We are arguing the appropriateness of the treatment he receives- not his talent.

Now you've also discussed Woodbridge .... what about all the other times he's "gone missing"? He has been constantly pulling out of the Davis Cup for the last three years! A bad word from the media? NO! Branded "Un-australian"
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- Told "to go home" by blokes in the local pub?
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- NO!.. i've got a major problem with that BTW- and yes I am an Greek immigrant
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- but I've already discussed this issue (un australian etc) ad nasuem on other threads so I wont go into it further here. But I can assure you that my background has got nothing to do with my stance on the issue - the unfair treatment Mark receives.

The perceived inequality in the team, harsh treatment, along with the double standards are the problems I have, and I echo Grendel's sentiments thorughout the thread. I agree with him and you, that Flip has made some problematic mistakes, but his "teamates" and the media attack and portray him too harshly. Compare this to when someone like Woodbridge, who unexpectedly and spontaneously decides to pull out of a tie without any reasoning whatsoever, doesn't even get a mention by either the media, players and/or coaches. One set of rules for Mark- different set of rules for the rest of the team!
 
Michelle, it was never about who the better player was (though to me, Mark is far and away the most naturally talented Australian thats played in years, probably since Newcombe) it was about injustices being unfairly lablelled at him. Westy summed it up for me. One rule for one, different rules for the rest.

Shouldnt that be the absolute antithesis of what an Australian team should be? After watching the swimming 4X4 at the Olympics, thats the type of feeling id love to see again in the Davis Cup. At least i hope to one day see it again soon. Tall poppy syndrome will hopefully one day disappaer from this Country forever. Then maybe we can all support and cheer ALL our players, whatever the origins or personalities may be.

Geez I sound like a politician!
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Cheers
 
During Wimbeldon. Philly was overheard by numerous players saying he was having a holiday not playing Davis Cup in a few weeks. Then a few days later he comes out saying he is injured, although no sign or mention of an injury before.
I can understand why the other players were upset.
Rafter and Hewitt are ranked higher than Philly anyway, so they shoul dbe the 1st to be picked. Also they will walk over hot coals to play all matches for Australia.
Philly has shown over numerous seasons that he is fickel.
 

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