Dearest Port Supporters...

[ExpectToWin]

Also- I take major exception to the last comparison of your long and short term history. YOU DO NOT HAVE A LONG HISTORY. YOU ARE NOT THE PORT ADELAIDE MAGPIES FOOTBALL CLUB. Why do you have a hard time understanding this? I think as the Adelaide Football Club is a generic conglomerate of the SANFL we should be able to lay claim to every premiership ever one by every club within said competition.

Absolutely correct we are the Port Adelaide Football Club.

The Port Adelaide Football Club does however have a long history.

The Port Adelaide Football Club moved to the AFL, from the SANFL in 1997

In the history of the Port Adelaide Footballl club there are 34 SANFL premierships and 1 AFL premiership.

For what its worth, this does NOT mean we have had more success that say the Adelaide Crows. The premiership count that matters is 2:1.


Technically speaking, the PORT ADELAIDE MAGPIES FOOTBALL CLUB you speak of is the name of a SANFL club that was formed becuase the SANFL wanted a Port Adelaide presence in the competition.

It worked for the Mighty Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club. A proud football club with over a hundred years of history, 30 odd premierships and loathed by everyone outside of that club for their success.

Wrong.

The Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club is not the name the club played under.

That is the name of the SANFL club that I mentioned earlier in the post.


And by the way, why are people discussing Ports low crowds. We lost this week so we should be talking about how soft we are. We dont discuss bad crowds unless we win at home.

 

[xamol]

Absolutely correct we are the Port Adelaide Football Club.

The Port Adelaide Football Club does however have a long history.

The Port Adelaide Football Club moved to the AFL, from the SANFL in 1997

In the history of the Port Adelaide Footballl club there are 34 SANFL premierships and 1 AFL premiership.

For what its worth, this does NOT mean we have had more success that say the Adelaide Crows. The premiership count that matters is 2:1.


Technically speaking, the PORT ADELAIDE MAGPIES FOOTBALL CLUB you speak of is the name of a SANFL club that was formed becuase the SANFL wanted a Port Adelaide presence in the competition.




Wrong.

The Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club is not the name the club played under.

That is the name of the SANFL club that I mentioned earlier in the post.


And by the way, why are people discussing Ports low crowds. We lost this week so we should be talking about how soft we are. We dont discuss bad crowds unless we win at home.

WTF

Wow, that's news to me.

 

[Asgardian]

straw man argument

If you only had a brain?

If you did, you'd know what I was talking about

 

[Damp Squarie]

And by the way, why are people discussing Ports low crowds. We lost this week so we should be talking about how soft we are.

Quick; buy this man a beer.

Did anyone really expect a high crowd?
Saturday afternoon, live on TV, overcast, Ports choking form whenever there's rain around.
I wasnt surprised.

What did surprise me though was Choko throwing in the towel on national television...'The finals are OFF' when he should've said the Power is off'

How embarrassing being a supporter of a coach who gives in so easily.
I actually pity Pork supporters.

 

[tribey]

DT you are smarter than this

Port have a smaller supporter base so a 10k no show rate is a far greater percentage of supporters than Adelaide.

Port no show rate yesterday was AT least 40 % whereas Adelaide usually sits about the 18-20% mark.

Check the figures below - but again, I acknowledge this is a problem, which is why I have stated previously that we need to grow our membership base and work on the no-shows. It is a problem. Haven't said any different.

What I have also said, is that Adelaide has a no-show problem too - a fact acknowledged by the club itself.

Now is it AAMI (you're an advocate for a city stadium aren't you?), is it live against the gate, is it poor timeslots, is it cost, is it apathy? Who knows? But no-shows affect both clubs.

It's not a problem limited to Port, as those who repeatedly post about our crowds would have you believe.

You cant use simple numbers to try and explain it you have to go by percentages. It is ridiculously flawed logic to say that Port having a big non attendance rate is okay because Adelaide have the same even though Adelaide has a third more members.

FFS, not again.

Where did I ever say that Port's non-attendance rate was OK because Adelaide's was the same or similar? Is the text I'm typing going through some filter that appears on your screen as something different?

The point I have made - quite clearly and repeatedly - is that the members-to-non attendance black hole, for both clubs, is a PROBLEM.

Apologies if I seem patronising by having to add colour and bold and underline and other bells and whistles to the font, but for the love of god, how about you actually break with Bay 13 tradition and actually read what I've been saying.

You're all so eager to assume the worst, you're reading (or rather, not reading) an entire subtext that simply doesn't exist.

How can 4 out of 10 people not using their tickets for the Richmond game be the same as 2 out of 10 crows supporters not doing so ???

Let's actually analyse the figures.

AAMI Stadium official capacity - 51,515

PAFC (33,918 members as of 28/05/08). 2008 home attendances.

R01 vs Geelong - 28,206
R04 vs Brisbane - 25,205
R06 vs St. Kilda - 20,517
R09 vs Sydney - 25,013
R11 vs Carlton - 29,240
R13 vs Richmond - 20,923
Total of 6 matches - 149,104 = 24,850 or 73.26%

AFC (47,995 members as at 16/4/08, you'd think this would be closer to 2007's mark of 50000+ by now, but let's work with what we've got.). 2008 home attendances.

R02 vs West Coast - 38,162
R03 vs Port Adelaide - 45,524
R05 vs Fremantle - 39,554
R07 vs North - 41,898
R08 vs Melbourne - 35,649
R10 vs Essendon - 41,897
R12 vs Hawthorn - 44,559
Total of 7 matches - 287,243 = 41,034 or 85.49%

A 12% gap based on Port's figures to the end of May, and Adelaide's figures to mid-April - with both clubs experiencing attendance swings. Port yet to have the home Showdown to boost the figures a touch.

While it's not the same, it is undeniable that both clubs have a problem with members to attendance no-shows. A problem. Not, oh it's OK for Port because the Crows this or that. Both clubs have a problem - hence Port's initiatives to appeal to a younger crowd and Adelaide's ticket exchange initiative.

Keywords: Problem, both.
File not found: "OK"

 

[Geoffa32]

Difference is the Crows can sustain it as they are covering the break even figure for match ticket sales.

Port are not. To me its not about having a loud crowd to support the team. Its about ensuring both teams are strong financially, long term. Making a loss delivering your main product is not good for long term solvency.

A quick look at North's situation shows that no matter how good you are between the goal posts, the AFL only care about what is in your Income Statement. Sad but true.