Health Death

[MrsEddieBetts]

I get scared and anxious about dying when I'm happy, like leading up to my wedding. The idea of dying before I've accomplished everything that I want to do, or before I can see my nephew grow up, scares the shit out of me. But actually being dead doesn't scare me, it is what it is.

 

[M Malice]

nice one. but it goes further than that doesn't it? not even the metaphorical blackness can explain non existence.

 

[exe ex machina]

nice one. but it goes further than that doesn't it? not even the metaphorical blackness can explain non existence.

I'll explain later. Am about to give the mcdonalds test a go.

 

[GWBogan]

When you die, you die.

 

[Mofra]

http://newtoninstitute.org/

His books are fascinating

 

[Procrastinator35]

Epicurus argued that death is nothing to us, the living, as it's arrival begets our cessation.

Socrates argued that life is but a preparation for death.

Plato argued that the soul is released from it's corporeal entombment, before travelling through the river of forgetfulness (Styx) prior to it's being reincarnated.

The Buddhists & Egyptians have entire treatises dedicated to it.

For mine, death is one of the 3 great mysteries & journeys....The Western world seems paralyzed by it, & our continued tradition of honoring the dead with tombstones & graveyards is one of the last great Medieval traditions we still adhere to....More by dint of accident I'd say.

Sorry, but you can't talk about an invisible phenomenon, without getting philosophical about it.

Death is ultimately a natural part of life & is inescapable to us all....We've all got it coming....So Prepare well for it.

 

[Xtreme]

When you die, you die.

Ivan Drago said the same about Apollo Creed

I get scared and anxious about dying when I'm happy, like leading up to my wedding. The idea of dying before I've accomplished everything that I want to do, or before I can see my nephew grow up, scares the shit out of me. But actually being dead doesn't scare me, it is what it is.

This concerns me as well, more the fact of dying alone also.

My relatives (uncles, aunts) are at the age where they are slowly passing away..... my parents are not too far off the same age as them. I'm dreading when their time comes, honestly.

 

[exe ex machina]

Or.....you could just ask Death himself
No more mystery.

 

[IschenkoUBeauty]

The 'heaven' theory is really only to comfort people in bereavement - that death is not final, and that something better awaits. I've never taken it seriously but there is no harm whatsoever in having that comfort there for people to fall back on when they need it the most.

I'm melancholy towards the idea of death for myself....I don't want to die but I'd much rather it happen to me first than say, my parents or siblings.

Sometimes death can be more of a relief than anything. Anyone who has ever seen someone they love fight cancer or similar to the very end may say that they were relieved when the loved one passed because they were suffering that badly...no more pain and finally at rest and peace.

I've also for some strange reason never cried at a funeral or when someone I know dies.

 

[TheMightyEagles]

To me, death is more of a process than a destination. Despite our best efforts, our bodies slowly begin to deteriorate from the day we leave the womb.

The thing that scares me most is loss of mental capacity. I'm not even talking about dementia, but moreso the slow decline in abilities that begins after 30. It's really noticeable in law when some brilliant lawyers turn 50 and then you realise they have become completely dependent on their younger associates, as they just cannot function at the highest level anymore.

 

[exe ex machina]

nice one. but it goes further than that doesn't it? not even the metaphorical blackness can explain non existence.

Non-existence versus existence.

Existence is matter. There can be no "nothing" in existence. All things are bound to all things. The Universe itself is limitlessly of matter.

Non-existence would be a state of no-matter whatsoever. There can be no such thing as non-existence within the scope of a limitless universe of matter.

As in, corporeal things MUST always be part of existence. But once the matter that makes a being dies, then there is non-existence. A state outside and beyond the bounds of the universe. Herein is where people talk of heaven/hell and the soul.

However...the soul is merely a by-product of the mind, and the mind is merely a projection of the brain. As in, when the actual matter that makes up the brain dies, then there is no such thing as a "mind", thus no such thing as a "soul". Hence, the metaphorical pitch-blackness of non-existence.

A brain can only work when a certain specific matter, arranged in a certain specific way, exists. Once that matter is either obliterated, or broken apart from that specificity, then there can be no sensation of existence, no stimulus, no recognition of matter, no longer connected to the network.

I.e., there are no ghosts, no souls, no minds, floating around in some other dimension ... especially say your own mind/soul. For it only existed as a projection when the person that was you had a body and brain and lived on a planet. But once you yourself die, and your brain-matter rots away, then whomever was "you" ceases to exist. All your thoughts, mind, soul, only existed when it had a body/brain. It cannot keep existing once there is no longer that body/brain-matter.

 

[Sir Deadly]

I'm not afraid of death nor do I welcome it. It will happen when it happens and there's nothing I can do to stop it so why be scared?

I like to believe that there is something after death but who knows, we'll find out when we die, or if there's nothing I suppose we won't.

 

[TheMightyEagles]

I.e., there are no ghosts, no souls, no minds, floating around in some other dimension ... especially say your own mind/soul. For it only existed as a projection when the person that was you had a body and brain and lived on a planet. But once you yourself die, and your brain-matter rots away, then whomever was "you" ceases to exist. All your thoughts, mind, soul, only existed when it had a body/brain. It cannot keep existing once there is no longer that body/brain-matter.

I am religious, but when I'm really honest with myself I agree with this to some extent. It's the circle of life.

Even during our lifetimes, what counts as "consciousness" is (a) in a constant state of flux and (b) highly dependent on your level of cognitive function. When you are a baby or an old person in a nursing home, you have nothing more than the basic human desires (e.g. food, safety and bonding). All those interests like watching or playing footy, cooking, having sex or whatever only exist for a subset of our lives. And they change as well as we mature. Plus we all know what is it like to have no consciousness, as its the case for us before we are born or when we are sleep or lose consciousness from, for example, a knock to the head.

We cannot know if there are souls or whatever because it is not empirically verifiable. But we do know for certain that consciousness, and therefore our sense of self, can be extinguished.

 

[Freofalcon]

I'm not necessarily afraid of dying. I'm more worried about how I will die.

Dying of old age in my sleep would be my death of choice.

Dying horribly of a disease or accident isn't high on my list.

 

[ioppolo]

Reincarnation.

 

[crownie]

not fear for me about the thought of dying however I'm sure that might change once i gain things to lose like falling in love and starting a family.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Or.....you could just ask Death himself
No more mystery.

Herself....A common misconception....The 'grim-reaper' or 'skeleton-lady' is actually feminine.

As we are born & become manifest through the feminine, we are also taken by her.

The fates too are feminine, so too the oracle, the soul & wisdom herself.

 

[Gough]

Typical woman, always spoiling things for the rest of us.

 

[exe ex machina]

Herself....A common misconception....The 'grim-reaper' or 'skeleton-lady' is actually feminine.

As we are born & become manifest through the feminine, we are also taken by her.

The fates too are feminine, so too the oracle, the soul & wisdom herself.

Incorrect

 

[Procrastinator35]

Incorrect

Riveting reposte.

 

[exe ex machina]

Riveting reposte.

Well it is.

 

[Mofra]

When I die I'd like to go peacefully, in my sleep, like my grandfather.



And not screaming and terrified..... like his passengers.

 

[worbod]

There's nothing after death. You're finished when the body/brain is. It's a bit weird to comprehend not existing anymore but it's more logical and the evidence supports it over floating around magically doing **** knows what forvever.

I'm pretty sure there is at least one thing after death; it's called rigor mortis.

 

[exe ex machina]

All of you, dont let your contempt of religion lead you to disbelieve in God, or ruin the relationship you still innately have with God.

 

[Procrastinator35]

All of you, dont let your contempt of religion lead you to disbelieve in God, or ruin the relationship you still innately have with God.

Your presence is required over in the God thread death, where uppity atheists are threatening to extinguish the last vestiges of the sacred....Where only a trip to the under-world can cure them of their delusions.

When I die I'd like to go peacefully, in my sleep, like my grandfather.

And not screaming and terrified..... like his passengers.