Define irony....

[blynd_freddie]

In the past, to define irony, I have painted a picture using a scene from Con Air…. with "Sweet Home Alabama" by Lynyrd Skynyrd playing in the background actor Steve Buscemi in the role of Garland Greene asks, Define irony: a bunch of idiots dancing around on a plane to a song made famous by a band that died in a plane crash.

As is now floating on the North-Kanga and Carlton boards “discussions” suggesting Marc Murphy wants out.

I don’t believe he will myself but…… if he was to come to Brissy my use of the above quote would quickly become defunct.

If there was any truth to this so called rumour, where would he go? I’d think the Pies.

Any passing Blue supporters who read this, if I wanted to troll I’d be on your thread.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Murphy was a kangas supporter before he was drafted.

He'll stay at Carlton though, he's got a good head on his shoulders.

 

[blynd_freddie]

Murphy was a kangas supporter before he was drafted.

He'll stay at Carlton though, he's got a good head on his shoulders.

The old man obviously played for the Roys but also short stints at both North and South Melbourne.

 

[notting18]

I think the "good head on his shoulders" is a good comment about the guy from what i've seen/heard. He rejected certain big bucks, etc from us to stay in melbourne to be with his family - as much as that is a bad thing for us, it shows the guy has strong family values.

He will be at Carlton next year. He is young enough to not be "desperate" for success just yet, by the time Vossy has rebuilt that club he'll be a 28 y/o club captain.

 

[LuckyLuke]

I think the "good head on his shoulders" is a good comment about the guy from what i've seen/heard. He rejected certain big bucks, etc from us to stay in melbourne to be with his family - as much as that is a bad thing for us, it shows the guy has strong values.

He will be at Carlton next year. He is young enough to not be "desperate" for success just yet, by the time Vossy has rebuilt that club he'll be a 28 y/o club captain.

That's a bit ironic, isn' it?

 

[Grimreepah]

I doubt it's true, and even if it is true I think Carlton will convince him stay, and even if they don't, I don't think he'll want to go to Brisbane, and if he did... you beauty!!!!!!!!

 

[notting18]

That's a bit ironic, isn' it?

All intended

 

[John]

I think the "good head on his shoulders" is a good comment about the guy from what i've seen/heard. He rejected certain big bucks, etc from us to stay in melbourne to be with his family - as much as that is a bad thing for us, it shows the guy has strong values.

He will be at Carlton next year. He is young enough to not be "desperate" for success just yet, by the time Vossy has rebuilt that club he'll be a 28 y/o club captain.

So kids who fly the coop do not have strong values? Not sure I agree with you there. I have told my son, when he is able to as he has an apprenticeship to finish, to get overseas, do work in another country and see the world. If he is not inclined then at least move somewhere other than Brisbane and see what goes on elsewhere. I think Marc Murphy got it wrong. His folks were only a couple of hours away on a plane if he needed to see them and he would have had experienced independent living and a new lifestyle that would have nourished him as a young man. If my son moved away I would never ever think he suddenly lacked values. When I asked Luey about moving to Brisbane he said he loved it as it was a great big adventure. I am sure he has strong values as well.

 

[Grimreepah]

This would rip the heart out of Carlton. Their supporters are not even willing to contemplate that it might be true.

 

[notting18]

So kids who fly the coop do not have strong values? Not sure I agree with you there. I have told my son, when he is able to as he has an apprenticeship to finish, to get overseas, do work in another country and see the world. If he is not inclined then at least move somewhere other than Brisbane and see what goes on elsewhere. I think Marc Murphy got it wrong. His folks were only a couple of hours away on a plane if he needed to see them and he would have had experienced independent living and a new lifestyle that would have nourished him as a young man. If my son moved away I would never ever think he suddenly lacked values. When I asked Luey about moving to Brisbane he said he loved it as it was a great big adventure. I am sure he has strong values as well.

When you consider the fact draftees are 17/18, it shows independance, maturity, etc to move away from home/family/friends at that age - although it should also be noted that 99% do not have a choice (other than not play football). However, it is not like Murphy refused to leave melbourne - but rather prefered it as he still could have technically gone anywhere after he entered the draft (althoug carlton was all but a certainty).

In my intial post i started off typing "family values" but that sounded slightly over the top. It does however show that he is a guy who forms strong relationships with friends and family that mean he is a lot less likely to leave carlton now that he is settled.

 

[irel]

I think the "good head on his shoulders" is a good comment about the guy from what i've seen/heard. He rejected certain big bucks, etc from us to stay in melbourne to be with his family - as much as that is a bad thing for us, it shows the guy has strong values.

It also shows that he has a comfort zone that he was not prepared to challenge, it shows reluctance to embrace change, it also indicates a dependant personality rather than one that seeks independence, it also shows a guy who fears new challenges and experiences, a guy who is not mature to break the connections to mother, a guy who although perceived as a leader does not have the leadership skills to role model to others. It also showed a guy who feared success and settled for the comforts of mediocrity as at the time Brisbane was perceive the team more likely to experience success. Do I need go on...

The guy has character flaws and if the rumour is true than I would not be surprised. However I do not believe he will leave Carlton.

 

[notting18]

It also shows that he has a comfort zone that he was not prepared to challenge, it shows reluctance to embrace change, it also indicates a dependant personality rather than one that seeks independence, it also shows a guy who fears new challenges and experiences, a guy who is not mature to break the connections to mother, a guy who although perceived as a leader does not have the leadership skills to role model to others. It also showed a guy who feared success and settled for the comforts of mediocrity as at the time Brisbane was perceive the team more likely to experience success. Do I need go on...

The guy has character flaws and if the rumour is true than I would not be surprised. However I do not believe he will leave Carlton.

OK fine im changing it back to the original "family values" - lets not forget though that this was a preferance made as a 17/18 year old. I am 19 so just out of that group and know plenty of friends who moved away from home, and plenty who didn't - to say because he prefered to stay in his home town as he made a large transition in his life is a character flaw i have to disagree with.

 

[John]

When you consider the fact draftees are 17/18, it shows independance, maturity, etc to move away from home/family/friends at that age - although it should also be noted that 99% do not have a choice (other than not play football). However, it is not like Murphy refused to leave melbourne - but rather prefered it as he still could have technically gone anywhere after he entered the draft (althoug carlton was all but a certainty).

In my intial post i started off typing "family values" but that sounded slightly over the top. It does however show that he is a guy who forms strong relationships with friends and family that mean he is a lot less likely to leave carlton now that he is settled.

If he does move from Carlton to say the Roos would you think that he has "strong values" still?

 

[BigCat2]

It also shows that he has a comfort zone that he was not prepared to challenge, it shows reluctance to embrace change, it also indicates a dependant personality rather than one that seeks independence, it also shows a guy who fears new challenges and experiences, a guy who is not mature to break the connections to mother, a guy who although perceived as a leader does not have the leadership skills to role model to others. It also showed a guy who feared success and settled for the comforts of mediocrity as at the time Brisbane was perceive the team more likely to experience success. Do I need go on...

The guy has character flaws and if the rumour is true than I would not be surprised. However I do not believe he will leave Carlton.

This is in contrast to Sam Sheldon, then.

 

[notting18]

If he does move from Carlton to say the Roos would you think that he has "strong values" still?

Depends completely on his reasoning - I am basing my opinion of him on more than just his decision not to move

 

[irel]

to say because he prefered to stay in his home town as he made a large transition in his life is a character flaw i have to disagree with.

We are talking about competitive professional team sports. One of the most publicly demanding and challenging activities in modern society.
(use Kewel as a benchmark)
If you desire desperately to succeed at the top and you choose the comforts of home ahead of success than I interpret that as a character flaw.

 

[John]

It also shows that he has a comfort zone that he was not prepared to challenge, it shows reluctance to embrace change, it also indicates a dependant personality rather than one that seeks independence, it also shows a guy who fears new challenges and experiences, a guy who is not mature to break the connections to mother, a guy who although perceived as a leader does not have the leadership skills to role model to others. It also showed a guy who feared success and settled for the comforts of mediocrity as at the time Brisbane was perceive the team more likely to experience success. Do I need go on...

The guy has character flaws and if the rumour is true than I would not be surprised. However I do not believe he will leave Carlton.

Funny that you should post that irel. When he decided to head to the draft I posted something along the lines that if I had been his father I would be kicking him down the highway to get some experience in life. I had Carlton posters telling that he cared for his family and my post showed that I did not care about mine etc etc. I think they lost the point.

 

[POBT]

His decision not to come to Brisbane reveals nothing about his values, good or bad. He is not strong for choosing to stay in Melbourne, nor is he weak or deficient for knocking back Brisbane.

He's not a mummy's (or daddy's) boy because of his decision. Regular involvement with family is an integral part of some people's lives. The family home is often the best place for an individual to be. I flew the coop at 17 and never regretted it. But I suffered with 3 years of terrible uni marks (and almost daily hangovers!) before I worked my life out. I strongly believe that staying at home (which wasn't an option) would have been better for me. It would be different for others.

Each individual's circumstances are different. I have never begrudged Marc Murphy the opportunity to remain close to home. The fact is, it was his own talent and hard work that put him in the unique position of being able to dictate where he would be drafted.

 

[irel]

This is in contrast to Sam Sheldon, then.

Absolutely. Sheldon has demonstrated a desire to succeed at any cost. He has indicated through his actions he will do anything to achieve it.

I believe in "actions speak louder than words"

 

[POBT]

Absolutely. Sheldon has demonstrated a desire to succeed at any cost. He has indicated through his actions he will do anything to achieve it.

He also had no guarantees that he would be drafted a year later if he opted out. While Carlton may have made all the promises to him, the reality is that he was one knee reco away from missing the 2008 draft all together. I saw it more as a "bird in the hand" type scenario than an indication of any particular strength of character.

 

[notting18]

We are talking about competitive professional team sports. One of the most publicly demanding and challenging activities in modern society.
(use Kewel as a benchmark)
If you desire desperately to succeed at the top and you choose the comforts of home ahead of success than I interpret that as a character flaw.

Kewell HAD to move away for success no doubt about it. Murphy had a choice to play at Brisbane who were on the way down at that time(remember when he was drafted) or carlton who if they had done things properly would be up towards the 8 - they aren't but who knows he could've slipped to the pies and would be in the top 4 and at a melbourne team. The point is Murphy had equal chances of success at either home or a foreign place. Most people would take the opportunity to have both success and a familar environment at sucha young age!

 

[irel]

I have never begrudged Marc Murphy the opportunity to remain close to home.

I do not begrudge him his decision to choose Carlton over Brisbane. He made it and he will live with the decision, just as Buckley has to live with his for the rest of his life.

 

[notting18]

His decision not to come to Brisbane reveals nothing about his values, good or bad. He is not strong for choosing to stay in Melbourne, nor is he weak or deficient for knocking back Brisbane.

He's not a mummy's (or daddy's) boy because of his decision. Regular involvement with family is an integral part of some people's lives. The family home is often the best place for an individual to be. I flew the coop at 17 and never regretted it. But I suffered with 3 years of terrible uni marks (and almost daily hangovers!) before I worked my life out. I strongly believe that staying at home (which wasn't an option) would have been better for me. It would be different for others.

Each individual's circumstances are different. I have never begrudged Marc Murphy the opportunity to remain close to home. The fact is, it was his own talent and hard work that put him in the unique position of being able to dictate where he would be drafted.

People misunderstood my initial post - so i have changed it slightly now. The guy has good character (basing this on plenty of reasons beyond his draft choice), but his decision to stay in melbourne, etc when tied in with other things i know about the guy means that he is not likely to leave the club the groomed him so far.

 

[John]

OK fine im changing it back to the original "family values" - lets not forget though that this was a preferance made as a 17/18 year old. I am 19 so just out of that group and know plenty of friends who moved away from home, and plenty who didn't - to say because he prefered to stay in his home town as he made a large transition in his life is a character flaw i have to disagree with.

Don't get me wrong mate. I am not being a critic of his choice. I would not be a critic of what ever you choose either and if it has come over that way my apologies. I think in the end it is what one expects from learning about life in general. My point is that he shows no better values, be they family or whatever, just because he did not come up to Brisbane. Someone mentioned Sheldon. The kid is obviously keen to experience life outside his own comfort zone. Good for him. Good for Murphy as well. I just do not think that values of any moral kind come into it.

FWIW my family to a lessor degree have been adventurers. My parents twice migrated to Australia. My old man was a 15 year old merchant marine and was later conscripted to the British Army and went around the world. My family consequently relate to going of and getting out there. Hell a 70 year old Aunty has just been up Machu Pichu. With that in the bloodstream I relate more to Sam and Luey than I do to Murphy.

 

[POBT]

I do not begrudge him his decision to choose Carlton over Brisbane. He made it and he will live with the decision, just as Buckley has to live with his for the rest of his life.

But you link that to perceived character flaws?

As I said, I just don't see the connection between his decision and his character.