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Tigers to grant Deledio free rein to shake taggers with a goalward shift


Michael Gleeson, Wonthaggi
February 8, 2007


THE education of Brett Deledio would result in the former No. 1 draft pick being a surprise full-forward at times this year, Richmond's coaching director Brian Royal said yesterday.

Looking to the example of players such as Nathan Buckley and Michael Voss, Deledio will be pressed into more versatile roles, playing deep in the forward line to prevent annoying tags from quietening the emerging star.

Deledio, who will continue to predominantly play a Nigel Lappin-type role shifting between defence and the midfield, is still learning in his third year how to overcome the close attention of opposition teams.

"I think particularly if he is getting tagged he will go deep forward and isolate him in the goal square," Royal said. "If teams want to play a player on him, he would be pretty hard to match out of the goal square one out.

"If you look at Nathan Buckley, Nathan Brown, Michael Voss — players that have continually been tagged over the years — you take them to the goal square. If they can't get them in the midfield, they will get them out of the goal square because of their natural brilliance one-on-one".

The move to isolate a player in the goal square is far from a revelation, but it is interesting that it should be applied to a player in only his third year and is a measure of how important the player is already to the Richmond structure.

"Brett is different to some of the other stars of the competition," Royal said. "Scotty West, for example, has got to touch it 35 times to have a real impact on the game, where Brett can touch it 20 times but have an equal effect."

"He naturally pushes himself; he wants to be the best player in the competition. "We often say to him — don't let others stop you from being the player you want to be. 'I think at some AFL clubs some players try to, whether it is jealousy or whatever, put people down and stop them being the player they could be.

"We tell Brett all the time — if you want to run at the front of the group every time, run at the front of the group every time. It is not a selfishness.

"On his talent and attributes alone, he could become a very, very good player but he isn't relying on those gifts; he is looking for ways to improve himself."

Deledio is quietly spoken and internalises his ambitions in the game. He has set goals on and off the field this year for the first time with assistant coach Craig McRae.

"You don't want to preach that to the world, but I would like to play every game and hopefully as a side we can play finals … I think every player wants to be the best he can be," Deledio said.

"I definitely received more attention last year; in my first year I was pretty much allowed to sit out on a wing and get it kicked to me, take a couple of bounces and kick it inside 50.

"But for most of last year I received a fair bit more attention and that made it harder to get possession, but that is part of it, I suppose. I have to learn to live with it."



i think the move could be a timely one...as its only going to get tougher for deledio this year, and with his acceleration, he'll be unstoppable on a lead.
 
....as its only going to get tougher for deledio this year, and with his acceleration, he'll be unstoppable on a lead.

Not so sure. Deledio is very fast over 100m, but at FF, it is speed over the first 10-15m that counts. I saw Fev run him down last year over that distance with ease. What I didn't like about that article was the suggestion to get him away from taggers. Taggers are a part of the game, and you just need to deal with it, not avoid it. Murph has received heavy tags from his second game, and Gibbs wil probably be tagged in round 1. There are tactics to shake a tag, other than run away into the forward line. :)
 
Not so sure. Deledio is very fast over 100m, but at FF, it is speed over the first 10-15m that counts. I saw Fev run him down last year over that distance with ease. What I didn't like about that article was the suggestion to get him away from taggers. Taggers are a part of the game, and you just need to deal with it, not avoid it. Murph has received heavy tags from his second game, and Gibbs wil probably be tagged in round 1. There are tactics to shake a tag, other than run away into the forward line. :)

i think you'll find thats what they mean...to shake the tag...he wont get rid of his taggers because he's our number 1 onballer and they will always go to him first...thats why we will deploy him down forward to shake the tag for 15-20mins and then throw him back onto the ball
 

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Not so sure. Deledio is very fast over 100m, but at FF, it is speed over the first 10-15m that counts. I saw Fev run him down last year over that distance with ease. What I didn't like about that article was the suggestion to get him away from taggers. Taggers are a part of the game, and you just need to deal with it, not avoid it. Murph has received heavy tags from his second game, and Gibbs wil probably be tagged in round 1. There are tactics to shake a tag, other than run away into the forward line. :)
Mein gott, I actually agree with your post. You raise some constructive points. I'd be teaching Deledio how to shake an existing tag rather than having him run away and hide form one.
 
If Gibbs gets tagged in Rd 1,its a sad indictment of your on ballers

seth
 
i think you'll find thats what they mean...to shake the tag...he wont get rid of his taggers because he's our number 1 onballer and they will always go to him first...thats why we will deploy him down forward to shake the tag for 15-20mins and then throw him back onto the ball

But the tagger is just going to follow him, so why bother. Being tagged is a part of the game, and there are skills that players and other team-mates can use to break a tag or make it less effective. Running away from the midfield is a victory to the opposition. :)
 
Mein gott, I actually agree with your post. You raise some constructive points. I'd be teaching Deledio how to shake an existing tag rather than having him run away and hide form one.

Exactly. Some players with a heap of talent have never learnt how to deal with tags. Campo is a classic example, and Nick Stevens to a lesser extent. Many young midfielders coming through have obviously been taught ways to negate a tag from an early stage, and view it as a skill to develop rather than an annoyance. Deledio needs to develop that skill if he's going to take the next step. :)
 
yes i understand where u are coming from...but having a tagger in backline is just like having a normal opponent and yes if he does run away from the midfield it IS a victory to the opposition...but if he goes forward and pinch hits 2 or 3 goals then that sort of evens things out
 
But the tagger is just going to follow him, so why bother. Being tagged is a part of the game, and there are skills that players and other team-mates can use to break a tag or make it less effective. Running away from the midfield is a victory to the opposition. :)

I think the idea of having spells in the forward line has as much to do with midfield rotation. have him up there instead of spell on the bench. I think it would work.

One day parrot your boys might have a good enough selection of midfielders to engage a worthwhile midfield rotation - it's only 2 or 3 more spoons away for you. :D
 
There are tactics to shake a tag, other than run away into the forward line. :)

its a pretty common method across the board for many of the afl's best players, i have seen judd go forward on numerous occasions. obviously there are ways to beat a tagger in the midfield but i doubt there are many players that would be able to do it without a spell at other parts of the ground at some stage, if that spell can also have a few goals thrown in as a bonus then the opposition coach needs to rethink things.
 
I think the idea of having spells in the forward line has as much to do with midfield rotation. have him up there instead of spell on the bench. I think it would work.

One day parrot your boys might have a good enough selection of midfielders to engage a worthwhile midfield rotation - it's only 2 or 3 more spoons away for you. :D

Having "spells" in the forward line is OK, but the article suggests something more permanent than that. Murph often rests in the forward pocket and acts as a crumber. You'll find Gibbs spending a lot of time on the HF flank when being rested, but he has played a lot of football there and is a natural medium forward and a brilliant kick. The Blues midfield rotation now, has so much more depth and talent compared to Tiges, which will be an advantage i.e. it will be hard to put heavy tags on Murph, Gibbs, Simmo, Stevens etc,etc. You really only have Deledio who we'd consider putting a tag on. The rest of your midfield are pretty meek. :)
 

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Not so sure. Deledio is very fast over 100m, but at FF, it is speed over the first 10-15m that counts. I saw Fev run him down last year over that distance with ease. What I didn't like about that article was the suggestion to get him away from taggers. Taggers are a part of the game, and you just need to deal with it, not avoid it. Murph has received heavy tags from his second game, and Gibbs wil probably be tagged in round 1. There are tactics to shake a tag, other than run away into the forward line. :)

Who cares what you think.
 
Having "spells" in the forward line is OK, but the article suggests something more permanent than that. Murph often rests in the forward pocket and acts as a crumber. You'll find Gibbs spending a lot of time on the HF flank when being rested, but he has played a lot of football there and is a natural medium forward and a brilliant kick. The Blues midfield rotation now, has so much more depth and talent compared to Tiges, which will be an advantage i.e. it will be hard to put heavy tags on Murph, Gibbs, Simmo, Stevens etc,etc. You really only have Deledio who we'd consider putting a tag on. The rest of your midfield are pretty meek. :)

Murph often rests in the forward pocket? You really are an idiot aren't you. You really have NFI whatsoever do you? How many games has "murph" actually played? Oh that's right. About 9. Bloody hell.

Khan, can you please follow the lead of ODN and ban opposition supporters from posting utter crap on our board.
 
But the tagger is just going to follow him, so why bother. Being tagged is a part of the game, and there are skills that players and other team-mates can use to break a tag or make it less effective. Running away from the midfield is a victory to the opposition. :)

And that's why carlton have won 3 spoons in 5 years. Running away from the opposition is an artform at craptus oval.
 
Having "spells" in the forward line is OK, but the article suggests something more permanent than that. Murph often rests in the forward pocket and acts as a crumber. You'll find Gibbs spending a lot of time on the HF flank when being rested, but he has played a lot of football there and is a natural medium forward and a brilliant kick. The Blues midfield rotation now, has so much more depth and talent compared to Tiges, which will be an advantage i.e. it will be hard to put heavy tags on Murph, Gibbs, Simmo, Stevens etc,etc. You really only have Deledio who we'd consider putting a tag on. The rest of your midfield are pretty meek. :)


we need to bring in 22 timmy flemings when we play the blues, this force must be stopped!!!!!
 

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Murph often rests in the forward pocket? You really are an idiot aren't you. You really have NFI whatsoever do you? How many games has "murph" actually played? Oh that's right. About 9. Bloody hell.

Khan, can you please follow the lead of ODN and ban opposition supporters from posting utter crap on our board.

The topic is about midfielders being used as forwards and shaking tags based on an interesting article. Do you have anything constructive to add, or just your usual personal abuse. :)
 
Murph often rests in the forward pocket? You really are an idiot aren't you. You really have NFI whatsoever do you? How many games has "murph" actually played? Oh that's right. About 9. Bloody hell.

Khan, can you please follow the lead of ODN and ban opposition supporters from posting utter crap on our board.

13 games.
 
Having "spells" in the forward line is OK, but the article suggests something more permanent than that. Murph often rests in the forward pocket and acts as a crumber. You'll find Gibbs spending a lot of time on the HF flank when being rested, but he has played a lot of football there and is a natural medium forward and a brilliant kick. The Blues midfield rotation now, has so much more depth and talent compared to Tiges, which will be an advantage i.e. it will be hard to put heavy tags on Murph, Gibbs, Simmo, Stevens etc,etc. You really only have Deledio who we'd consider putting a tag on. The rest of your midfield are pretty meek. :)

Well where to start?

Firstly, a very predominant statement in the article early on is:

"Deledio, who will continue to predominantly play a Nigel Lappin-type role shifting between defence and the midfield, is still learning in his third year how to overcome the close attention of opposition teams."

You yourself suggest we don't have much depth in midfield so I can't see him spending long periods up forward. And IIRC Deledio played plenty of junior football up forward very successfully so it's not like it's like putting him on the bench.

Next up, I think you are massively overrating the Blues midfield. Is adding one more (albeit quality) first year player suddenly making them world beaters? They got pumped consistently over the last couple of years, I don't suddenly see them requiring 6 taggers from the opposition. Just because our midfielders aren't the "big" names the Blues midfield claims to have, doesn't make them worse. Recent results would strongly indicate the exact opposite.
 
The topic is about midfielders being used as forwards and shaking tags based on an interesting article. Do you have anything constructive to add, or just your usual personal abuse. :)

You're an expert in constructive, objective, unbiased, commentary are you? The way you crap on about knowing how deledio plays and how he should shake a tag is nothing short of laughable. "Murph often rests in the forward pocket". After playing only 13 games. What a load of crock.
 
Well where to start?

Firstly, a very predominant statement in the article early on is:

"Deledio, who will continue to predominantly play a Nigel Lappin-type role shifting between defence and the midfield, is still learning in his third year how to overcome the close attention of opposition teams."

You yourself suggest we don't have much depth in midfield so I can't see him spending long periods up forward. And IIRC Deledio played plenty of junior football up forward very successfully so it's not like it's like putting him on the bench.

Next up, I think you are massively overrating the Blues midfield. Is adding one more (albeit quality) first year player suddenly making them world beaters? They got pumped consistently over the last couple of years, I don't suddenly see them requiring 6 taggers from the opposition. Just because our midfielders aren't the "big" names the Blues midfield claims to have, doesn't make them worse. Recent results would strongly indicate the exact opposite.


Parrot overating the blues??? See a shrink Jezza. That's never the case. Parrot believes carlton have won the past 3 flags. The spoons are only an illusion. A bit like the holocaust. It never really happened you know.
 

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