delisted ?

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

I think it will be like this:

Retired:

Wiggins
Hadley

Delisted:

Fisher
Tiller
Johnson
Browne

 

[blueboy25]

Are we certain Browne is out of contract?

I thought he was drafted in 2007 (normal 2 year deal) which takes him to the end of 2009.

He then signed a 2 year deal to take him to the end of 2011.

 

[Edddddie19]

I'm pretty sure i'm correct with the below info but if i'm not then feel free to point me in the right direction!

Looking at it from the rookie list up... Essentially we can only retain 3 rookies out of our current list...

Cachia, Jaryd
Casboult, Levi
Dare, Joseph
Donaldson, Josh
Ellard, David
Garlett, Jefferey
Labi, Peter
Tuohy, Zach
White, Simon

Of this list Labi and Tuohy are excluded as we can retain them through scholarship and international rookie means which leaves us with 7 to choose from. Of course we can expect Garlett to be upgraded with White and Ellard also possibilities to be upgraded (especially Ellard who can't be re-rookied without letting him go through the rookie draft again).

So expecting Ellard and Garlett to be upgraded we need to look at the 5 remaining and say who are we prepared to give up or alternatively upgrade?

For mine White will be upgraded as he only fell out of the seniors due to injury. If he isn't upgraded it would force us to delist 2 rookies to which i think Dare, Casboult and Cachia are all too valuable to our future to delist. Assuming White is upgraded it leaves us 4 people for 3 spots to which i'm expecting Donaldson to be delisted.

Now if you count that we have 2 new players in (Collins, Laidler) and 3 upgrades (Garlett, Ellard, White) and 3 picks in the draft (18, 33, 41) that's 8 senior positions that need to be available.

Already we have 4 players out to make way in (Jacobs, Grigg, Hadley, Wiggins) so require 4 more spots on our list. We can all make guesses of who is on that list of 4 to go but i would imagine we are looking at these pool of players...

Austin, Mark
Anderson, Joe
Browne, Steven
Fisher, Brad
Tiller, Caleb
Johnson, Chris
O'Keefe, Rhys

Now the part that doesn't make sense to me was why we would take pick 67 for Sauce if we didn't intend to use the pick. Sure we could use it as an upgrade but we would have had enough picks for upgrades anyway. My thoughts at the moment are that we intend to take a pick in the ND with it or maybe the PSD. Either way, if we intend to use it we need another player delisted which means we need 5 more players off our list.... 6 if we want to use pick 70 as well!

Seems to be quite a lot of player attrition in such a short space of time which has me a little confused with our plans at this stage...

Really well written and thought out post, Yubby.

I agree with all sentiments, and also am querying the logic behind taking pick 67 from Adelaide. My thoughts originally was that it was to stuff over Adelaide a little bit (as this would have been their 3rd live pick - they've since come out and said they're only using 2 live picks now, the rest rookie upgrades) after they stuffed us around by trading out the compo pick.

Putting a bit more thought into it though, maybe we took the pick as assurance for a higher 4th pick in the draft if one of the following happened:
- if we were to strike an 11th hour trade to deal Thornton or Setanta out for a 7-8th round pick.
- if a player came back from the off-season out of shape.
- if another retirement was pending (just speculation).

With that said, I still believe we will only use 3 'live' picks and upgrade the three rookies most deserving (Garlett, Ellard & White), with Donaldson being the unlucky one.

If you believe the rumour coming out of the bullants B&F (that Fisher, Johnson & Tiller are the ones to be delisted after the first lodgement) and factoring in the use of our 1st and 2nd round picks and rookie upgrades, we will need to delist one more player (As Yubby said - it's either risking Casboult, Dare or Cachia will be there in the rookie draft vs. the 'last player' on our primary list).

Does any one know of the contract situation of Browne? I believe he'd be the next cab off the rank, with maybe O'Keeffe the other option with the belief he would make it back on to us via the rookie list.

 

[Edddddie19]

Are we certain Browne is out of contract?

I thought he was drafted in 2007 (normal 2 year deal) which takes him to the end of 2009.

He then signed a 2 year deal to take him to the end of 2011.

This is my thought exactly. He made a pretty big splash in 2008 - so maybe this led to us extending his original contract by a year? This is about the only way I believe he would be out-of-contract. Would love some confirmation from some one in the know!

 

[thylacine60]

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=368412

Says 15 signed a 2 year deal in 2009.

 

[TOPBLUE_25]

Does any one know of the contract situation of Browne? I believe he'd be the next cab off the rank, with maybe O'Keeffe the other option with the belief he would make it back on to us via the rookie list.

If O'keeffe isnt contracted then id say we might delist him and rookie him if we do want to use 4 picks in the draft.

 

[Monkey King]

Personally I don't see anything in keeping Anderson or Browne. Neither have impressed me much, especially Anderson.

Personally I couldn't disagree with you more over Stevie Browne. Reckon he could be a very solid AFL player, but admittedly I once saw something in Damien Lock. Not sure why everyone is jumping off this kid so quick.

 

[thylacine60]

personally i couldn't disagree with you more over stevie browne. Reckon he could be a very solid afl player, but admittedly i once saw something in damien lock. not sure why everyone is jumping off this kid so quick.

+ 1.

 

[blueboy25]

+ 1.

+2

still think he will be a handy player for the blues

 

[Kades_Dad]

+ 3.

 

[Salaryman]

- 2.

 

[Stamos]

Not sure why everyone is jumping off this kid so quick.

Could be his effort in the North game?
Fact is, we have to cut players.
There are huge wraps on O'Keefe (I personally have never seen him play). Austin could be the CHB we are yearning for. Thornton and Setanta are handy enough as back ups and are on too much money to cut this year.

Assuming Fisher, Johnson and Tiller are gone as was apparently hinted at at Bullants B&F, that means we are so far limited to 3 draft picks & 2 upgrades. Therefore we have to cut at least one of Ellard, Cachia, Casboult, Dare, or a senior listed player ie Browne or Anderson, or only take 2 draft picks. That's why people are jumping off Browne (and Anderson). Personally, I reckon Anderson has shown more.

 

[blueboy25]

Could be his effort in the North game?

I dont think anyone was happy with his performance in the North game but then we have seen strong games like the one against st kilda in 2009 that shows that he can mix it with the big boys.

 

[thylacine60]

Could be his effort in the North game?
Fact is, we have to cut players.
There are huge wraps on O'Keefe (I personally have never seen him play). Austin could be the CHB we are yearning for. Thornton and Setanta are handy enough as back ups and are on too much money to cut this year.

Assuming Fisher, Johnson and Tiller are gone as was apparently hinted at at Bullants B&F, that means we are so far limited to 3 draft picks & 2 upgrades. Therefore we have to cut at least one of Ellard, Cachia, Casboult, Dare, or a senior listed player ie Browne or Anderson, or only take 2 draft picks. That's why people are jumping off Browne (and Anderson). Personally, I reckon Anderson has shown more.

So people are jumping off Browne because a player has to be delisted?

 

[Stamos]

So people are jumping off Browne because a player has to be delisted?

Well, this is a Delisting thread. Someone has to go, and a guy who managed 3 average (at best) games this year is looking very possible.

 

[parrot]

We've got to be brutal with delistings now. Our list is already loaded with quality, and getting better every year, which means we're demanding more from the fringe players on our list. Every player needs to pass the "could this player be part of our 17th and 18th premierships teams?" test. If they clearly fail that, then we have to free up the spot to maximize our chances of unearthing another star with a rookie pick. It's all about winnings flags, and a lot of them.

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

Given that we traded for Laidler i'd say Browne has been pushed even further down the ladder.

Davies, White, Bower, Jamison, Armfield, Russell, Lucas, Laidler, Joseph.

They will all see time down back next season.

There's little to no room left for Browne now given that we have uncovered a few likely defensive type players in the last year or so.

The same could be said of Anderson but to a lesser degree as he's got a bit more athleticism and height about him.

 

[Stamos]

Given that we traded for Laidler i'd say Browne has been pushed even further down the ladder.

Davies, White, Bower, Jamison, Armfield, Russell, Lucas, Laidler, Joseph.

They will all see time down back next season.

There's little to no room left for Browne now given that we have uncovered a few likely defensive type players in the last year or so.

The same could be said of Anderson but to a lesser degree as he's got a bit more athleticism and height about him.

If Browne stays, I can't see him being used in defense, he is too slow. His possibilities are as an inside mid, or more likely as a defensive forward, although he is behind Houlihan, Robinson and Collins.

 

[blueblood25]

List changes for 2011 expected to be confirmed by Thursday - 4 already gone, how many more and who else is the question?

CFC Twitter

 

[Monkey King]

Could be his effort in the North game?

I reckon he needs a consistent run in the seniors. Last year it was the second Collingwood game that hung him for the rest of the season and while it was a shocker, I reckon he should have been given another go. Hope he gets a good block of games next year to settle himself into and lift his standard.

Therefore we have to cut at least one of Ellard, Cachia, Casboult, Dare, or a senior listed player ie Browne or Anderson, or only take 2 draft picks. That's why people are jumping off Browne (and Anderson). Personally, I reckon Anderson has shown more.

So they're jumping off Browne to keep Dare? Good junior wraps, but didn't really show a lot this season, so I don't know why you'd be wanting to do this. IMO would be a mistake to let him go before giving him a decent shot.

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

So they're jumping off Browne to keep Dare? Good junior wraps, but didn't really show a lot this season, so I don't know why you'd be wanting to do this. IMO would be a mistake to let him go before giving him a decent shot.

How do we give him a decent shot though?

He's a limited player in regards to ability and athleticism so he doesn't have much to push him self in front of a bunch of other players for decent playing time.

 

[Stamos]

So they're jumping off Browne to keep Dare? Good junior wraps, but didn't really show a lot this season, so I don't know why you'd be wanting to do this. IMO would be a mistake to let him go before giving him a decent shot.

I've never seen Dare play, so I don't know, but whatever way you cut it, Browne and Anderson are the last 2 guys on the senior list, and therefore the most likely facing the gun. Doesn't bother me whatever way the club chooses to go.

 

[Monkey King]

Given that we traded for Laidler i'd say Browne has been pushed even further down the ladder.

I wouldn't, as those two aren't going to play the same role.

There's little to no room left for Browne now given that we have uncovered a few likely defensive type players in the last year or so.

Nope. There's little to no room left for Johnson and Anderson; Browne should be given a run to establish himself. Personally I prefer Browne to Joseph as a player and yet I don't see him only as a defensive type. Hope like hell the coaches agree with me.

 

[Monkey King]

How do we give him a decent shot though?

Last year I thought his dropping from the seniors was a bit knee-jerk, only for the MC to bring him back for the Adelaide debacle and then drop him again.

So how to give him a decent shot? I'll call it the Jordan Russell precedent. Get games into him and let him have a couple of bad ones without reactively pulling the rug out from underneath him.

Calling him a limited player discounts too much AFAIC as I think he could play fwd/mid/def if developed properly and you're just focusing on athleticism. There is a role for him at the club IMO and I prefer him to both Robinson and Joseph.

 

[Vafa06]

Assuming Fisher, Johnson and Tiller are gone as was apparently hinted at at Bullants B&F, that means we are so far limited to 3 draft picks & 2 upgrades. Therefore we have to cut at least one of Ellard, Cachia, Casboult, Dare, or a senior listed player ie Browne or Anderson, or only take 2 draft picks. That's why people are jumping off Browne (and Anderson). Personally, I reckon Anderson has shown more.

Has already been told his services are not required in 2011.