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i know there is a large thread on this on the lifestyle board but this is a separate question - what 'causes' clinical depression? obviously there's something to do with the brain, chemicals and all that, but what sort of activities/behaviour (drugs aside) can increase and decrease your chances of experiencing it? therei s also a fair bit to do with personality i understand.

cheers - and good luck to all experiencing depression, you are never alone :thumbsu:

the thread was brought on by this btw http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2011/10/28/287591_news.html
 
Seems to effect people differently. You would think an athlete wouldn't suffer that bad being in their dream profession and doing a lot of exercise which is a natural treatment/prevention but they still do. Certain lifestyle factors like work and social life can bring it on.
 
It can be caused by chemical imbalances within you (psychiatric in nature), by external stimuli (psychological in nature) or a combination of both.

You are predisposed to it if there is a family history.

I know because I dealt with it/am dealing with it and asked when I was getting treatment.

WCErevival said:
You would think an athlete wouldn't suffer that bad being in their dream professional and doing a lot of exercise which is a natural treatment/prevention but they still do.
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The above is what I used to think. Unfortunately, the way it can sneak up on you means you can begin to suffer from it without even knowing you have it. Having a great lifestyle for example will make no difference.
 
Whats the rate of 'situational' depression leading to clinical depression, does anyone know? As in, something triggers a bad episode that a person never really recovers from?
 

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People have a genetic or physiological predisposition to the illness and it is environmental stressors that can determine whether or not it is expressed. A person's social support and ways of coping has a big effect on how long the disorder impacts upon quality of life.
 
I would say it's from life in general and not a cancer like some have said.

no one ever ask for life, we are all just put here without reason, and I feel in the end that's what depression is.

It's all about finding happiness, rather then being confused and feeling lost.

What do you want in life.

Problems with Money,relationships, career, death, tired of routine, and just not having enough fun.

When the problems build up you start to question everything.

Here's a cure- except the fact it's not your fault that your here and ingore the false pretenses that everyone has to have this life style of Marriage, Kids, House- the so called Australian dream.

That's BS- just do what you can, life is not about that- find happiness what ever way you can, life ain't easy but can be better if you release that burden inside you.
 
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I would say it's from life in general and not a cancer like some have said.

no one ever ask for life, we are all just put here without reason, and I feel in the end that's what depression is.

It's all about finding happiness, rather then being confused and feeling lost.

What do you want in life.

Problems with Money,relationships, career, death, tired of routine, and just not having enough fun.

When the problems build up you start to question everything.

Here's a cure- except the fact it's not your fault that your here and ingore the false pretenses that everyone has to have this life style of Marriage, Kids, House- the so called Australian dream.

That's BS- just do what you can, life is not about that- find happiness what ever way you can, life ain't easy but can be better if you release that burden inside you.
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...Yeah, nice rhetoric and all man, but try telling that to someone with geunine chronic depression. It's not that easy.

There's biological reasons behind it as well.
 
There's an opinion amongst psychiatrists that I've heard expressed a couple of times this year that perhaps much of our "depression" is the pathologising of normal emotions.

Interesting program from Radio National's 'All In The Mind'
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/allinthemind/stories/2011/3340004.htm

'Sick, Screwed Up or Just Lazy?'

Determined advocacy has put the mental health of young Australians front and centre on the public agenda. But child psychiatrist Professor Jon Jureidini is concerned. He's outspoken about the way his profession is interpreting and responding to young people's distress.
 
Stats Man said:
i know there is a large thread on this on the lifestyle board but this is a separate question - what 'causes' clinical depression? obviously there's something to do with the brain, chemicals and all that, but what sort of activities/behaviour (drugs aside) can increase and decrease your chances of experiencing it? therei s also a fair bit to do with personality i understand.

cheers - and good luck to all experiencing depression, you are never alone :thumbsu:

the thread was brought on by this btw http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2011/10/28/287591_news.html
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Dont know if anyone else noticed but under simon hogans picture thE caption named him as paul hogan not simon hogan lol i found tha amusing.
 
Away from the science-based stuff of how it's caused, I always thought it was caused by problems we can't find answers for. And the bigger the problems get the worse the depression gets. Just my view though. No backing for it really.
 
Piss Poor said:
I would say it's from life in general and not a cancer like some have said.

no one ever ask for life, we are all just put here without reason, and I feel in the end that's what depression is.

It's all about finding happiness, rather then being confused and feeling lost.

What do you want in life.

Problems with Money,relationships, career, death, tired of routine, and just not having enough fun.

When the problems build up you start to question everything.

Here's a cure- except the fact it's not your fault that your here and ingore the false pretenses that everyone has to have this life style of Marriage, Kids, House- the so called Australian dream.

That's BS- just do what you can, life is not about that- find happiness what ever way you can, life ain't easy but can be better if you release that burden inside you.
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If only your best was good enough for some people.
 

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Like most diseases, with a list of symptoms, like this one from Beyond Blue
even then it's difficult to be 100% sure

I've never had depression, but I've always found mental health quite interesting.
Best of luck to those who are going through it, because it can be very tough.
 
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How is clinical depression diagnosed?
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This was my Year 1 Guideline, can't find my updated ones. These were for my eyes only so the grammar and vocab isn't too great.

In the DSM IV Criteria, to diagonose a Major Depressive Episode, at least five of the following criteria must be met. Of these 5 one of depressed mood/anhedonia must be present.
• These criteria must represent significant abnormal behavior/behavioural change.
• Exceptions include medical or drug induced behavioural changes.
• These symptoms must be present for at least two weeks, or show marked suicide ideation, large psychomotor agitation or psychotic behavior.

Mnemonic: SADAFACES.

S Sleep Changes: Insomnia or hypersomnia nearly every day.
A Anhedonia: Markedly diminished interest or pleasure in all, or almost all, activities most of the day, nearly every day
D Dysthymia/Depressed mood: Depressed mood most of the day, nearly every day, as indicated by either subjective report or observation made by others.
A Appetite change: Decrease or increase in appetite nearly every day. May be coupled with significant weight loss when not dieting or weight gain. Look at belt-buckles during history.
F Fatigue: Fatigue or loss of energy nearly every day
A Agitation: Psychomotor agitation or ******ation nearly every day --> If unknown can be assessed with various tests.
C Concentration: Diminished ability to think or concentrate, or indecisiveness, nearly every day.
E Excessive guilt: Feelings of worthlessness or excessive or inappropriate guilt
S Suicidal ideation: Recurrent thoughts of death (excluding just fear of dying), recurrent suicidal ideation without a specific plan, or a suicide attempt or a specific plan for committing suicide.*

*Assess access to self-harm including, but not limited to: Workplace and home environments; in particular for males.


So generally speaking that is how it is done. Don't worry though, every doctor will tailor their questioning and care for each individual; this is just the all-encompassing guideline to help them get started. You're never just a statistic/a selection of answers on a page.
 
external factors can cause it especially from a very young age.

an extremely traumatic experience can also cause it if no proper explanation counselling is provided

as crimson butterfly suggested. it is this false spoon of shit we're fed everyday that we need to look like this, do this, impress this, get this, etc. if you go with a **** it attitude and just as you dictate its good. but its hard if youve been rock bottom. at times i sometimes wonder if my depression has now developed into bipolar due to my lows can be borderline suicidal and my highs are unbelievably good.
 
PTSD or sexual ,emotional or physical abuse as child and even as an adult aside or drug abuse, depression is a digestive system illness.

When your body starts to slow down from digestive issues, so does the mind, when the mind slows down the factors creating the digestive system issue snowball and so on...once you get slightly depressed your eating habits tend to suffer, you turn to grog or comfort food and just snowball the thing...

Lonliness can cause depression, but that can be a result of whats in the first paragraph

It could be an infection in your lymph gland or an allegy to some crap they put in big macs or pepsi max lacerating your kidney and pancreas..


It can also be the way people are losing skills more and more every generation, you know how many young people need an app on there phone to go shopping or cant use a road map?
 
I would say excessive use of activities that give you a surge of dopamine. Masturbation, gambling, drinking, certain drugs. Do it too often & you're more likely to become depressed.
 

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rayven said:
PTSD or sexual ,emotional or physical abuse as child and even as an adult aside or drug abuse, depression is a digestive system illness.

When your body starts to slow down from digestive issues, so does the mind, when the mind slows down the factors creating the digestive system issue snowball and so on...once you get slightly depressed your eating habits tend to suffer, you turn to grog or comfort food and just snowball the thing...

Loneliness can cause depression, but that can be a result of whats in the first paragraph

It could be an infection in your lymph gland or an allegy to some crap they put in big macs or pepsi max lacerating your kidney and pancreas..


It can also be the way people are losing skills more and more every generation, you know how many young people need an app on there phone to go shopping or cant use a road map?
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I've got to butt in here and offer a few corrections from a medical point of view. You're mixing several different models of depression together as one and a few things you said are a bit misinformed. The models of depression crap is probably just going to result in a tl;dr form most people, so I'll skip it.

Firstly, depression is not a digestive system illness, however if does have affects on the digestive system. The common misconception comes about because 95% of the bodies serotonin is present in the enteric nervous system (the gut). Other neurotransmitters are also balls to the wall overflowing in the gut. Depression is a nervous system "disease" and as such present pretty much everywhere in the body. It simply acts wherever synapses are present and signals need to be passed on. You cannot classify it as a digestive illness no matter how many of those ******ed ezinearticles.com articles try to say it is in order to get more people going to their organic store affiliates.

So in saying that it is a nervous system disorder and not a digestive one, the next important point is to say that eating shit food will not give you depression by itself. Eating something you are mildly allergic to will also not give you depression, not will it cause lacerations in your kidneys (which are actually not a part of the digestive system at all, they're really just simple filters for blood that has been pretty much pumped straight from your heart to your kidneys via the abdominal aorta). That said chronic inflammatory processes (that can be caused by repeated exposure to allergens such as Coeliac disease) can lead to maladaptive manifestations of "sickness behaviour," which is similar to how your body reacts when depressed. That is also arguable in modern medicine and some people pass it off as hogwash.

An infection in a lymph gland won't make you depressed. It can lead to a depressed mood for a few days/week until it is resolved, but it will not give you depression unless somehow it creates a ginormous and completely ****ed up chronic inflammatory response and even then... not really depression until you have other factors involved. I'm going to go out on a limb and say you were talking about an infected thyroid gland instead of lymph node. This can lead to hypothyroidism and one of the symptoms of hypothryoidism is depression, but you also get some weird-ass hair falling out, constipation, bradycardia, cholesterol going nuts, muscle hypotonia, weight gain and the list goes on forever.

Depression being linked to a decline in society is the first time I've ever heard of it and I couldn't find any writing supporting your claim. Unless you were talking of depressions of economy. :p
 
I thought it was mainly a lack of serotonin, which is why they issue reuptake inhibitors these days.

I've been feeling suicidal nonstop for the last 3 months. The only thing that helps me is diversionary distraction. Bigfooty, AFL, arguing with the Department of Education, socialising and other mindless pursuits.
 
Hodgepodge said:
I thought it was mainly a lack of serotonin, which is why they issue reuptake inhibitors these days.

I've been feeling suicidal nonstop for the last 3 months. The only thing that helps me is diversionary distraction. Bigfooty, AFL, arguing with the Department of Education, socialising and other mindless pursuits.
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No good bro! Hope you find some joy from the onset of the footy season :)
 
I really hate the chemical imbalance idea
Science has no idea about what is going on in the brain
 

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