Do we chase O'Keefe?

[year of the cat]

Sydney would be interested in 15 to help them make a play for Kerr but as good as he is, O'Keefe is 27 or 28 so that might be paying a little too much.

Geelong would be better off trying to off-load someone for an early 20s pick and try and bundle up that pick with someone like West - but I doubt that would get the deal done anyway.

It is tricky, to get quality you have to part with quality. Better off sticking with Gamble and loading up through the draft unless Sydney give him up for peanuts. The other issue would be 2 top 8 sides dealing with each other. Why would one want to make the other stronger? As such, the deal (rightfully) becomes harder.

I would like to see O'Keefe in a Geelong jumper though - it is a tasty thought. Just can't make it happen in my mind.

I just can't make myself let go of that first round pick prior to the introduction of GC17 and West Sydney.

You hit the nail on the head when you stated that you have to be prepared to give away quality to get it.

As much as a first round pick would be valuable coming into the GC17/West Sydney drafts I still think we have to trade for this next 2-3 year window. Gamble and Hawkins may be the players to take us to another flag but they may not be either. O'Keefe is a ready made, premiership player who would guarantee a high placed finish next year at worst. Imagine how scary we would be with the addition of O'Keefe to our structure?

We are already getting Ranga for nothing. If we were to use our second pick to pick up a Rockliff or maybe upgrade it to pick up Broadbent (now I am tantalising you!!) and then get O'Keefe how good would that be?

You have guaranteed the immediate future to be rosy whilst adding two quality youngsters to make sure your long term future is equally sound.

 

[The Ironist]

pick 15 plus Tenace or Byrnes

I agree, I still rate the cats as the best team in the league, losing pick 15 would not be a major loss if you traded Prismall, Tenace, Varcoe, or Kelly for Picks or key forward. maybe even another Key defender, with harley and milburn over 30

Also Mackie is a gun would love to see him in a crows jumper but will never happen. My moneys already on the cats for 09

 

[Outside 50]

HF OKEEFE MOONEY CHAPMAN
FF JOHNSON HAWKINS GAMBLE

YEP I LIKE IT!!

 

[year of the cat]

HF OKEEFE MOONEY CHAPMAN
FF JOHNSON HAWKINS GAMBLE

YEP I LIKE IT!!

Now that looks a bit better than Saturday....

 

[MELTY]

stuff ryan o'keefe lets get johnny o'keefe down to KP.......... SHOUT...........

 

[Pivo]

You hit the nail on the head when you stated that you have to be prepared to give away quality to get it.

As much as a first round pick would be valuable coming into the GC17/West Sydney drafts I still think we have to trade for this next 2-3 year window. Gamble and Hawkins may be the players to take us to another flag but they may not be either. O'Keefe is a ready made, premiership player who would guarantee a high placed finish next year at worst. Imagine how scary we would be with the addition of O'Keefe to our structure?

We are already getting Ranga for nothing. If we were to use our second pick to pick up a Rockliff or maybe upgrade it to pick up Broadbent (now I am tantalising you!!) and then get O'Keefe how good would that be?

You have guaranteed the immediate future to be rosy whilst adding two quality youngsters to make sure your long term future is equally sound.

That is all terrific speculation but just how does the club achieve all that?

Following your line of thinking, if I am doing it corectly, Geelong would give up pick 15 + some fringe player as goodwill to land O'Keefe.

OK, I'm with you there (mainly because Sydney would be mostly interested in pick 15).

The problem is - sure maybe Rockliff (although if Geelong added O'Keefe I doubt they'd go for him) or Broadbent (yes, you know my weakness) are available with the second round pick but what might Geelong be missing with that first rounder? A Lisle, a Trengove, a Johnston, a Swift, a Hill...the list goes on.

And if no flag is delivered in O'Keefe's tenure, the club may have missed the chance to cover the loss of Milburn, Harley and Scarlett with some genuine talent that will be harder to access after this draft. Let's not forget this list won the flag last year and made the GF again this year. They are around the mark. If Geelong won on the weekend rather than lost would this discussion even be taking place?

Don't get me wrong, if there was a way to land O'Keefe I'd be all for it but I think that first round pick is too valuable.

Maybe I need to live for the now

 

[couchy555]

We havent chased other players from clubs much in the past so im doubtful, plus the salary cap could hinder our chances. Then again, hes got the opportunity to come into a good side that WILL have more chances at flags in the next couple of years so that mite be a selling point.

I duno, im still too bummed out to think about next year.

 

[year of the cat]

That is all terrific speculation but just how does the club achieve all that?

Following your line of thinking, if I am doing it corectly, Geelong would give up pick 15 + some fringe player as goodwill to land O'Keefe.

OK, I'm with you there (mainly because Sydney would be mostly interested in pick 15).

The problem is - sure maybe Rockliff (although if Geelong added O'Keefe I doubt they'd go for him) or Broadbent (yes, you know my weakness) are available with the second round pick but what might Geelong be missing with that first rounder? A Lisle, a Trengove, a Johnston, a Swift, a Hill...the list goes on.

And if no flag is delivered in O'Keefe's tenure, the club may have missed the chance to cover the loss of Milburn, Harley and Scarlett with some genuine talent that will be harder to access after this draft.

Don't get me wrong, if there was a way to land O'Keefe I'd be all for it but I think that first round pick is too valuable.

Maybe I need to live for the now

Your a quick learner!!!

I reckon we can afford to give up our first round pick this year. Premierships, unlike at Hawthorn, are few and far between at Geelong. Go for it now while we can.

I know a Trengove would be nice (I have cooled on Lisle recently!) but we still have Kangars and McKenna developing as key backs. Taylor is young and hopefully Egan will get back. Thats enough for now.

 

[Pivo]

Your a quick learner!!!

I reckon we can afford to give up our first round pick this year. Premierships, unlike at Hawthorn, are few and far between at Geelong. Go for it now while we can.

I know a Trengove would be nice (I have cooled on Lisle recently!) but we still have Kangars and McKenna developing as key backs. Taylor is young and hopefully Egan will get back. Thats enough for now.

Without wanting to rain on the parade I wouldn't be holding my breath about Kangars (he needs a lot of work), Egan is now (as far as I'm concerned) an unknown, Taylor is more a classic utility player which leaves McKenna.

I like your thinking, I really do, but the Cats need to grab another KP Defender. I have thought that from the moment we learnt Egan was gone for the year, I haven't changed my opinion in that regard.

There is also a thing called the Cap which would stymie Geelong's attempts at landing him. They would have to move other players to free up some cash.

But, I like the idea. I really do. I'm going to give some more thought to it and try and come up with something.

If nothing else, getting O'Keefe will mean Steve Johnson can roam around the midfield next year.

 

[Redemptionin09]

If we can't get him, keep in mind that we already have a player who is similar to him and is a young gun GAMBLE!

 

[Hinkley29]

He is a quality player, but not a priority for us. If we were to trade for a big-name established player, it should be for a true KPP, not a mid sized forward. Don't get me wrong, O'Keefe is a quality mid sized forward, but he would be more valuable to other clubs than he is to us.

 

[haywood jablome]

pick 15 plus Tenace AND Byrnes

 

[Turbo911]

pick 15 plus Tenace or Byrnes

I agree, however if we could:
P15 Tenace & Byrnes > Sydney
ROK & 3rd pick > Geelong

 

[Prizzagirl]

Prismall wont be touched, he'll be offered a 2 year deal this week.

Here's hoping

 

[Budha32]

No way we would land an All Australian for late first round pick and an irregular senior player like byrnes/tenace.

Not sure what pick/s we sacrificed for Ottens in that deal, but we gave up Moloney who at that time was tipped as the next Gary Hocking and 10 year player.

Therefore at the very minimum, on top of pick 15, a James Kelly/Wojac or Stokes + Byrnes may need to be sacrificed to even get near bringing Okeefe to the Cattery. I think if they took Stokes we would have got the better end of the deal. As much as i love Kel' we have a range of midfield options so he is probably the next cab off the rank, and may be a big enough fish for Sydney to bite.

Mouth watering to say the least having such an effective kick bringing the ball into F50.

 

[Turbo911]

Yes but ROk is out of contract & has been mentioned he wants to go to a Vic team that is a chance of a GF win.
That narrows down alot of teams leaving us in the mix.
It will just depend what other clubs offer

 

[Budha32]

Unless we chose to move strongly, and Kerr doesn't get invloved somewhere in the trade, i believe Ross Lyon would be laughing all the way to the bank with a straight swap for Del Santo, and this seems a logical choice with the Sydney background of Lyon/Schneider.

 

[haywood jablome]

Yer but he wants a team who can win a premiership - that removes St Kilda surely..

 

[Turkey Tom]

If it wasn't for his off field problems, I'd rather Didak. Mainly because he is younger. But we should seriously think about O'Keefe.

Part of the problem in the GF was that Steve J was roaming far and wide (and doing a good job), but we needed him in the forward 50 too.

O'Keefe (and Didak) do the roaming job well too. So while one is out roaming the other stays home in the forward 50.

Of course, all O'Keefe may be doing is trying to bump up his price and has no intention of leaving Sydney.

 

[Magnum]

I'd LOVE to have O'Keefe at the cats, he is one of my favourite players, and is a fantastic mark. I'm not sure of the salary cap though.

Players that could provide a reasonable trade to Sydney, who could use some midfield grunt. Kelly (or is he contracted?) Gamble, Wojo (although I'd hate to see them go) and add a 2nd round draft pick would be fair trades? I wouldn't like giving up the 1st round pick, but securing ROK would do wonders for next years premiership. In the end we don't have a huge window considering Scarlo and Dash will be leaving over the next couple.

 

[The rabbi]

He is a quality player, but not a priority for us. If we were to trade for a big-name established player, it should be for a true KPP, not a mid sized forward. Don't get me wrong, O'Keefe is a quality mid sized forward, but he would be more valuable to other clubs than he is to us.

Agreed. I think that our forward woes are KKP not flankers (Although I think that we lack a good crumber up forward). We have players like Chapman, SJ, Gamble, Stokes, Varcoe, Prismal, Kelly et al who can play in the pocket or on the flank.

CHB, CHF,and FF are the immediate concerns at the moment.

 

[bradlz]

i think most of todays posters are on the money here.... kel is the lynch pin in a deal for o'keefe. i think with prissa signed up for two years, and bartel, corey, selwood, ablett, ling, enright all capable of midfield roles, kel could be expendible. having said that, o'keefe is 3-4 years older than kel so i think for it to work, we would need to exchange 2nd and third rd picks aswell. something like this:

kelly + 3rd rd>>>>>>>>> o'keefe + 2nd rd

i'm pretty sure we will keep our first round pick and will only look at moving around players.

for those comparing the ottens trade, he was a lot younger than o'keefe so had more potential seasons to play left.

i think o'keefe will allow s.j to play closer to goal where he is more influential. he got lost on saturday up the ground and his flukey moments that can be turnovers cost us more when he is up further than just inside 50, so a run in the midfield is not an option.

 

[turbo0010]

i think most of todays posters are on the money here.... kel is the lynch pin in a deal for o'keefe. i think with prissa signed up for two years, and bartel, corey, selwood, ablett, ling, enright all capable of midfield roles, kel could be expendible. having said that, o'keefe is 3-4 years older than kel so i think for it to work, we would need to exchange 2nd and third rd picks aswell. something like this:

kelly + 3rd rd>>>>>>>>> o'keefe + 2nd rd

i'm pretty sure we will keep our first round pick and will only look at moving around players.

for those comparing the ottens trade, he was a lot younger than o'keefe so had more potential seasons to play left.

i think o'keefe will allow s.j to play closer to goal where he is more influential. he got lost on saturday up the ground and his flukey moments that can be turnovers cost us more when he is up further than just inside 50, so a run in the midfield is not an option.

spot on the money, i reckon we should have a crack, definitely one of the swans best, better up the ground on the lead, not the best shot at goal.

 

[Vegas.]

Don't think the Swans would take that, because I don't think they would swap O'K for Kelly straight up, let alone with the picks in there too.

 

[rocker_oz33]

he is a very good player l for one would love to have him,he is a very hard worker but getting a player like him is against all things about GFC the coach wants young players and wont trade out young players after the otto thing few years back and most likely he O'Keefe is paid to well and wont fill in the celery cap