Preview Does Carlton's finals hope hinge on the result of the round 1 clash with Richmond ???

[celtic_pride]

I know this is perhaps a ridiculous call before the season has kicked off in anger, however this clash against the Tigers is a massive, massive clash for the Blues, if we lose this game (and lets face it, it is a possiblilty, a small and very unpleasent one, but a possibility nevertheless) would it be an reasonable to assume we're in for a long season and finals would be out of the equation if we can't beat the rabble that is Richmond ???

For the record I am not tipping Carlton to lose, think we should be good enough to win with 4 or 5 goals to spare (I don't think we'll see a repeat of the rnd 1 massacre last year though) but there is this horrible feeling in the back of my mind, that a loss to Richmond, and it might as well be curtains for the Blues (in terms of serious finals contenders) for 2010, especially if you look at the difficult draw coming up in the next 6 or so matches after the Tigers ... I know this might be an inconvinient and somewhat absurd question, but if we did somehow lose to the Tigers, does anyone honestly believe we can still make the finals ???

The race for the 8 is going to be very tight this year, and I think you'd need at least 12, if not 13 wins to make the finals in 2010, so we cannot afford to lose any games to crap sides like Richmond.

 

[Azul]

No!!

 

[Dramoth]

No!!

All that needs to be said...

+1

 

[Aphrodite]

No from me as well .........

 

[celtic_pride]

Just remember that if Carlton somehow lose to the Tigers, all the heat/flak from rnd 1 will be pointed at our direction more then any other club that lost ...

The Blues cannot afford to lose this game, what worries me is that the Tigers can go into this game with a 'nothing to lose' mentality, and maybe some of the players from Carlton may be caught off guard.

The shit will really hit the fan if the nightmare of losing to Richmond becomes true. Of course I am not saying it is going to happen, but I have to admit being a bit worried, and I hope the players aren't taking the Tigers lightly.

I am not sure if the players and club can recover psychologically in time to recover, if the humilation of losing to Richmond happens.

Make no mistake, Carlton have a lot more to lose then Richmond in this fixture.

 

[blue gunslinger]

22 games in the season so - no is the only logical answer
lose 22 and finals may be difficult to achieve
CP everywhere recently you have been on about what if we lose to Richmond without ever entertaining the thought we might just win.
Get positive. Why would you turn up?

 

[celtic_pride]

22 games in the season so - no is the only logical answer
lose 22 and finals may be difficult to achieve
CP everywhere recently you have been on about what if we lose to Richmond without ever entertaining the thought we might just win.
Get positive. Why would you turn up?

Well everyone around here is going on about how much we're going to pump the Tigers, and I find that kind of talk really dangerous (and perhaps a little bit arrogant) ...

It's a two horse race, 50/50 contest (Etc) and yes the possibilty of losing to Richmond has to be considered.

And lets be honest, Carlton's pre-season form has been pretty poor (admittedly Richmond's as well)

I would think that with the tough draw after rnd 1 for nearly the next 2 months, it would be a uphill battle for Carlton to make the finals if we lost to the Tigers.
If we can't beat Richmond, what hope do we have of beating the likes of Brisbane (up there) Adelaide (at Moron Park), Geelong, Collingwood and St.Kilda (both top 4 sides last year) etc ..

BTW I didn't say we'd lose to Richmond, I am tipping us to win by around 4-5 goals, but I am simply asking the question of how you'd think we'd go for the rest of the year if Carlton lost to Richmond ...
I think a lot of fans would be upset and become cynical about our chances for the rest of the season if we lost to the Tigers, wouldn't you agree ???

 

[Sublime]

You might remember what happened in 1995 CP (oh wait, you were following Geelong then weren't you?). Actually you'd be pretty familiar with how Carlton went that year, we beat you if i recall correctly...

Anyway, that year Carlton won 23 games and dropped only 2... they were in consecutive weeks and we lost to 2 rabble teams in Sydney & St Kilda by over 10 goals a piece. You'd have thought by your logic that we'd have not made the finals because we lost against 2 shit teams at the time right? Right?

Well.. wrong...

 

[celtic_pride]

You might remember what happened in 1995 CP (oh wait, you were following Geelong then weren't you?). Actually you'd be pretty familiar with how Carlton went that year, we beat you if i recall correctly...

Anyway, that year Carlton won 23 games and dropped only 2... they were in consecutive weeks and we lost to 2 rabble teams in Sydney & St Kilda by over 10 goals a piece. You'd have thought by your logic that we'd have not made the finals because we lost against 2 shit teams at the time right? Right?

Well.. wrong...

Your comparing this year's squad to the 1995 premiership side ???

How did you work that one out Einstein ???

Furthermore I would argue strongly St.Kilda and Sydney in those years had the make up of sides much stronger then the hapless hacks running around for Richmond in 2010 (for instance, Sydney made the Granny in 1996, and St.Kilda the year after, do you honestly think the Ti-Girls can honestly make a grand final in the next two years after 2010 ???)

Do you not deny though that Carlton FC will be (even just by the media) plunged into crisis if they lose to Richmond next week.

 

[blue gunslinger]

Well everyone around here is going on about how much we're going to pump the Tigers, and I find that kind of talk really dangerous (and perhaps a little bit arrogant) ...

It's a two horse race, 50/50 contest (Etc) and yes the possibilty of losing to Richmond has to be considered.

And lets be honest, Carlton's pre-season form has been pretty poor (admittedly Richmond's as well)

I would think that with the tough draw after rnd 1 for nearly the next 2 months, it would be a uphill battle for Carlton to make the finals if we lost to the Tigers.
If we can't beat Richmond, what hope do we have of beating the likes of Brisbane (up there) Adelaide (at Moron Park), Geelong, Collingwood and St.Kilda (both top 4 sides last year) etc ..

BTW I didn't say we'd lose to Richmond, I am tipping us to win by around 4-5 goals, but I am simply asking the question of how you'd think we'd go for the rest of the year if Carlton lost to Richmond ...
I think a lot of fans would be upset and become cynical about our chances for the rest of the season if we lost to the Tigers, wouldn't you agree ???

be it here or elsewhere all you ask is - what happens if we lose
nothing about if we win our first 4 are we in contetntion?

 

[Dramoth]

Well everyone around here is going on about how much we're going to pump the Tigers, and I find that kind of talk really dangerous (and perhaps a little bit arrogant) ...

It's a two horse race, 50/50 contest (Etc) and yes the possibilty of losing to Richmond has to be considered.

And lets be honest, Carlton's pre-season form has been pretty poor (admittedly Richmond's as well)

I would think that with the tough draw after rnd 1 for nearly the next 2 months, it would be a uphill battle for Carlton to make the finals if we lost to the Tigers.
If we can't beat Richmond, what hope do we have of beating the likes of Brisbane (up there) Adelaide (at Moron Park), Geelong, Collingwood and St.Kilda (both top 4 sides last year) etc ..

BTW I didn't say we'd lose to Richmond, I am tipping us to win by around 4-5 goals, but I am simply asking the question of how you'd think we'd go for the rest of the year if Carlton lost to Richmond ...
I think a lot of fans would be upset and become cynical about our chances for the rest of the season if we lost to the Tigers, wouldn't you agree ???

I think that out of the teams that you named, the only ones to beat us twice was Adelaide.

The filth were 1:1 with us, and until St Kilda actually got beat, we were the only team to get within 10 pts of them.

And I think that I know what happened with your old team considering that you were going around saying that it would be a good day if we only got beat by 30 points... what was the final margin there again mate?

Brisbane were also 1:1 with us at the end of the year before the finals.

Theoretically, we could lose against Bitchmond and then beat everyone for the next 8 weeks so therefore, your doomsaying is irrelevant

Our season doesnt revolve around beating Bitchmond.

 

[celtic_pride]

be it here or elsewhere all you ask is - what happens if we lose
nothing about if we win our first 4 are we in contetntion?

Well yes if we are 4-0 I would say we are very much in contention, but you know me, I always like to take things one week at a time

 

[blue gunslinger]

Well yes if we are 4-0 I would say we are very much in contention, but you know me, I always like to take things one loss at a time

edited for accuracy

 

[Sin City]

Well yes if we are 4-0 I would say we are very much in contention, but you know me, I always like to take things one week at a time

Really? Because I recall a thread you started saying if Andrew Walker didn't perform as you wanted him to at the end of this season he should be delisted.

You also keep saying you think we'll be up against it to make the finals this year, maybe you should reserve that and just see how we go one week at a time.

 

[as0l0]

Well yes if we are 4-0 I would say we are very much in contention, but you know me, I always like to take things one week at a time

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[The Coach]

i usually don't reply in your horrible (or is it terrible?) threads, but this is just gold.

you're saying you take things one week at a time in a thread you started about our season being over if we lose in week 1?

It was pretty clear to me that he said it as a joke.

How about the pack of bullies get off this bloke's back. He is just another person looking for a bit of entertainment on a footy forum. If you have a problem with him - ignore him


On topic: If we lose this supposed given then we may need a real upset later in the season to balance the ledger

 

[esoteric]

God I hope so

 

[as0l0]

It was pretty clear to me that he said it as a joke.

How about the pack of bullies get off this bloke's back. He is just another person looking for a bit of entertainment on a footy forum. If you have a problem with him - ignore him


On topic: If we lose this supposed given then we may need a real upset later in the season to balance the ledger

then i take it back.

 

[Sublime]

Your comparing this year's squad to the 1995 premiership side ???

How did you work that one out Einstein ???

Furthermore I would argue strongly St.Kilda and Sydney in those years had the make up of sides much stronger then the hapless hacks running around for Richmond in 2010 (for instance, Sydney made the Granny in 1996, and St.Kilda the year after, do you honestly think the Ti-Girls can honestly make a grand final in the next two years after 2010 ???)

Do you not deny though that Carlton FC will be (even just by the media) plunged into crisis if they lose to Richmond next week.

No genius.

Possibly our best ever side lost their only 2 games against 2 of the worst teams that season. In fact they smashed us. What that teaches us is that even the best teams can lose against crap ones, and it doesn't spoil their season. Need me to spell it out for you any more than that?

 

[Dennis]

I know this is perhaps a ridiculous call....

Yes

Yes it is

 

[The Coach]

The problem with that explanation Subby is that they were two of our best teams and had little difficulty in balancing the ledger

 

[blueswagger]

Silly thread really....

Round 1, round 6, round 20...they all matter to make the finals, unless you haven't lost any games by about rnd 15!

I have no idea why you would want to focus on rnd 1 in regards to making the finals, other than it is the first and foremost game in your mind.

Pretty simple equation: to play finals, 12 wins+ req'd...no extra points for wins rnd 1, 6, 10 etc etc

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Jesus, Larry,

Plunged into Crisis - some quality page 77 stuff there

 

[The Coach]

Ah you're too old fashioned c_p you silly bastard you are still living in the days when you won the games you were supposed to win

 

[HBF]

Even without Judd (and Fevola), we should be too strong for Richmond. They have terrrible skills, and learning a new game plan under Hardwick will take some time. Foley won't play, Cousins would have to be doubtful, and if he in fact does play, he won't be 100%

Moving on from that game, yes we do have a tough draw, but I still think if we play to our best, we are capable of mixing it with the best sides in the AFL. We just need to limit our turnovers, and put scoreboard pressure on when we have the run of the game.