Dominate Bay-13 Day!

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Doesn't change the fact that they're both completely wrong in the way they try to prove their point by looking at other teams' boards.

No.

Obviously exact stats of posts made by Carlton supporters in each month would be ideal and prove the point exactly. This is not achievable especially as some don't even have a team listed.

Secondly, if someone had a list of all Carlton supporters and cared to tally up their posts from each month, we might be able to achieve our aim. This is a time consuming exercise that nobody wants to take up.

However, we do have the contention that we go missing due to team performance. We do know and accept that the rate of progress by the Carlton board in relation to other boards has been consistent. We can therefore draw a conclusion that for the Carlton board to have any significant dropoff, the team boards behind and in front of them, must have suffered the same dropoff. When you consider that other boards with reasonable traffic include the Hawks, Cats and Dogs boards, we already know that any drop off in the first few rounds, would not have been because of team performance. It is illogical to see a global traffic downturn and say it is for one reason in relation to Carlton and for entirely different reasons in relation to the other teams.

This is where the other team boards come into play and drop off or no drop off, become relevant.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Yes that is what you're arguing.

It's wrong (IMO).

It's not wrong though. It's the next best thing when stats are not specifically available.

You can't make a claim and then say all rebuttals are flawed just because the statistics don't exist to refute the claim.

Perhaps you would like to convey a better way to rebutt your claim (which you already concede is probably wrong), in the absense of specific statistics.

 

[GuzzLG]

It's not wrong though. It's the next best thing when stats are not specifically available.

You can't make a claim and then say all rebuttals are flawed just because the statistics don't exist to refute the claim.

Perhaps you would like to convey a better way to rebutt your claim (which you already concede is probably wrong), in the absense of specific statistics.

Sort the board by thread start time.

Pick two timeframes.

Find the first thread started in each timeframe, find the last. Add up the number of threads all up (not that hard to do, 25 threads per page) and compare.

Don't think that's TOO time consuming. Could do it in 10 mins no problem.

Certainly much better than comparing it to other team boards' total posts.

 

[thylacine60]

Am I here?

 

[Stronzo]

Am I here?

What was it that Descarte said?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Sort the board by thread start time.

Pick two timeframes.

Find the first thread started in each timeframe, find the last. Add up the number of threads all up (not that hard to do, 25 threads per page) and compare.

Don't think that's TOO time consuming. Could do it in 10 mins no problem.

Certainly much better than comparing it to other team boards' total posts.

I don't have an option to search on that criteria. You have to enter key words or a username to search on.

Given that threads are started in one month and many are ongoing for several months, you would not find them by clicking back through the old pages to a time period as they would now be nestled amongst the threads from the month it was last posted in.

 

[GuzzLG]

I don't have an option to search on that criteria. You have to enter key words or a username to search on.

Given that threads are started in one month and many are ongoing for several months, you would not find them by clicking back through the old pages to a time period as they would now be nestled amongst the threads from the month it was last posted in.

Down the bottom of the board in display options you can sort by many things (last post time being the standard).

Change it to thread start time (and from last week to last year if you wanna go back to the start of the season).

 

[Stronzo]

Is there still an argument going on here, or is Guzzlg now teaching?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Down the bottom of the board in display options you can sort by many things (last post time being the standard).

Change it to thread start time (and from last week to last year if you wanna go back to the start of the season).

Yes but you can't search on a board alone. It asks you for a key word(s) or a username to be able to search.

The nearest I can come is the time I just spent going through archives to establish that of the threads lumped together in chronological order, that 306 threads were started on the Carlton board in the 28 day period immediately preceding our round 1 loss to Richmond and 516 threads were started on the Blues board in the next 28 day period including that day (20/3).

This says nothing about how many posts are in each thread, how many are from Carlton supporters, how many other boards they were also posting on etc.

As I said, accurate stats just are not available or certainly aren't available to me.

You can bet that most team boards pick up when the season starts and the fact that we lost no ground and in fact gained over many other team boards, the indicators are that we improved further after our season started.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Is there still an argument going on here, or is Guzzlg now teaching?

Guzz is deflecting in the absence of argument.

It was a pretty pissweak troll to begin with and all he could do is try to find chinks in the arguments of others because his disintegrated pretty much straight away. I mean who starts with something like that, then gets all high and mighty about the methodology used in the response to cover their arse?

 

[choco123]

You would have to agree that of all the stupid, overly optimistic, contentious prediction threads made about upcoming seasons (which I realise is a BF staple) Carlton posters would create proportionately the most in relation to other clubs. I realise that this is because of Carlton's success-starved recent history, however it doesn't make it any less annoying, and arguably magnifies the result.

These posters then mysteriously disappear when these predictions are proved wrong, or otherwise return to the safety of the Carlton Board.

I think this is the crux of GuzzlG's argument.

 

[thylacine60]

You would have to agree that of all the stupid, overly optimistic, contentious prediction threads made about upcoming seasons (which I realise is a BF staple) Carlton posters would create proportionately the most in relation to other clubs. I realise that this is because of Carlton's success-starved recent history, however it doesn't make it any less annoying, and arguably magnifies the result.

These posters then mysteriously disappear when these predictions are proved wrong, or otherwise return to the safety of the Carlton Board.

I think this is the crux of GuzzlG's argument.

We have been shit - some of course would say we still are. We predict we shall get better. Some predict this will occur at a faster pace than is realistic. When we have success we rejoice. When failure continues to dog us, we get pissed off/upset/frustrated. Can't see how this is any different to any other supporters. Singling one club out is just silly other than the fact we have come off the lowest base recently.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

You would have to agree that of all the stupid, overly optimistic, contentious prediction threads made about upcoming seasons (which I realise is a BF staple) Carlton posters would create proportionately the most in relation to other clubs. I realise that this is because of Carlton's success-starved recent history, however it doesn't make it any less annoying, and arguably magnifies the result.

Not sure if it is proportionate to the number of posters we now have or proportionate to the amount of trolling our posters return fire to. That's another question however.

These posters then mysteriously disappear when these predictions are proved wrong, or otherwise return to the safety of the Carlton Board.

I think this is the crux of GuzzlG's argument.

No, if it was, he would have said by now. He wouldn't be looking at how many threads/posts were on the Carlton board during certain timeframes if his argument was that our posters retreat to the Carlton board.

After any loss most posters are on the team boards, venting, strategising, analysing .... it's the nature of the football follower.

I would venture to say that most trolls don't return to the scene of the crime once their troll has fallen over, and that has nothing to do with team allegiance. How many trolls return and say they were wrong?

 

[Shambolic]

You would have to agree that of all the stupid, overly optimistic, contentious prediction threads made about upcoming seasons (which I realise is a BF staple) Carlton posters would create proportionately the most in relation to other clubs. I realise that this is because of Carlton's success-starved recent history, however it doesn't make it any less annoying, and arguably magnifies the result.

These posters then mysteriously disappear when these predictions are proved wrong, or otherwise return to the safety of the Carlton Board.

I think this is the crux of GuzzlG's argument.

Id much prefer to be a Carlton fan than a fan of any other Club. We have both history and upside in our favour, something that most other Clubs only dream of.

I should add that Id much rather be woefully optimistic than just woeful - had a great time at a wedding on the weekend where all the Richmond fans sat in a corner and moped about how they should be sacking Wallace and that they werent too sure theyd ever play finals again!

Id take hopeful over hopeless any day.

 

[phantom 309]

You would have to agree that of all the stupid, overly optimistic, contentious prediction threads made about upcoming seasons (which I realise is a BF staple) Carlton posters would create proportionately the most in relation to other clubs. I realise that this is because of Carlton's success-starved recent history, however it doesn't make it any less annoying, and arguably magnifies the result.

These posters then mysteriously disappear when these predictions are proved wrong, or otherwise return to the safety of the Carlton Board.

I think this is the crux of GuzzlG's argument.

If what you are saying is so then why no supporting evidence ? Carlton supporters may as you say be guilty of what you claim, but you come on our board and make the claim and dont support it, that just makes guzzlg and you the same lame troll sorry but thats how it is

 

[choco123]

Singling one club out is just silly other than the fact we have come off the lowest base recently.

The reason I'm singling Carlton out is that in relation of the amount of posters, the greatest proportion of these threads (i.e. stupid, baseless prediction threads) would be from Carlton fans (which is probably something to do with the fact that as you say, you're coming off a low base).

If what you are saying is so then why no supporting evidence ? Carlton supporters may as you say be guilty of what you claim, but you come on our board and make the claim and dont support it, that just makes guzzlg and you the same lame troll sorry but thats how it is

You want proof? (note, I bet I could find two to three times more if I wanted to)

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=502012&highlight=Carlton

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=429002&highlight=Carlton

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=508792&highlight=Carlton

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=494813&highlight=Carlton

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=478797&highlight=Carlton

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=472166&highlight=Carlton

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=469764&highlight=Carlton

etc. etc.

There is your proof.

 

[LemmingMaster]

The reason I'm singling Carlton out is that in relation of the amount of posters

Personally, I think Hodgepodge beats that every single week.

 

[choco123]

Personally, I think Hodgepodge beats that every single week.

Hmmm maybe, but there is quite a wide spread of Carlton posters who seem to do this. Hodgepodge is perhaps more of an outlier...

 

[phantom 309]

The reason I'm singling Carlton out is that in relation of the amount of posters, the greatest proportion of these threads (i.e. stupid, baseless prediction threads) would be from Carlton fans (which is probably something to do with the fact that as you say, you're coming off a low base).



You want proof? (note, I bet I could find two to three times more if I wanted to)

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=502012&highlight=Carlton

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=429002&highlight=Carlton

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=508792&highlight=Carlton

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=494813&highlight=Carlton

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=478797&highlight=Carlton

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=472166&highlight=Carlton

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=469764&highlight=Carlton

etc. etc.

There is your proof.

Proof sorry 7 threads started over a 6 month period, if you did find 2 or 3 times more it would hardly rate as overkill from these posters taking into account the 6 month time frame, sorry chooco your still not cutting it, so still a troll

 

[choco123]

You want more?

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=407336&highlight=Carlton

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=430346&highlight=Carlton

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=423533&highlight=Carlton

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=404532&highlight=Carlton

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=390996&highlight=Carlton

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=382716&highlight=Carlton

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=312438&highlight=Carlton

I haven't put a great deal of effort into this search, only searching for Carlton on Bay 13. Methinks I could find a great deal more if I searched more comprehensively and on other boards (e.g. main board).

 

[thylacine60]

You want more?

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=407336&highlight=Carlton

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=430346&highlight=Carlton

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=423533&highlight=Carlton

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=404532&highlight=Carlton

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=390996&highlight=Carlton

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=382716&highlight=Carlton

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=312438&highlight=Carlton

I haven't put a great deal of effort into this search, only searching for Carlton on Bay 13. Methinks I could find a great deal more if I searched more comprehensively and on other boards (e.g. main board).

What does it matter? Even if you are right (and let's face it, it's someone's word against yours - whatever it is you're trying to prove) who cares? Why waste so much time and energy and intelligence on such a banal, trivial non-issue? How can being right even matter when the subject of your crusade is so pointless? Mate, let it go and skite on about your 3 flags. That's something you have serious street cred on.

 

[phantom 309]

You want more?

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=407336&highlight=Carlton

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=430346&highlight=Carlton

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=423533&highlight=Carlton

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=404532&highlight=Carlton

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=390996&highlight=Carlton

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=382716&highlight=Carlton

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=312438&highlight=Carlton

I haven't put a great deal of effort into this search, only searching for Carlton on Bay 13. Methinks I could find a great deal more if I searched more comprehensively and on other boards (e.g. main board).

Methinks your realy struggling, you found 7 more threads, great you now have 14, over an 18 month time frame, choco you are going backwards pal.

 

[sherb]

What does it matter? Even if you are right (and let's face it, it's someone's word against yours - whatever it is you're trying to prove) who cares? Why waste so much time and energy and intelligence on such a banal, trivial non-issue? How can being right even matter when the subject of your crusade is so pointless? Mate, let it go and skite on about your 3 flags. That's something you have serious street cred on.

I couldn`t agree more.

What an absolute waste of time. Even if this choco character is right, I couldn`t give a rats clacker about something so completely unimportant.

 

[Biffinator]

We are getting off track here.

When is this "Dominate Bay 13 Day" going to occur?

Would it be an idea to nominate a day - say, next Saturday?

Will it be an annual event?

Biffinator

 

[thylacine60]

We are getting off track here.

When is this "Dominate Bay 13 Day" going to occur?

Would it be an idea to nominate a day - say, next Saturday?

Will it be an annual event?

Biffinator

Sorry, Biff. Unlike your sexual conquests I doubt it will be quite that regular.