Doom 3

[3rdEchelon]

Even that video card would struggle to run Doom 3 all that well.

Pray tell what would be good enough then.

 

[Ron]

Pray tell what would be good enough then.

The computers that are used at dreamworks studio

However if you want to make the most out of this game, i would suggest any video card under $300 isn't going to allow that to happen.

 

[otaku]

Raedon 9600XT or an nVidia fx5700 are the minimuns i would recommend.

 

[nonchalance]

Please find somewhere where I said mods were basic variations on the same thing. I was referring to the games themselves. The concept is the same throughout - shoot stuff and get better weapons. The only advancement in this time has been interacting with other elements in the environment, i.e. vehicles.

How about the rise of 'strategic', squad-based shooters, like Rainbow Six?
The addition of stealth elements, like Splinter Cell?
The Capture the Flag, Domination and other game-types even in the most 'shoot stuff, get weapons' games?
What about the dual-strategy/FPS stuff, like Savage?

I might as well argue that strategy hasn't advanced since Warcraft I and Civilisation, and it would be less stupid an argument.

I'm certain either you or Thrawn made the mod comment, but I can't find it now, so I'll withdraw that one - but any genre can be simplified down to one or two simple basics.
Strategy: Build stuff, break other people's stuff. Careful with your money.
RPG: Read story, kill monster, find jewel.
Football: Kick ball, get goal, stop other guy getting goals.
Puzzle: Solve puzzle, get reward.
etc.

As for the online element, jump on a normal server, and then count all the people using cheats/hacks. Great replay value there.

One could say the same for Warcraft III or Diablo. All games have cheating problems, but they're usually exaggerated horribly by people who can't play the game and yell 'cheat' whenever they die.

FPS' are nothing but mindless entertainment for the lemmings. Hopefully by the time Half Life 2 comes out, many of these lemmings will grow tired of playing the same game over and over and try something different.

No. It is possible, yes, to play most FPS games without being particularly intelligent, but to be good at them, you need to know tactics and strategy. You have NFI what you are talking about here - and I reiterate that I don't really get into FPS. I don't understand why people are still playing Counterstrike at LAN parties when they could be playing WBC3, NWN, or Kohan. But I recognise the skills and intelligence of the good players, and if you don't, either you're a bigoted moron, or you haven't been paying attention.

Want to explain to me why games like the Championship Manager series are so popular across the world? I'll tell you why, because it's everything an FPS isn't.

Hang on. Did you just try to use popularity against first-person shooters?
That's like saying Leonard Cohen is better than Britney Spears because Cohen is so popular.

Mindless entertainment sells, and the best-selling game (and one of the most mindless) around at the moment is an RPG/Strategy title.
I'm not saying that you need to be smart to play most FPS games, because obviously you don't. But to condemn all FPS games as idiotic repetition of previous titles, while lauding the sequel-obsession of the strategy and RPG genres (and I note you failed to reply to that point) is so closed-minded I'm surprised you haven't died from lack of oxygen.

 

[nonchalance]

For hardware, both Topdon and I posted this article: http://www2.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjQ0 - it goes through exactly what hardware you need to run Doom III, and do it well, and what the upgrades will provide.

Seriously worth the read, especially if you're looking at upgrading to play.

 

[ClintEastwood]

Where does that put Quake?

For multiplayer FPS action, the original Quake is, in my opinion, still the best ever.

 

[ClintEastwood]

Raedon 9600XT or an nVidia fx5700 are the minimuns i would recommend.

And what would you be basing that on? Have you played the game on any system at all? Go back and have a look at the link nochalance posted.

 

[otaku]

And what would you be basing that on? Have you played the game on any system at all? Go back and have a look at the link nochalance posted.

Basing it on price v quality - I personally wouldnt playing doom3 on anything less than what i listed. Whats your point??

I have doom3, playing it using a radeon 9800pro. I did read through the link posted, even though it was posted AFTER i posted MY recommendation.

 

[nonchalance]

And a realistic answer to the question: will your system run Doom III?

First page, otaku.
And then:

Some new benchmarks have come out today to definitively determine whether you're rig will be able to handle Doom3 with reasonable framerates.

http://www2.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjQ0

Second page.

 

[likka]

Ah yeah, love that low low resolution.

I find that games like Rainbow Six3, Splinter Cell, PGR2, GTAIII, FIFA Soccer, etc all look great on a TV using SVideo. Granted they are not as good as high end PC graphics, but are great nonetheless.

Next generation consoles will be HDTV compatible, will look outstanding.

True surround sound is doable on the PC, as is big screen, as is 'the dark'.

Of course you can but it costs. Most people have home theatre these days, why not utilise this when playing games... my Yamaha AV unit & Jamo speakers certainly produces a better sound than any PC will using 5.1 Cambridge speakers could.

And you'll have to upgrade your Xbox in a couple of years when the one you have becomes a paperweight.

Given that I only paid just over $200 for it, which is a pittance compared to upgrading a PC over the course of 3 years to play the "latest thing" (ie Doom 3 & Far Cry), I think I can live with that. Gotta find a way to depreciate it...

 

[otaku]

First page, otaku.
And then:


Second page.

My apologies. Skipped thse posts

Still doesnt change my recommendation though. In fact, it really only strengthens it.

 

[Higgs Boson]

Raedon 9600XT or an nVidia fx5700 are the minimuns i would recommend.

I agree, Doom seems to be a bit of a leap in graphics and required capabilities. The differences in graphics cards a year apart is amazing these days. I played Splinter Cell with a GeForce 4 MX440 and it wasn't bad, but then I got my Ti4800 and I got lighting effects and other stuff that I'd never seen before, it was just awesome.

My Ti4800 that cost me $270 a year ago will probably only render the newer, better games okay rather than great, and even then only for the next year or so.

Doom3 with anything less than the cards recommended by otaku would be a significantly underwhelming experience IMO.

 

[Pablo Forlàn]

Blah blah blah

Seems you not comprehending much. I said I am not an RPG fan, I have never played Zelda, Final Fantasy or anything of that ilk. However, I respect that they actually require some above average thought processes to complete.

I have said that FPS are mindless games requiring little to no thought, which in principle you are agreeing with.

Besides, RPG's may have some repetition, but does mean rote learning from previous ones will finish the next? I doubt it.

Anyway you obviously have more credibility than I, as you write stuff for a no-name game site. As Mr T once said, "I Pity the fool".

If mindless entertainment sells, why does Championship Manager sell so highly? Or do you need an example that populates 3 shelves at EB.

 

[3rdEchelon]

Raedon 9600XT or an nVidia fx5700 are the minimuns i would recommend.

Yeah i went to Harvey Norman today, and they had that Raedon 9600XT for about $349. Pretty wierd when that Doom 3 package i posted earlier with the video card was only $149 all up. I think i'l buy it anyway, i need another new recent game.

 

[otaku]

Yeah i went to Harvey Norman today, and they had that Raedon 9600XT for about $349. Pretty wierd when that Doom 3 package i posted earlier with the video card was only $149 all up. I think i'l buy it anyway, i need another new recent game.

Shop around - DONT go to Hardly Normal!!

I just bought a Radeon 9800Pro from$360. Better card that the 9600XT.

Goto places like tomshardware and do some comparisons.

But ultimately, dont shop at HN

 

[nonchalance]

Seems you not comprehending much. I said I am not an RPG fan, I have never played Zelda, Final Fantasy or anything of that ilk. However, I respect that they actually require some above average thought processes to complete.

Disagree. I know average-intelligence nine-year olds that have finished the most recent Zelda, and a ******ed monkey could have finished Neverwinter Nights or Diablo.

I have said that FPS are mindless games requiring little to no thought, which in principle you are agreeing with.

No. What I'm saying is that a moron could enjoy many of them, but to be good at most of them requires intelligence. Morons could enjoy many strategy games as well, and a quick read of the Warcraft 3 forums proves that many morons do.

Besides, RPG's may have some repetition, but does mean rote learning from previous ones will finish the next? I doubt it.

To a similar degree as rote learning will finish the next FPS, yes.

Anyway you obviously have more credibility than I, as you write stuff for a no-name game site. As Mr T once said, "I Pity the fool".

No, I have more credibility than you because I have arguments to back up my points - Digital Cabbage is just me and a friend of mine discussing games - the articles are merely transcripts of our discussions.
They're up because we thought others might be interested, and there's no intention to earn money or prestige.

If mindless entertainment sells, why does Championship Manager sell so highly? Or do you need an example that populates 3 shelves at EB.

CM sells well because it is a very good game - but which part of "CM sales are a tiny percentage of Doom III sales" did you miss?
Compare it to FIFA, for example.
Similar quality, similar audience, but one limits its audience by requiring a certain level of intelligence and number-crunching.
Which sells more?

 

[Pablo Forlàn]

CM sells well because it is a very good game - but which part of "CM sales are a tiny percentage of Doom III sales" did you miss?
Which sells more?

Yawn. I forgot global sales figures started at Seattle and ended in New York.

 

[3rdEchelon]

Shop around - DONT go to Hardly Normal!!

I just bought a Radeon 9800Pro from$360. Better card that the 9600XT.

Goto places like tomshardware and do some comparisons.

But ultimately, dont shop at HN

Good site, cheers for that. While i am shocked at the price range, i am limited in that i don't wish to buy online or phone order, hence i am limited to buying from a major store of some sort. I only need a new card just for games like SCPT, so i hope it's worth it. The search continues...

 

[nonchalance]

Yawn. I forgot global sales figures started at Seattle and ended in New York.

A: Learn to read.
B: Pay attention.
C: Open up that sphincter you call a mind.

 

[Portia]

Saw it in Harvey Norman just now - it looks pretty good, but from what I saw its a better looking Quake. Which I guess is exactly what it is.

FPS players, please buy it so that the engine makes enough money that it gets used for games that I would like to play. Cheers.

 

[Pablo Forlàn]

A: Learn to read.
B: Pay attention.
C: Open up that sphincter you call a mind.

Oh the irony, you FPS lover you.

 

[ClintEastwood]

FPS players, please buy it so that the engine makes enough money that it gets used for games that I would like to play. Cheers.

Doom 3 will make John "Ferrari" Carmack and buddies just pots and pots and pots of cash. No problem there. What kind of games do you like?

.

 

[Portia]

I like my excessive violence in the third person - Madden or GTA.

 

[nonchalance]

Oh the irony, you FPS lover you.

I'll play games from any genre, as long as they're good - but FPS games are probably less likely to get a spin than most.

Are you planning on arguing your point, or don't you have a point left?

 

[Pablo Forlàn]

I'll play games from any genre, as long as they're good - but FPS games are probably less likely to get a spin than most.

Are you planning on arguing your point, or don't you have a point left?

You've agreed with me. Case closed.

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