Doug Hawkins on MTR

[Hirdman]

This astounds me, why do we have to blindly back the club and believe every word they spout?

If you truly love something you have care enough about it to question it when something doesn't seem right.

This is not the US goverment "you're either with us or against us".

Spot on. Its a game of passion, pride and heart not mindless fellowship.

 

[footyfreak]

So remind me how many premierships we've won since Doug left the club?

He is entitled to his opinion and I like the fact that he calls it as he sees it. There is something very wrong with all of this and it stinks to high hell.

I can't fathom how it's come to this and how poorly it's been managed.

Smorgan spoke about team above all else and group unity, well its becoming apparent that it is far from the truth.

If a group of players can be that distracted by one bloke and subsequently bring about his expulsion then I have very little confidence in the group as a whole.

The fact ofthe matter is that we've only won 2 of our last 12 encounters against teams around the mark, that's where I look for leadership and cannot see it anywhere.

Wow!!! I thought who has written this very balanced post and i see it is my old mate Dog!

Good post mate, totally agree with your sentiments.

 

[ReservoirDog]

So remind me how many premierships we've won since Doug left the club?

He is entitled to his opinion and I like the fact that he calls it as he sees it. There is something very wrong with all of this and it stinks to high hell.

I can't fathom how it's come to this and how poorly it's been managed.

Smorgan spoke about team above all else and group unity, well its becoming apparent that it is far from the truth.

If a group of players can be that distracted by one bloke and subsequently bring about his expulsion then I have very little confidence in the group as a whole.

The fact ofthe matter is that we've only won 2 of our last 12 encounters against teams around the mark, that's where I look for leadership and cannot see it anywhere.

Agree wholeheartedly with these comments. This group has failed every time when the heat is on, and it seems some noses were out of joint right from the time Aker joined us.

 

[Spectre]

He is sneering at one the greatest players to don a footscray jumper. Attacking Dougie for daring to stick up for another man who is currently having a very hard time. Un**believeable pal. The poster deserved the personal abuse. He dishes out hateful shit but doesnt want any back?

Secondly, on another thread, when i dared express an opinion he didn't agree with he told me to eff off & support another club. Childish fool.

Happy now?

Interesting how TBFB did not stick up for your rights not to get personally abused in that thread when your opinion differed from his. Strange for such a balanced character.

SOS, the only reason you're building a shrine to dogupya and not to me is because he typed it first. Agree 100%, nothing ever improved by mindless sycophantic behaviour. Pity that so few people actually want to think for themselves.

 

[Bodicifer]

Let's face it, Dancin' Dougy was a club legend but he isn't the brightest spark in the night sky.

 

[pistol17]

Sorry to butt in here guys but i think your club made the right move.

There is a reason why this bloke was SACKED by 2 AFL Clubs.

Now get on with the business of winning a bloody FLAG (before the tigers window opens)

Just a clarification, Aker wasn't "SACKED" by 2 AFL Clubs. He actually left Brisbane in 2006 via a trade.

As stated by Aker/Browny on the Footy Show last night.

I know it's not my place to comment on another club but watching your CEO last night it was like watching a Politician get grilled, it didn't matter what the question was the same repetitive answer was used - "When trust breaks down...........etc"

Just screams on something dodgy. Aker would be the first one to put his hand up and say yes I f**ked up.

I'd love to know what the uncontracted player is thinking right now, wouldnt take long for the head honchos to figure out who is out of contract - look for him to be the next guy out the front of the group. (Agree with Sam Newman on that one).

Anyway, thanks guys - I dont mean to stir anything. Good luck on Sunday, my tip is you will win comfortably.

Cheers.

 

[Ando727]

It's my biggest gripe when it comes to football supporters, Cap.

'Oh, you have to support the club, you need to shut up and just trust the club, don't question anything or you can f*** off as well'.

What a load of pig swill

Anyone who truly cares and loves something so much has to have the courage to question it.

To not question it, to not hold the club to account tells me that you actually don't care about the club!

Dogupya, much respect.

I have always been a closet Dogs supporter, but I'm really shocked at how this has been handled by the club. I totally agree that falling into line because it's your club is a terrible state to be in. Strong organisations must be challenged, questioned and accountable so that they retain their values.

This has been a debacle, but I really hope you guys can move forward in a positive way from this.

 

[Waverley73]

It is actually really good to see some Doggies supporters actually think for themselves and not be happy with how their club handled this. For the rest - keep towing the party line and paying your membership without question. At least there are some supporters starting to realise that their club has made a complete hash of this. PR nightmare for a club that needs the exact opposite (Rose et al have worked their arses off during the last 5 or so years to get corporates etc on board - this sort of thing wont help).

 

[Grechy]

It is actually really good to see some Doggies supporters actually think for themselves and not be happy with how their club handled this. For the rest - keep towing the party line and paying your membership without question. At least there are some supporters starting to realise that their club has made a complete hash of this. PR nightmare for a club that needs the exact opposite (Rose et al have worked their arses off during the last 5 or so years to get corporates etc on board - this sort of thing wont help).

However the Bulldogs handled it the way Jason Akermanis is being put on a pedestal now is a joke. The bloke is a dead set snake. The players were clearly not happy with his actions.

 

[nate drake]

Just a clarification, Aker wasn't "SACKED" by 2 AFL Clubs. He actually left Brisbane in 2006 via a trade.

As stated by Aker/Browny on the Footy Show last night.

I know it's not my place to comment on another club but watching your CEO last night it was like watching a Politician get grilled, it didn't matter what the question was the same repetitive answer was used - "When trust breaks down...........etc"

Just screams on something dodgy. Aker would be the first one to put his hand up and say yes I f**ked up.

I'd love to know what the uncontracted player is thinking right now, wouldnt take long for the head honchos to figure out who is out of contract - look for him to be the next guy out the front of the group. (Agree with Sam Newman on that one).

Anyway, thanks guys - I dont mean to stir anything. Good luck on Sunday, my tip is you will win comfortably.

Cheers.

It's this line and ones like it that have made me laugh over the last couple of days. What the **** would you base that on? Certainly not all evidence to the contrary.

 

[Waverley73]

However the Bulldogs handled it the way Jason Akermanis is being put on a pedestal now is a joke. The bloke is a dead set snake. The players were clearly not happy with his actions.

Yeah, so what? There are people I work with I'm not always happy with but it doesn't mean I can just sack them so I don't have to deal with them anymore. I say toughen up and work together to win a premiership - not run to the coach and president saying they want to get rid of a player. Weak.

 

[nate drake]

Yeah, so what? There are people I work with I'm not always happy with but it doesn't mean I can just sack them so I don't have to deal with them anymore. I say toughen up and work together to win a premiership - not run to the coach and president saying they want to get rid of a player. Weak.

His form didn't warrant a spot in the team. What's the difference between this and having his career fade out in the two's? He was a liability in the team because he'd become as slow as an old moll.

But oh wait, we should do what's best for other clubs' supporters, right? What a traversty this must be for you. You have my sincere condolences.

 

[dogupya]

Yeah, so what? There are people I work with I'm not always happy with but it doesn't mean I can just sack them so I don't have to deal with them anymore. I say toughen up and work together to win a premiership - not run to the coach and president saying they want to get rid of a player. Weak.

And if you do end up sacking him, going on national TV and turning the football club into the Silvers Circus is not a good look.

Cammpbell Rose is a brilliant man, he, nor our club for that matter, should have ever agreed to this PR nightmare.

 

[Waverley73]

His form didn't warrant a spot in the team. What's the difference between this and having his career fade out in the two's? He was a liability in the team because he'd become as slow as an old moll.

But oh wait, we should do what's best for other clubs' supporters, right? What a traversty this must be for you. You have my sincere condolences.

So you've got nothing and come back with the throw-away lines. His form in the 2's was enough to get back but there are other reasons. Continue to ignore the fact but your club has handled this very poorly. Are you saying he got sacked because of poor form? That wasn't the official reason your club gave. Lack of trust was the reason. Pretty funny that his omission from the game a few weeks ago was leaked to the media by your club - the exact same lack of trust that Akermanis was accused of..

 

[Waverley73]

And if you do end up sacking him, going on national TV and turning the football club into the Silvers Circus is not a good look.

Cammpbell Rose is a brilliant man, he, nor our club for that matter, should have ever agreed to this PR nightmare.

Rose is one of the best administrators in the business, there is no doubt about that. Smorgon didn't want to go on and must of asked him to do it. Would of been better to stay away and answer on your terms but can't go back and change that now.

There are still some points to be addressed by your club so will be interesting if Smorgon fronts up at some stage to answer them - such as why are previous indiscresions (that have been supposedly wiped clean) forming part of the official reason he was sacked.

 

[Grechy]

Yeah, so what? There are people I work with I'm not always happy with but it doesn't mean I can just sack them so I don't have to deal with them anymore. I say toughen up and work together to win a premiership - not run to the coach and president saying they want to get rid of a player. Weak.

I don’t agree with how the Bulldogs handled it but I also think they set a precedent. One player is never bigger than the Footy club. You develop a culture at your club players are expected to adhere to. What makes Jason Akermanis any different?

Clearly he was bringing negative attention to the club and for a player struggling to get into the seniors it isn’t good enough. Bottom line is he couldn’t shut his mouth. The club is always bigger than any individual and Jason Akermanis never understood this concept once during his career. By stating what he does outside the club does not matter just reflects how backwards the man really is. He really disgraced himself on the footy show last night.

 

[blazerpr]

Yeah, so what? There are people I work with I'm not always happy with but it doesn't mean I can just sack them so I don't have to deal with them anymore. I say toughen up and work together to win a premiership - not run to the coach and president saying they want to get rid of a player. Weak.

I disagre dude, if there is a person at work that is a jackass and distrupts the workplace he will be most likely be given verbal warning after that writen warnings then the ass its a process. When aker disrespected bubba ,who is a club champion and aker has been in the club 2 min he lost me.

 

[Bulldog1954]

Yeah, so what? There are people I work with I'm not always happy with but it doesn't mean I can just sack them so I don't have to deal with them anymore. I say toughen up and work together to win a premiership - not run to the coach and president saying they want to get rid of a player. Weak.

What if the person you work with refused to work together? What if the person was having a negative effect on the rest of the organization outweighing any positive impact?

It amazes that so many people think the club just got rid of him for nothing. Why would they? Why would the club make things harder for themselves? Why would they throw away the possibility that Aker could help us win a flag? To me it's obvious, they got rid of Aker because they think the negatives he brings to the club (his selfishness primarily) outweigh any positives he brings.

 

[minters]

So you've got nothing and come back with the throw-away lines. His form in the 2's was enough to get back but there are other reasons. Continue to ignore the fact but your club has handled this very poorly. Are you saying he got sacked because of poor form? That wasn't the official reason your club gave. Lack of trust was the reason. Pretty funny that his omission from the game a few weeks ago was leaked to the media by your club - the exact same lack of trust that Akermanis was accused of..

Let's face it. Aker wasn't happy with the way HE was treated and in particular the forum in which his indiscretions were discussed with his team mates. Well let's see, it was the same forum utilised by other teams, in fact it was confirmed that both Hawthorn and GEELONG used this type of forum to discuss player behaviours and indiscretions. Perhaps the same forum that the players used when discussing Stoke's indiscretion at the beginning of the season? I didn't see him run to the media to discuss the way he was treated... You see this was all about Aker and the way he felt. Well what about the way Cooney felt when Sam gave him the 3rd degree on the footy show a few weeks ago? How do you think he felt when he was grilled by a media person in front of a national audience about something that was meant to be confidential and within the club? Aker told Sam, at that lunch of four MTR people, and he also knew that Sam was going to use it at the footy show... Did he care how Coons would feel about it? Of course not, because it's all about Aker, not the team.

The way this has panned out is all Akers emotional b.....it. That's all that it is. It's funny how the Geelong ex-premiership capt tonight on Ch 7 commented that the way the Doggies handled it was fantastic. Surely he has been part of a successful culture that had the encouraged the same mindsets and probably would've done exactly the same ....

The club handled it perfectly and Rose was fantastic. I am a passionate member (for 15 years), and my message to the club (adminstrators, presidents, coaching staff, etc), is that if you need to sack half of the bloody team to weed out those impediments to success then do so... If it means it will win us a flag, well then do it tomorrow....


WOOF WOOF!!!

 

[SPower]

Just a clarification, Aker wasn't "SACKED" by 2 AFL Clubs. He actually left Brisbane in 2006 via a trade.

As stated by Aker/Browny on the Footy Show last night.

I know it's not my place to comment on another club but watching your CEO last night it was like watching a Politician get grilled, it didn't matter what the question was the same repetitive answer was used - "When trust breaks down...........etc"

Just screams on something dodgy. Aker would be the first one to put his hand up and say yes I f**ked up.

I'd love to know what the uncontracted player is thinking right now, wouldnt take long for the head honchos to figure out who is out of contract - look for him to be the next guy out the front of the group. (Agree with Sam Newman on that one).

Anyway, thanks guys - I dont mean to stir anything. Good luck on Sunday, my tip is you will win comfortably.

Cheers.

Asked Aker did he admit to Braun he was Wrong!!!

 

[LondonBulldog]

Doug was a true champion and is allowed his opinion.

For everyone bagging his intelligence.

Dont you remember he co hosted live and kicking on tv and also had a drive time radio show called the dougie and dunstall show. Not bad in his time. People more on though yet supporters should not attack him.

 

[Gooka]

People will remain divided as there aren't really many actual 'facts' kicking around. Aker has done a good job of getting sympathy by calling the club out to say exactly what he's done.

On the surface it looks like he's been harshly done by - but then when you reflect for a moment and consider how similar this is to his previous club, you have to think that maybe he deserved it.

I don't think the club has handled this well. I don't think there are any winners out of this - the club doesn't look great, and Jason has had his career abruptly ended.

Dougie has his opinion and is entitled to share it. He's a passionate doggies man with no hidden agenda. His opinion is just that though, an opion - like mine, and any other passionate doggies fans on this board.

 

[FrediKanoute]

This astounds me, why do we have to blindly back the club and believe every word they spout?

If you truly love something you have care enough about it to question it when something doesn't seem right.

This is not the US goverment "you're either with us or against us".

Its not about blindly backing the club....its about weighing the evidence.

You have a collective group of people, the club, many of who are eyewitnesses to Aker's beahviour stating that he breached trust.

Opposing this you have Aker, supported by Sam Newman and Steve Price suggesting that there is something rotten with the way it was all handled.

Now you could believe that there was a conspiracy to oust Aker and that certain players had it in for him from day 1 and that the result of the meetings were a foregone conclusion......

Alternatively you could consider who is sprouting the crap that there was a conspiracy and consign it to the heap of sh*t that typically emantes from these individuals and conclude that the club did the right thing......that's what I have done.

 

[Bulldog Joe]

Its not about blindly backing the club....its about weighing the evidence.

You have a collective group of people, the club, many of who are eyewitnesses to Aker's beahviour stating that he breached trust.

Opposing this you have Aker, supported by Sam Newman and Steve Price suggesting that there is something rotten with the way it was all handled.

Now you could believe that there was a conspiracy to oust Aker and that certain players had it in for him from day 1 and that the result of the meetings were a foregone conclusion......

Alternatively you could consider who is sprouting the crap that there was a conspiracy and consign it to the heap of sh*t that typically emantes from these individuals and conclude that the club did the right thing......that's what I have done.

Expressed very well Fredi

 

[dogupya]

Its not about blindly backing the club....its about weighing the evidence.

You have a collective group of people, the club, many of who are eyewitnesses to Aker's beahviour stating that he breached trust.

Opposing this you have Aker, supported by Sam Newman and Steve Price suggesting that there is something rotten with the way it was all handled.

Now you could believe that there was a conspiracy to oust Aker and that certain players had it in for him from day 1 and that the result of the meetings were a foregone conclusion......

Alternatively you could consider who is sprouting the crap that there was a conspiracy and consign it to the heap of sh*t that typically emantes from these individuals and conclude that the club did the right thing......that's what I have done.

It's not a question of who I believe, it's a question of what our club actually stands for?

My biggest gripe is about leadership, you wanna come out out and stand for something, well now you've got nowhere and it's time that onfield leadership translates to more than 2 wins in our last 12 encounters with teams around the mark.